Final Grade: Ryan Wilson
by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jun 17, 2011 7:00 AM MDT
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This report card is a joint effort by Beachie, Sandie, Paul, SlamDunktheFunk and DDC. Stats courtesy of hockey-reference.com and NHL.com
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Final Grade: B
Midseason Grade: B-
Last Year: B+
Position: D
Vitals: 6'1" / 207 lbs / Age 24 / Shoots L
Drafted by: Undrafted
Joined Avalanche: March 4th, 2009 with Lawrence Nicholat and 2nd round pick (Stefan Elliott) for Jordan Leopold
MHH Nicknames: Mack Truck
Linemates:
- Foote 16gp 0g 4a 4pt Even
- Shattenkirk 16gp 2g 3a 5pt -3
- Johnson 13gp 0g 3a 3pt -5
- O'Byrne 6gp 0g 1a 1pt -4
- Liles 5gp 0g 0a 0pt +5
- Hannan 4gp 0g 4a 4pt +2
- 7th D 3gp 1g 0a 1pt +2
- Quincey 2gp 0g 0a 0pt -3
- Holos 1gp 0g 0a 0pt -1
- Hunwick 1gp 0g 0a 0pt Even
Avs with Wilson in the lineup: 26-35-6 (.432 pt%) 2.79 GF 3.57 GA
Ice Time:
- TTOI 19:48 (5th)
- EV 16:35 (4th)
- PK 2:25 (5th)
- PP 0:47 (9th)
Career Highlights: Wilson set a new career high in games played (67) and tied his career best in goals (3)
Report: There was concern that Wilson wouldn't be the same after his concussion woes in 2009-2010. Even after cleared to play, he seemed to shy away from the big hits (although he wasn't afraid to drop the gloves a time or two.) Last season, however, saw the return of the Mack Truck hit. Even better, his defensive positioning was much improved, and he was simply smarter with the puck. There were times, especially when paired with Kevin Shattenkirk, when Wilson tried to do too much. He suddenly forgot he was a defensive d-man and started pinching in far too frequently, resulting in some odd man rushes going the other way. As the season wore on, though, he timed those plays better and was more successful. 2011-2012 could prove to be the start of some truly solid seasons for Wilson. He has shown that he can be a reliable guard on the blueline, and the improvements he's made in his overall game speak volumes of his character and potential. Mack Truck will never be a 1-2 guy, but he definitely can be the kind of player to help his team win the Cup -- especially if the road to it has Vancouver along the way. All he would have to do is look at the Sedins, and they'd fall down in a whimpering mess.
Fun Fact: The Flames got 25 games and 5 points out of the deadline deal for Wilson and the pick that became Stefan Elliott
The Ryan Wilson Drinking Game: Drink for the big hits Drunk potential: Oh yeah
What We Said Last Year: Another young Avalanche defenseman with a boat load of potential, Ryan Wilson owned a mini break out of a season (and he was supposed to be leftovers in that trade for Leopold). He busted onto the scene dropping players with monster hits like Avs fans haven't seen since......it's been too long.
2010 Cap Hit: $551,666
2011 Status: RFA ($550,000 QO)
Outlook for Next Season: Wilson is one of three Avalanche restricted free agents who can bank on a nice raise this summer (the other two would be David Jones and Ryan O'Byrne). Wilson was a bargain last year, with the 3rd best ratio of hits per dollar among all defensemen last year (O'Byrne, by the way, was 9th). To get a gauge for his salary, I looked around for other defensemen with similar age / experience, offensive numbers (3-13-16) and hits (135) on non-entry level contracts. The two closest I could find were Nashville's Kevin Klein (26, 2-16-18, 128) who is making $1.35 million and former Avalanche Johnny Boychuk (27, 3-13-16, 117) at $1.875 million. Shall we split the difference and pencil in Wilson for $1.5 million?
Next Up: Matt Hunwick
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I"m much happier when he’s the #6 guy then when he’s playing in the top 4. The avs have to keep him out of the deep end of the pool
Available for a 3rd round pick.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jun 17, 2011 7:30 AM MDT reply actions
To me, he’s just as useful as Boychuk, but with a little more grit and of course, injury problems. You have to control his match-ups and make sure he isn’t exposed, just like Boychuk.
If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!
at times, Wilson was just awful. There was that stretch he played with Foote and it was almost automatic that if there was a goal against, they were on the ice.
other times, he looked really good. definitely agree that he needs to be handled carefully to maximize his play
I am the most humble blogger of all time
by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jun 17, 2011 7:45 AM MDT up reply actions
BUT BOYCHUK PLAYED IN SCF
CLEARLY HE BETTER AND WE NEED HIM BACK
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
Mile High Hockey : Where B- is different than C+
by A.J. Haefele on Jun 17, 2011 8:10 AM MDT up reply actions
HOW DARE WE NOT OFFER HIM A CONTRACT
FIFTEEN YEARS LATER HE WOULD HAVE WON US A STANLEY CUP. UNFATHOMABLE MISTAKE.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
Mile High Hockey : Where B- is different than C+
by A.J. Haefele on Jun 17, 2011 8:17 AM MDT up reply actions
OUR SCOUTS ARE AWFUL THEY SHOULD HAVE SEEN HIS PROMISE AND MADE HIM ROYS BACKUP.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
The avs should have kept Sundin.
