Final Grade: Craig Anderson
by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jun 14, 2011 7:00 AM MDT
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Final Grade: D
Midseason Grade: C+
Last Year: A
Position: Goalie
Vitals: 6'2" / 180 / 30 / Shoots L
Drafted by Calgary 3rd round of 1999 draft and Chicago, 3rd round (73rd) of 2001 draft.
Joined Avalanche: Signed as a free agent, July 1, 2009
MHH Nicknames: Andy, Mr. Anderson
Avs with Anderson in the starting lineup: 15-15-3 (.500 pt%), 2.81 GF 3.27 GA
Ice Time: 33 games started, 13 games as backup
Career Highlights: Anderson is now two wins away from 100 in his career
Report: To me, this pretty much boils down to the following. Anderson played 110 games with the Avalanche (including playoffs). Those splits are as follows:
1st 55 games 32-17-5 2.39 .923 6 SO
2nd 55 games 21-27-5 3.27 .901 2 SO
So, which one was the anomaly - the brilliant first half of his tenure or the terrible second half of his tenure? Well, his career stats are almost right in the middle of that: 2.78 / .913, which leads us to think that the correct answer may be "both". Yeah, he wasn't playing behind the greatest defense of all time, but it wasn't exactly keystone cops back there either. Simply put, Andy was just not very good this year. Was it a fluke...or a closer indication to his talent level than we thought?
Fun Fact: There have been 17 Anderson's to play in the NHL. We think.
The Craig Anderson Drinking Game: Invite some ice girls over Drunk potential: Who cares?
What We Said Last Year: Could Andy have done anything more this season? I don't know that he could have. He accomplished all he could, and more, with what he was dealt. In his inaugural season as a starter he was his team's best and most consistent player and he was the team's MVP. That being said, I feel like we have to leave some minuscule room for some improvement. Maybe a Vezina nomination next year? "A" is for Andy!
2010 Cap Hit: $1,812,500
2011 Status: Signed a 4-year deal for $3,187,500 per year with Ottawa
Outlook for Next Season: There are all sorts of conspiracy theories about Anderson's rapid descent and quick departure. He was upset about the contract talks, he was playing badly on purpose to get dealt, someone was...yeah, we're not reprinting that last one. None of that really matters. By all accounts, the yearly salary wasn't an issue for either side, but Anderson wanted the security of more years and the Avalanche balked. In the end, the "why" doesn't really matter. What does matter is that $12 million is a lot to guarantee a 30-year old goalie with one really good season as a starter under his belt. He may just be the next Tim Thomas...and he may not be. That was one hell of a year, Mr Anderson, and we'll always look back fondly on that 51-save shutout in the playoffs. And conspiracy nuts in Colorado will be posting wild shit about you for years, especially if you continue to tear the roof off in Ottawa. We're going to have to see that to believe it, though. Right now, we feel that it was a good move for GM Greg Sherman to stick to his guns on that extension.
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I think Andy, behind a decent defense, and a coach from the Detroit system (which they are getting in Ottawa) will…not thrive…but will be better than anything the Avs will have next year. I just don’t see the Avs with anything more than another goalie on the reclamation project list.
That said, Andy had an awful year. He deserves the hate he got (maybe not on the conspiracy level) for his game play.
And if that final “won’t talk about it” rumor is true (which is doubtful)…that might explain a few things. But again, I don’t think it’s even close to true…though there were definitely some locker-room issues on this team
I’m still an Andy fan, and that gives me a team in an “easier to watch time zone” to watch.
I would still like to know the whole truth of what went on this year, as would everyone I suspect
The doctor's say he's got a 50/50 chance of living...though there's only a 10% chance of that. - The Naked Gun
Aside from his bad body language, horrible rebound control, and other team’s being in his head causing him to grip his stick too tightly, I think his performance this season was about what I expected going into the year.