Available for a 3rd round pick.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jun 17, 2011 9:09 AM MDT up reply actions
THEY SHOULD HAVE KEPT LINDROS WHY DID THEY TRADE HIM?
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
Because they wanted to suck in 2011.
Available for a 3rd round pick.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jun 17, 2011 9:17 AM MDT up reply actions
Can you imagine if they thought ahead. They could have had a team of Thomas, Lindros, Sundin, Boychuck, and Ballard all on the team for this past season. Morons.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
This is why:
Please note some names on that list: Forsberg, Roy, Tanguay, Blake, Stastny, Bourque…. and yes, Wilson and S. Elliott.
I’ll take 2 Cups over just one (maybe), thanks.
Just a Colorado girl in Montana who <3s the Avs.
Sarcasm meter….
aka Beachie (Look, Ma, I've gone legit!)
In Rick Pracey we trust (unless he picks Herpaderp)
by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 17, 2011 10:47 AM MDT up reply actions
lmao srsly
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
Mile High Hockey : Where B- is different than C+
by A.J. Haefele on Jun 17, 2011 11:47 AM MDT up reply actions
yes, indeed.
Available for a 3rd round pick.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jun 17, 2011 12:02 PM MDT up reply actions
Oh, I know.
I just wanted to post that because it’s cool. Avalanche DB is amazing.
Just a Colorado girl in Montana who <3s the Avs.
Not a lindros fan eh?
Available for a 3rd round pick.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jun 17, 2011 12:02 PM MDT up reply actions
I am not a fan of guys who sleep with other players’ girlfriends/wives. Wait am I talking about Stewart or Lindros?
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
Where did this meme (Stewart sleeping with someone’s wife) come from?
Maybe
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Jun 17, 2011 12:18 PM MDT up reply actions
That moronic rumor via twitter. Which was pulled down 20 minutes after it went up.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
The Lindros one comes from when Lindros suddenly had a black eye and a broken nose in 1995. He was caught with Brindamour’s wife and the team beat the crap out of him.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
“Hey guys, unfortunately it’s a concussion. Yeah, another one. I guess I have to stay here in Philly. Good luck for the road trip. By the way, Rod, what’s your wife’s name again?”
Because....fuck the Red Wings!
by StiflersMom on Jun 17, 2011 12:41 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, It seems like anytime a team has a really bad season (or a collapse) there’s always this “teammate slept with a guys wife” The Flyers had a Hartnell-Carter one a few years ago too.
Maybe
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Jun 17, 2011 2:29 PM MDT up reply actions
I don’t know. The timeline fits, and it gives us an excuse, so I kinda tend to believe it. Check this thread to see details.
Thanks, Joe... Thanks, Peter.... Thanks, Adam....
Should’ve ended the whole blog post with a Maybe.
The timeline fits, and it gives us an excuse, so I kinda tend to believe it.
Of course the timeline fits, that’s how a rumor gets started. If the timeline didn’t fit it never would have made it this far.
That said, it’s super-silly speculation.
Maybe
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Jun 17, 2011 4:04 PM MDT up reply actions
After about January, it looked like his concussion issues finally dissipated. He was starting to hit again. I would like to see a Wilson/Gaunce (Elliot, Barrie) type 3rd pairing.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
How is it he got a B? Our defense sucked last season and he was a huge part of the suckage. Just because he lays a big hit on occasion doesn’t make him a good defenseman. wtf?
Draft Larsson and McNeil + Pray for Divine Intervention in goal = Kick ass.
Obligatory Grade Complaint -
It’s like the Obligatory 3rd goal.
Thank you for getting it out of the way.
Just a Colorado girl in Montana who <3s the Avs.
What are the individual grades you guys came up with? A B is the highest yet for a D isn’t it?
by MalachiConstant on Jun 17, 2011 8:18 AM MDT reply actions
O’Byrne got a B. Liles got an A-. Johnson was a B+, as was Shattenkirk.
so, no.
we were fairly unanimous on Wilson too – 2 B-, 2 B+, 1 B. Perhaps a little too high. I think the guys who voted B- are dead on.