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by Mike @ MHH on Jun 14, 2011 7:39 AM MDT reply actions 5 recs
He was right up there with the other two goalies we had…the ones that didn’t have those problems. Scary thing is, he was still 2nd on the team in wins, just 2 behind Budaj in 12 less Avalanche appearances. Which shows you how “good” the D/goaltending was this year. Ouch
The doctor's say he's got a 50/50 chance of living...though there's only a 10% chance of that. - The Naked Gun
Which shows you how "good" the D/goaltending was this year.
Seriously, why doesn’t the truth of this sentiment wake the Avalanche brass up and cause them to get a FT goalie coach? It’s like shooting yourself in the foot. Does anyone know what other teams (if any) only use a PT coach.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 14, 2011 7:48 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Most teams seem to have a PT guy, but you actually HEAR about them working with the goalie when they are in a bad stretch. I had to google the Avs PT guy, because the only one I kept hearing about was Thibault from LAST year.
Theodore played better when his “guy” was here. Andy with Thibault last year. Didn’t Roy have his own “guy” too? The coach helps the player. It’s not rocket science
The doctor's say he's got a 50/50 chance of living...though there's only a 10% chance of that. - The Naked Gun
Another issue that I think Sakic mind have a hand in remedying.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
I hope so, but someone has to open the checkbook…I don’t think Sakic will have that power
The doctor's say he's got a 50/50 chance of living...though there's only a 10% chance of that. - The Naked Gun
But he will have the persuasive ability to make Sherman do it.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
I’m not sure the checkbook is in Sherm’s hands either. He’s got to convince Kroenke Jr.
Just a Colorado girl in Montana who <3s the Avs.
Correct
The doctor's say he's got a 50/50 chance of living...though there's only a 10% chance of that. - The Naked Gun
Sakic will have a lot of power. Maybe not this season, but little by little he will get his way. I believe in Sakic.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
And when he’s done we shall embalm him with his equipment behind the plexiglass.
I'll keep this brief.
They have it ready don’t they? They just need the body
The doctor's say he's got a 50/50 chance of living...though there's only a 10% chance of that. - The Naked Gun
Yes! Yes!
Then have glorious parade through parking lot of Pepsi Center!
2010-2011 Colorado Avalanche: Hugging the cap floor and waiting on their revenue share, because hey, billionaires need welfare too!
Yes, Roy had his own guy… and from his Dad’s book it sounded like the guy was just as meticulous as Roy.
It's all about the A-
by Sandie Gauthier on Jun 14, 2011 9:20 AM MDT up reply actions
Well other than the results and how he looked doing it, he was great.
Available for a 3rd round pick.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jun 14, 2011 10:26 AM MDT up reply actions
F
F stands for “Fuck you for fucking breaking my heart”.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
by c6hor8 on Jun 14, 2011 7:55 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Have I ever shown a tendency to share whores? I am whoreder; not a pimp.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
by c6hor8 on Jun 14, 2011 8:03 AM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
I believe “Whoreder” is a new show on the Bravo network. Pretty good too.
Oh, and rec’ed for creating a bitchin new word.
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Those splits don’t tell the story here. Here is the split I think most Avs are familiar with.
In 33 games for the Avs, Andy had a 3.28 GA and a .897 save %.
In 18 games for Ottawa, Andy had a 2.05 GA and a .939 save %.
In those 33 games with the Avs Andy faced an average of 29 shots a game.
In those 18 games with Ottawa Andy faced an average of ….. 32.7 shots a game.
But I don’t need statistics to tell me that Andy played uninspired hockey for the Avalanche and then played inspired hockey for Ottawa. Screw him.
I'll keep this brief.
by Dario on Jun 14, 2011 8:03 AM MDT reply actions 4 recs
This is brilliant and it falls in the huge category of Things I Did Not Know. I don’t remember, though – does shot quality count or not? Can’t keep up with the latest thoughts from the Corsiatti on this.
Anyone who defends Anderson will also have to defend this. I won’t be a fan of Anderson going forward; in fact, just the opposite. I’ll actively root against him.
Mr. Fuji, the devious ways that you put in my mind will come to use.
by Dan Winkler on Jun 14, 2011 10:27 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Anyone who defends Anderson will also have to defend this.