I am the most humble blogger of all time
by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jun 17, 2011 8:24 AM MDT up reply actions
Fair enough, thanks. I’d be more agreeable to a B-, but thought higher of Gaunce this year than Wilson, and Gaunce was a C+.
by MalachiConstant on Jun 17, 2011 8:26 AM MDT up reply actions
Ugh
I had a whole response typed out here but when I deleted sixwhores comment below mine got deleted with it so forget. Moral of the story: Wilson seems to be underrated around these parts, he never settled into a rhythm with a party, causing him to be constantly evolving his play to meld with his partner’s style, and he’ll never be more than a 6-7 but in that role I feel he’s very solid.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
Mile High Hockey : Where B- is different than C+
by A.J. Haefele on Jun 17, 2011 8:34 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Liar!
It was 2 B-, 2 B, 1 B+. Since it makes a huge difference.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
Mile High Hockey : Where B- is different than C+
by A.J. Haefele on Jun 17, 2011 8:28 AM MDT up reply actions
yep, stupid typo
I am the most humble blogger of all time
by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jun 17, 2011 8:30 AM MDT up reply actions
Cuz a B- is different than a B
aka Beachie (Look, Ma, I've gone legit!)
In Rick Pracey we trust (unless he picks Herpaderp)
by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 17, 2011 10:49 AM MDT up reply actions
it is. it has an extra dash
I am the most humble blogger of all time
by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jun 17, 2011 11:50 AM MDT up reply actions
Takes more effort to type, and write
The doctor's say he's got a 50/50 chance of living...though there's only a 10% chance of that. - The Naked Gun
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Available for a 3rd round pick.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jun 17, 2011 12:04 PM MDT up reply actions
It has an extra hyphen
Therefore, is B- better than B due to our obsession with hyphens here?
Just a Colorado girl in Montana who <3s the Avs.
Hyphens are the devils’ playthings.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
Hyphens are periods with a superiority complex.
If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!
Don’t 2 negative B- equal an A?
by Pinchy The Lobster on Jun 17, 2011 2:38 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
note to self: don’t click on six whore’s links
I am the most humble blogger of all time
by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jun 17, 2011 8:40 AM MDT reply actions
I like to call them “electronic STD’s”.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
I guess it’s better than the real kind
The doctor's say he's got a 50/50 chance of living...though there's only a 10% chance of that. - The Naked Gun
Ok this may be the best hf thread I have ever read
Vancouver idiocy/homerism/myopia vs. Detroit idiocy/homerism/myopia
http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=927329
Totally worth the read.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
Wilson plays and hits hard but really, a B?
"I’m predicting 50pts in the NHL for Hensick next season. Anyone want to put $20 on it?" - DetAvs, Jun 18, 2010 3:45 AM EDT
by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Jun 17, 2011 9:42 AM MDT reply actions
I would have given him a D. he had an awful year playing way, way past the position he should. i still like him, but only as a bottom pairing guy.
"I’m predicting 50pts in the NHL for Hensick next season. Anyone want to put $20 on it?" - DetAvs, Jun 18, 2010 3:45 AM EDT
Hensick stats: 13 games, 1g/2a/3p THOMAS/DETAVS: I WANT MY $20
My biggest critique of Wilson
Last season, however, saw the return of the Mack Truck hit. Even better, his defensive positioning was much improved, and he was simply smarter with the puck. There were times, especially when paired with Kevin Shattenkirk, when Wilson tried to do too much. He suddenly forgot he was a defensive d-man and started pinching in far too frequently, resulting in some odd man rushes going the other way.
This touched on it, but I think Wilson sometimes goes out of his way to make the big hit. This leads to him being out of position and odd man rushes the other way. He’s a good player, but he almost has to be paired with a Defensive D to cover his wandering bloodlust. If he’s paired with another wanderer, like Shattenkirk or Liles, it’s a catastrophe.
Wilson isn’t offensively gifted enough to be wandering, and when he does it makes him almost useless. He needs to be a stay at home defenseman, he’ll still get a chance to hit people, but in his own end digging pucks out of corners. Of course the sacrifice to this is that BiB will whine about losing his mean streak, but if it makes him a better overall defenseman it’s a good thing.
The way he plays now I think his perfect partner is O’Byrne.
Maybe
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Jun 17, 2011 10:11 AM MDT reply actions
Brilliant
to cover his wandering bloodlust
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
I think if we get the players to focus on going 180 degrees away from what Bibby likes about them we’ll have a Cup contender next year.
If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!
..but no one with mesmerizing blue eyes.
Maybe
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Jun 17, 2011 10:44 AM MDT up reply actions
With 6 Martin Skoulas on our backend?
We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.
by Bob in Boulder on Jun 17, 2011 11:32 AM MDT up reply actions
Ahhh yeah. That's the stuff.
Keep talkin dirty. I’ll get the lipstick out.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
Mile High Hockey : Where B- is different than C+
by A.J. Haefele on Jun 17, 2011 11:48 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
That’s a lot of “puck poise”
The doctor's say he's got a 50/50 chance of living...though there's only a 10% chance of that. - The Naked Gun
Not Jib
He has both an Av Skoula 41 AND an Av Skoula 55.