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Avalanche Shutouts are a powerful Aphrodisiac
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Jun 14, 2011 10:32 AM MDT up reply actions
Any individual player statistic in hockey is going to have a small sample size. Players’ contracts get analyzed using sample sizes like this and even smaller.
by MalachiConstant on Jun 14, 2011 10:44 AM MDT up reply actions
Look, we’ve had the debate a ton of times and I’m not going to get into it again. As an Anderson “defender” my only point has ever been that no one really knows diddly-fuck about Anderson’s mood, or body language or any of that pop-psychology shit. All we know is he played poorly in Colorado, and he played well when shipped out. We don’t know why he didn’t play well and we’ve all spent the better part of a season emulating mood rings trying to figure it out.
The stats Dario post above that Dan said we would “have to defend” are easily defensible in the context of my argument above: Small sample size.
Point: in 15 games last (09-10) season Budaj posted a .917 save percentage, although his career average is .901. Small sample size
Avalanche Shutouts are a powerful Aphrodisiac
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Jun 14, 2011 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions
I agree that all we know from Dario’s post is this:
All we know is he played poorly in Colorado, and he played well when shipped out.
However, as far as your counter example goes, a 0.16 difference in save percentage is slightly less statistically significant that a difference in save percentage of 0.42.
by MalachiConstant on Jun 14, 2011 11:07 AM MDT up reply actions
I was also comparing a career average. I bet I can find a 39-game sample where Budaj had an even lower save percentage, and a 17 game sample where he had a higher one., thus approaching that .42 difference.
(I’m not going to because it’s a lot of research for something inconsequential, but I’d start with Budaj’s run at the end of ’07-08)
Avalanche Shutouts are a powerful Aphrodisiac
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Jun 14, 2011 11:10 AM MDT up reply actions
Coincidentally, the difference between the .897 save percentage and Andy’s career save percentage (including that 33 game stretch) is also 0.16.
0.913 – 0.897
by MalachiConstant on Jun 14, 2011 11:34 AM MDT up reply actions
I love stats but sometimes you just gotta step back and think about what is going on to drive the numbers.
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by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Jun 14, 2011 5:04 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
That’s your defense? Look, it’s not like these two splits were independent of each other – they happened in the same season, pretty much back-to-back. It’s not like Dario broke it out into random time frames to make the argument look good. He didn’t compare Anderson’s worst 10-game stretch to his best 10-game stretch. It’s pretty simple – games with Colorado versus games with Ottawa. And it’s not like the teams were radically different – they were both really shitty and ended up within a few points of each other.
It’s the bigger issue, Jibs, that Anderson shit the bed here, and then played well with Ottawa. The only comments about mood or pop psychology that I gave any thought to were the well-publicized comments from the Goalie Guild.
Mr. Fuji, the devious ways that you put in my mind will come to use.
by Dan Winkler on Jun 14, 2011 11:37 AM MDT up reply actions
It’s the bigger issue, Jibs, that Anderson shit the bed here, and then played well with Ottawa
Agree. I don’t think there was ever any disagreement ever on this. It’s always been clear he was pretty shitty this year and played light years better when he went to Ottawa.
There’s never been an argument about that.
Avalanche Shutouts are a powerful Aphrodisiac
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Jun 14, 2011 12:13 PM MDT up reply actions
The only pop psychology I believe we need to fully understand with Anderson is Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs, which states that a man must secure food, water, shelter and ice girls to survive in a specific area.
4th biggest pessimist of MHH.
"There's always next season." -- Jimmy Howard on not winning the Calder Trophy.
Toy yourself or her?
Avalanche Shutouts are a powerful Aphrodisiac
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Jun 14, 2011 12:47 PM MDT up reply actions
Seems kind of a private question there, Jibs.
Personally, knowing that Dario toyed anyone is TMI. I don’t need to know the specifics.
2010-2011 Colorado Avalanche: Hugging the cap floor and waiting on their revenue share, because hey, billionaires need welfare too!
by Hopfenkopf on Jun 14, 2011 12:48 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
holy crap that’s theworstmost telling typo ever.
-Sigmund Freud
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In Rick Pracey we trust
by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 14, 2011 1:07 PM MDT up reply actions
TWSS TWSS TWSS TWSS TWSS TWSS TWSS and so on.
by Pinchy The Lobster on Jun 14, 2011 3:16 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I've said it before.....
Andy is a great goalie, so long as you don’t place expectations on him. In Florida, he was backing up Vokoun on a team that was expected to succeed. he then came to the Avs where again, after The Season That Shall Never Not Be Mention Part I, we had no expectations to succeed. When we shocked everyone with success, the hockey world pulled a Mia Culpa (spl???) and gave us expectations of a playoff spot and Andy excelling again in a contract year where he would make the mad monnies…. And now he’d in Ottawa, where…. guess what? They have no expectations of success either.
When I played sports in my younger days, we were a stacked team who dominated everyone. Our coach made us work like we were dogs. We would run laps for every play we screwed up. Why? Because our coach told us every game that while getting to #1 is a great feeling, staying #1 is what truely matters and what it means to be a champion and excel at your sport/craft/life.
I wish Andy well, I really do… that performance against San Jose was epic. But he has to remember: rising up is one thing, but staying there is what makes good goalies great. The hockey world is littered with goalies who climbed the mountain but could never stay there.
Yeah, Avs fans prop one of those up every single year. His last name rhymes with Gouda…
But on the whole I agree
The doctor's say he's got a 50/50 chance of living...though there's only a 10% chance of that. - The Naked Gun
Gouda rhymes with Budaj? Really? I must have been mispronouncing one of those words all these years.
Mr. Fuji, the devious ways that you put in my mind will come to use.
by Dan Winkler on Jun 14, 2011 10:24 AM MDT up reply actions
I was thinking the same thing. To the point I couldn’t figure out who he was talking about.
Avalanche Shutouts are a powerful Aphrodisiac
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Jun 14, 2011 10:35 AM MDT up reply actions
He does kind of have a Buddha-like temperament to him
by MalachiConstant on Jun 14, 2011 10:50 AM MDT up reply actions
Same here.
aka Beachie (Look, Ma, I've gone legit!)
In Rick Pracey we trust
by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 14, 2011 1:07 PM MDT up reply actions
Mea Culpa
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
No... I meant Mia
It’s Mea’s sister Mia…. remember the Culpa triplets Mea, Mia, and Mya?
They were always apologizing for everything…… weird chicks there
God damnit, Andy.
I’m not sure there’s ever been a time in Avs history that saddened me quite as much as the end of the Anderson era. Maybe it was that I was in the building for Game 3 and that was one of my all-time favorite sports memories and the way 19,000 people were falling more in love with the guy as the shot total continued to climb and it was just so fucking Disney movie that it’s hard to believe it happened, especially knowing how it turned out. Maybe it was that Roy was my favorite of the Holy Trinity and I’ve so desperately wanted another goaltender who could take a game by its throat and say, “Fuck you we are NOT LOSING THIS” and Anderson had that quality in him at times. Maybe it was that even in training camp last season we just knew something was wrong with him. Something felt different. Then the season started and something looked different. It was all bad. It hurt to watch. It was a slow death and the dagger just kept twisting the more the saga went on and then we got Brian Elliott in his place and watched him give up goal after goal after goal and Andy was making another city fall for him. That was my goalie, man. Not yours, stupid Senators fans (sorry, Ryan Classic). Now he’s got what he wants and we’ve got Brian Elliott and a question mark. God damnit, Andy. God damnit.
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by A.J. Haefele on Jun 14, 2011 8:24 AM MDT reply actions 8 recs
I will agree with this. The whole thing makes me incredibly sad. It’s a pure sports tragedy.
(By pure sports I mean simply what happened on the ice and the relationship between a player and fans, management etc. Obviously something like Luc Bourdon or Alexei Cherepov is far more tragic, especially from a humanity perspective.)
Avalanche Shutouts are a powerful Aphrodisiac
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Jun 14, 2011 8:45 AM MDT up reply actions
Jibblescribbits: Where caveats go to die.