We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.
by Bob in Boulder on Jun 17, 2011 5:54 PM MDT up reply actions
A Wilson – RoB bottom pairing would be great.
"I’m predicting 50pts in the NHL for Hensick next season. Anyone want to put $20 on it?" - DetAvs, Jun 18, 2010 3:45 AM EDT
Hensick stats: 13 games, 1g/2a/3p THOMAS/DETAVS: I WANT MY $20
So EJ and Quincey as the top pair and Liles and Koci as the second pair? Intriguing…
Mr. Fuji, the devious ways that you put in my mind will come to use.
by Dan Winkler on Jun 17, 2011 11:21 AM MDT up reply actions
I like Liles & UFA
UFA being anyone on this list:
Ian White
EricBrewer
Kevin Bieksa
James Wisniewski
Christian Ehrhoff
Ed Jovanowski
Scott Hannan
(caveat of being reasonably priced, of course. )
Maybe
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Jun 17, 2011 11:36 AM MDT up reply actions
Not a Larsson fan eh?
Available for a 3rd round pick.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jun 17, 2011 12:04 PM MDT up reply actions
I just don’t think the Avs will draft him, and even if they do there’s no guarantee he’ll play this season.
Maybe
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Jun 17, 2011 12:18 PM MDT up reply actions
I still say Oilers take Larsson, Avs take RNH….
aka Beachie (Look, Ma, I've gone legit!)
In Rick Pracey we trust (unless he picks Herpaderp)
by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 17, 2011 12:22 PM MDT up reply actions
I just can’t see them passing up on that kind of talent.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
No, not really. I stopped reading about the city of Houston a while ago.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
And Tennessee that misspelled Oilers…they spell it “Titans” for some reason
The doctor's say he's got a 50/50 chance of living...though there's only a 10% chance of that. - The Naked Gun
Bieksa’s a douchebag. That said he’d be a physical presence.
He also became utterly useless with Hamhuis out.
I think Bieksa is a bit of a douche, but he’s also a good player and would help our defense out. That said, he’s going to be overpriced because of the playoffs.
Maybe
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Jun 17, 2011 2:30 PM MDT up reply actions
I think I would expect something more like this to make that happen
Quincey – EJ
Liles – (Larsson / new defenseman)
Wilson – RoB
If there’s no new defenseman, I’d expect something like:
Quincey – EJ
Liles – RoB
Gaunce – Wilson (or Elliot/Barrie/Holos/Cumiskey/Hunwick etc)
"I’m predicting 50pts in the NHL for Hensick next season. Anyone want to put $20 on it?" - DetAvs, Jun 18, 2010 3:45 AM EDT
Hensick stats: 13 games, 1g/2a/3p THOMAS/DETAVS: I WANT MY $20
Agree. That’s my initial thought too.
Maybe
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Jun 17, 2011 11:39 AM MDT up reply actions
I love the idea of Gaunce and Wilson paired together. Lots of lunch money would be obtained. My only question is would the fact that they both shoot left be an issue? FWIW, I prefer to play on the left even tho I shoot right, so I would think it wouldn’t be too hard for them. Thoughts?
aka Beachie (Look, Ma, I've gone legit!)
In Rick Pracey we trust (unless he picks Herpaderp)
by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 17, 2011 12:21 PM MDT up reply actions
I have a feeling that lefties Gaunce&Wilson will be paired with righties Elliott&Barrie. It fits with the traditional R-L pairing the Avs like, as well as a PMD-SDD combo.
But I agree. A Gaunce/Wilson pair would take many a player’s lunch money. It would be fun to watch.
Just a Colorado girl in Montana who <3s the Avs.
With THREE young D that need minutes in the AHL, the Avs almost have to use that 6th dman spot as a development slot. There’s no reason to put Elliott, Gaunce or Barrie as a 7th man. If by some miracle Sacco sees O’Bryne as a bottom pairing guy; Wilson is your 7th man rotating in while Elliott, Barrie and Gaunce do the Lake Erie shuffle.
Personally, I’d like Gaunce to get a shot in the second pairing with Liles. But we all know that Sacco is going to put O’Bryne with Liles.
I'll keep this brief.
How many road games with that pairing being exposed with shit-tons of GA’s before they get split up? It’s a decent match-up pairing when you can control the exposure, but on the road….????
If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!
Hey, i hear you loud and clear but Sacco has said several times that O’Bryne is a great, underrated defenseman. Furthermore, when Sacco was getting some heat O’Bryne went to the press and made it very clear that the problem wasn’t Sacco and in fact, Sacco is the greatest coach he’s ever played for. Those boys are tight.
I'll keep this brief.
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