Seriously though, I agree.
If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!
I don’t want people thinking that I think a sports star’s soured relationship rivals death.
Avalanche Shutouts are a powerful Aphrodisiac
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Jun 14, 2011 9:15 AM MDT up reply actions
Yeah. That would make you a jerk. Now keep it down because you’re interrupting the Lebron coverage. ESPN is just about to bring in an another expert to analyze his latest tweet with a panel of celebrity judges, one of which lived in Cleveland for two years in the early 1990s, so he has a special perspective on everything.
4th biggest pessimist of MHH.
"There's always next season." -- Jimmy Howard on not winning the Calder Trophy.
ESPN is now the TMZ of sports. They just continue to shove themselves into a black hole of relevance
The doctor's say he's got a 50/50 chance of living...though there's only a 10% chance of that. - The Naked Gun
Is that LeBron's new nickname?
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
Mile High Hockey : Where B- is different than C+
by A.J. Haefele on Jun 14, 2011 9:52 AM MDT up reply actions
It’s never a feeling of anger when I think back on Andy, because when you love someone so much, part of that never goes away. I just that sadness, with a tinge of regret even though I could never do anything more to help. Even more so, it’s disbelief at how things could change so quickly, and how he’s actually never coming back (I’ve almost accepted this). The feeling of anger only arises watching Brian Elliott.
Yip, Cumiskey, and a 7th
by Pacifier Night on Jun 14, 2011 9:07 AM MDT up reply actions
We'll always have Game 3, man.
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by Muzia on Jun 14, 2011 12:26 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
<3
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
Mile High Hockey : Where B- is different than C+
by A.J. Haefele on Jun 14, 2011 2:53 PM MDT up reply actions
Goldbricker.
I have no use for anyone that hangs their team out to dry for selfish reasons. I can’t believe I shook this PoS’s hand.
Because that’s what happened, exactly. You know it all…new topic!
The doctor's say he's got a 50/50 chance of living...though there's only a 10% chance of that. - The Naked Gun
You ever played hockey? I have and I don’t know it all, but I know what I was watching there. Do you think he just woke up in Ottawa and was endowed with some new found talent? I tried to hold judgement for a while in case just pure inspiration pumped him up for a few games, but he had the same stats as Thomas for the remainder of the season. Find some other Chicago boy to defend…
Life of a Goalie
up and down like a coaster
Certainty to none.
Avalanche Shutouts are a powerful Aphrodisiac
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Jun 14, 2011 7:01 PM MDT up reply actions
OK, I see being rational is not in the cards, so you just stick to what you “know” happened, and never shake hands with an athlete again, because god forbid one get traded and you end up hating him on pure speculation and innuendo
The doctor's say he's got a 50/50 chance of living...though there's only a 10% chance of that. - The Naked Gun
Worst. Haiku. Ever
Avalanche Shutouts are a powerful Aphrodisiac
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Jun 15, 2011 6:44 AM MDT up reply actions
Sorry Jibs, my bad
My anger lust took over
So please forgive me
The doctor's say he's got a 50/50 chance of living...though there's only a 10% chance of that. - The Naked Gun
Anger lust. Sounds like a promising Date Night theme.
If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!
Hardly. Buy him a dress and wig and snuggle up. Incidentally, performance/stats does not = innuendo ;-)
OK, you provide me with some tangible, reliable and witnessed FACTS that Andy shit the bed on purpose to hang the Avs out to dry…and I’ll apologize.
Otherwise you are just spouting off about things on which you have no clue.
Also this was my quote from above (which you probably failed to read):
That said, Andy had an awful year. He deserves the hate he got (maybe not on the conspiracy level) for his game play
So I’m not defending his play. I happen to know he is a nice guy off the ice, and in my opinion (like your “shit the bed” opinion) he didn’t play like shit on purpose to get traded to Ottawa and kill the Avs momentum from last year.
The doctor's say he's got a 50/50 chance of living...though there's only a 10% chance of that. - The Naked Gun
There is a subtle difference between intentionally playing to lose and simply not showing up because you’re disgruntled with poor management (I suggest the latter, so maybe I was a little harsh). I certainly think he was mismanaged; but as a professional, your first loyalty is to your team. I’ve been there, and that I do know.
You ever played hockey?
To think he hasn’t is a bad assumption to make on a hockey site, dude. There are a lot of us at MHH who have played. In fact, there are quite a few goalies that hang out in these here parts. One is even a goalie coach (Paging Mike@MHH. Mike@MHH, please pick up the white courtesy phone.) And if Mike reads this
I have no use for anyone that hangs their team out to dry for selfish reasons.
his head will probably explode as it’s the ultimate “making assertions based on pop psychology” statement, which he hates. Unless Anderson told you personally himself that he hung his team out to dry on purpose, you have no basis for that opinion.
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In Rick Pracey we trust
by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 15, 2011 7:48 AM MDT up reply actions
Mike says he is busy teaching kids how to stop the puck “unlike Robert Luongo in Boston” I believe was the exact phrase
The doctor's say he's got a 50/50 chance of living...though there's only a 10% chance of that. - The Naked Gun
Since my name was invoked like Beetlejuice on this one, I’ll throw my mask into my ring. Also, because the “I’ve played the game, hence I have some level of insight above that of mere peasants” retort is about as relevant as a porn star’s IQ.
I’ve summed my thoughts up on Anderson’s season and his departure to Ottawa in a previous extremely well-written post, but for bikefiend (who has a whopping 4 posts in his year + on the site) I’ll summarize. I think he was unprofessional. I don’t think he played his way out of Denver because doing that will only result in you going to a team in equal or worse condition 90% of the time. That’s career suicide, not a formula for success. Yes, some athletes have done that, but they’re morons. Nothing I’ve ever heard or read about Anderson leads me to believe he’s that stupid or that people he has as his advisers are that stupid. He played like crap for who-knows-why. The stats back that up. He played better in Ottawa. The stats back that up. And that, dear friends, is ALL the stats due. Drawing conclusions relating to his motivations, aspirations, and machinations from those stats is a loser’s game.
If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!
by Mike @ MHH on Jun 15, 2011 8:41 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Since my name was invoked like Beetlejuice on this one
Cheryl actually only said your name twice. You’ve got some splainin to do.
Avalanche Shutouts are a powerful Aphrodisiac
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Jun 15, 2011 9:12 AM MDT up reply actions
OK, I find it interesting that I’m being assailed for my opinion (albeit, a strongly expressed one) and apparent lack of credibility/credentials ("whopping 4 posts") on a blog site which the very premise of, is expressing an opinion. I had a little discussion following last season with Mr. Anderson in the airport and he is a nice guy; but as I said further up in this thread, a professional owes his loyalty to his team first…I believe he grossly and unforgivably failed that obligation. Not showing up to play is a choice, is selfish, and does leave your team hung out to dry. Secondly, to suggest that having played does not give you a little additional insight into the psyches of these warriors certainly lets the media off the hook; they can just hire a couple of well-spoken high-schoolers who desperately need a job and save a ton of cash. Finally, if the level of play/stats are no basis for speculating about the potential reasons for unprofessional play, might I suggest that neither that "well-written post" (and it was well-written) or this barb-trading blast of rhetoric would exist. Apparently, I should have been a bit weary that a little sarcasm was going raise the hackles on a few…thanks for the warm welcome.
There’s a lot of back history with the Andy defending / bashing around here. Andy is definitely a sensitive topic either way you look at it.
Welcome.
by MalachiConstant on Jun 15, 2011 11:26 AM MDT up reply actions
I still find it funny that you assume I have never played. I have played, and I have also covered the NHL on a professional level. And I still think you are wrong…
To each their own
The doctor's say he's got a 50/50 chance of living...though there's only a 10% chance of that. - The Naked Gun
On this board, this has been fought a hundread times, so I’ll give you a quick summary of chiavs (and my own) points, and you can go back and look for the full arguments. I’d start your search with the post above, and the comments, but second I would search with the word "fuckhole"":
a professional owes his loyalty to his team first…
So there’s never been anything serious in your personal life that may have affected your work? I’ve always wondered why athletes are expected to be robots and the fans that cheer them aren’t. (if, in fact anything off-ice did affect Andy’s game, which is still speculation).
Not showing up to play is a choice, is selfish, and does leave your team hung out to dry.
You seem to be implying he did this intentionally. All the evidence that he even didn’t show up is circumstantial, and to imply that it was intentional is an even bigger leap.
Secondly, to suggest that having played does not give you a little additional insight into the psyches of these warriors certainly lets the media off the hook
Not sure how it lets the media off the hook, but that’s two different points. But having played hockey gives you very very little into the psyche of a professional hockey player, or a professional athlete in general. In fact I don’t think it gives you much insight into the psyche of your teammates. Being their teammate gives you insight into their psyche. It’s your hobby, it’s a professional’s career. There’s a big big difference between hobbies and careers even if you love your job.
Apparently, I should have been a bit weary that a little sarcasm was going raise the hackles on a few
It wasn’t the sarcasm, it was the nastiness like:
You ever played hockey?
Find some other Chicago boy to defend…
Avalanche Shutouts are a powerful Aphrodisiac
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Jun 15, 2011 11:59 AM MDT up reply actions
My comment re: the stats was just that I don’t think you can form an opinion regarding "quitting on the team" or "forcing a trade" based on the stats. You need something anecdotal AT LEAST before you can let that enter into the discussion. The stats say that he was a bad goalie playing behind an extremely schizo team before the trade and for some reason a better goalie playing behind an equally atrocious team after the trade. If he was standing in the net and waving as pucks went by or getting out of the net ala Goldberg, then yes that evidence along with the stats would point to quitting. I just don’t think the uptick in production after the trade is a flashing indicator of purposeful tanking.
Honestly, I think we agree that he was mildly unprofessional at best and wildly amateurish at worst, it’s just that I don’t necessarily think it was anything more than that or behind the scenes stuff that drove him to that. I have a hard time buying into the purposeful crap performance.
I brought up the 4 posts because of the strongly worded opinion and your equally strongly worded retort to chi. Those two posts represent 50% of your contributions to this site in over a calendar year. I’d be remiss in my duties as a shit-disturber and troll detective if I didn’t point out the fact that it smelled funny to me. You’re as welcome to your opinion as anybody else on this site and your input is equally as valid, but the presentation came off as troll/baiting controversy and I commented about it. That’s it. I’m not taking sides or trying to validate/invalidate anyone’s world view or self-worth. I hope you enjoy MHH in the future.
If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!
Geez, Mike, that was very restrained and professional. Are you going to start using your real name too?
"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck" -Obi Wan Kenobi
I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?
Thanks Mike. And for the record everybody, I don’t think he intentionally tanked games. But I don’t think he came to WIN every night, obviously very important to a team psychology…and I don’t think that was the only impediment to this team’s psyche without getting into a whole new rant. I’ve made a pretty good living out of detecting and eliminating poor organizational and personal morale…believe this team still has some dragons to slay. Time will tell.
welcome to MHH, please wash your hands.
Available for a 3rd round pick.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jun 14, 2011 11:27 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just your hands?
You might want a shower….
And welcome….set phasers Sarcasm meter to maximum.
Datsyuk may have done it first, but he learned it from Peter Forsberg.
Thanks for everything Foppa!
Footer: We'll miss seeing you clear the riff raff off your lawn.
by Americanario on Jun 14, 2011 2:51 PM MDT up reply actions
$12 million is a lot to guarantee a 30-year old goalie with one-half really good season as a starter under his belt.
Fixed that fer ya.
Your logical buzzkillery is ruining my already shitty jokes.
The penis mightier?
The doctor's say he's got a 50/50 chance of living...though there's only a 10% chance of that. - The Naked Gun
I’ll take anal bum cover for 7,000
by Markopolo on Jun 14, 2011 12:52 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Um, wow.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
Dr. McNinja? I think I am changing my news name to that
The doctor's say he's got a 50/50 chance of living...though there's only a 10% chance of that. - The Naked Gun
I agree 10%.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
I mean, forget using my actual name…that’s what MHH is for, or something
The doctor's say he's got a 50/50 chance of living...though there's only a 10% chance of that. - The Naked Gun
No, it’s not. That’s what the super clicky, super elite group of “Staff Writers” do. I still think it’s weird to name your kid “U” if your last name is “Z” though.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
Last time I checked, there weren’t any AMERICAN surnames with digits in them either.
If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!
Yes, I can see it now!
By day, simple sportscaster and color-commentator for Altitude…. but by night (when there isn’t an Avalanche game going on, of course) a masked crime fighter, beating the miscreants of Denver to bits with his shoe and stating the obvious while doing it!
BECAUSE LAYING THE BEAT-DOWN ON 30 CRIMINALS IS DIFFERENT THAN 20!
Just a Colorado girl in Montana who <3s the Avs.
With his sidekick Mike Milbury, who does all the dirty work (ie shoe punching)
"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck" -Obi Wan Kenobi
I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?
AJ Hellafalafel put it very well above
I have no idea why Andy shit all over the bed this season while wearing an Av uni. But I do know this: I would have never predicted this occurrence while chanting An-dy An-dy An-dy from the 6th row in the Can after his stunning 50-save shutout in a playoff game against San Jose last year, while he smiled and waved to the crowd during his 1st star ceremony.
His fall was dramatic, mind boggling, and as the pimp said, heart breaking.
We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.
Cool story, bro
Mr. Fuji, the devious ways that you put in my mind will come to use.
by Dan Winkler on Jun 14, 2011 6:05 PM MDT up reply actions
Go Canucks?
We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.
by Bob in Boulder on Jun 14, 2011 6:08 PM MDT up reply actions
See? I was hating the Canucks and all, but I’m oddly swayed by your argument.
(“I’m oddly swayed” = TWSS.)
This will totally help me get over a nuck victory tomorrow, btw.
"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck" -Obi Wan Kenobi
I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?
Just one more reason to get her out of the jersey.
Datsyuk may have done it first, but he learned it from Peter Forsberg.
Thanks for everything Foppa!
Footer: We'll miss seeing you clear the riff raff off your lawn.
by Americanario on Jun 15, 2011 12:38 PM MDT up reply actions
Maybe it was Chris Stewart banging
his wife that pisses him off?
by Pinchy The Lobster on Jun 14, 2011 6:07 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
You shut your mouth. Go find a source and put that on twitter.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
You just found a source! You go put it on twitter!
Your logical buzzkillery is ruining my already shitty jokes.
Stewart certainly crossed my mind when contemplating the New Andy. However, his performance seemed shaky before the alleged events would have gone down.
"I’m predicting 50pts in the NHL for Hensick next season. Anyone want to put $20 on it?" - DetAvs, Jun 18, 2010 3:45 AM EDT
by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Jun 14, 2011 8:04 PM MDT up reply actions
As Bubs said, Andy was shaky in training camp. Unless it went down before the season started, I just don’t see the connection.
aka Beachie (Look, Ma, I've gone legit!)
In Rick Pracey we trust
by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 15, 2011 7:51 AM MDT up reply actions
oh, I guess I missed the rumor?
what, if yall don’t mind mongering said rumor a bit, was supposed to have possibly been perhaps the cause of Andy’s ‘issues’?
wFlan : Annoying Canucks fans on their home turf since 07
Nothin.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
Mile High Hockey : Where B- is different than C+
by A.J. Haefele on Jun 14, 2011 11:15 PM MDT up reply actions
Its really not worth continuing to bring up
But if you want to read what’s already been said here you go.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
Mile High Hockey : Where B- is different than C+
by A.J. Haefele on Jun 14, 2011 11:32 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Its really not worth continuing to bring up
Amen, brother.
aka Beachie (Look, Ma, I've gone legit!)
In Rick Pracey we trust
by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 15, 2011 7:51 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
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