Vokoun?!?!?
I feel like this has been posted at least once on this site somewhere when I was looking it through but I feel like it needed to be official. This really really makes me happy maybe even extravagantly joyous. Feel free to comment pro's/con's of this possibility.
Editor's Note: Toothandnailer posted the link ot the Edmonton source material for Dater's post a scant few hours before this Fanshot went up. For clarity and completeness, here's a link to the Oilers blog.
Different Editor's Note: The Vokoun saga continues as Vokoun denies speaking to the newspaper. Sadface.
First Editor's Second Note: Apparently, the translations, they iz bad. Vokoun didn't say most of the stuff we've been gushing about. It doesn't change the fact that he'd be uber-welcome in Denver, but translation issues aside, it sounds like he thinks he's a better fit in Florida or Philly.
Different Editor's Second Note: Except Philly is still broke and dealing with Bryzzzz. Let PHX have a crack at him. Then Tampa Bay, cuz that's where he's signing. sup
Triple Dip Third Editor's note Special: It's all a smokescreen and he's coming to Colorado after all. My source is a Wikipedia article that I edited myself.
Fourth Editor's note: I was feeling left out, I'm hoping that the third editor is right, after all... it's on Wikipedia.
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Um, well wow. Not only is he a good goalie, if this happens it’s a complete bitch slap to Anderson.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
Methinks there might be some bad blood between Vokoun and Anderson. I know you think that’s crazy considering all we know about Andy, but hear me out…. Anderson is kind of a dick.
Available for a 3rd round pick.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jun 17, 2011 7:29 AM MDT reply actions 2 recs
This is just one of the most definitive, positive articles Dater has every written. He doesn’t do that often.
Andy is kind of a dick and it works. But it works when he cares and he stopped. This is going to piss him off, if it happens.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
The Ottawa-Colorado game would sure be interesting…
aka Beachie (Look, Ma, I've gone legit!)
In Rick Pracey we trust (unless he picks Herpaderp)
by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 17, 2011 7:35 AM MDT up reply actions
And if it’s in Ottawa, I’ll be there
Still Languishing for Landeskog, but I wouldn't mind Hubs, Couts, or Ryan Nugent-Duchene
by patrit19 on Jun 17, 2011 10:04 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
[Vokoun]: “Anderson, you’re such a dumbass! You could have won a cup on Colorado. Now I’m going to go and show you how it’s done. Good luck in Ottawa! [Insert evil laugh here]”
by mcarson01 on Jun 17, 2011 9:11 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Another goalie
who best preforms seeing a shitload of rubber….only better? Maybe he shines on a team with better? defense.
Living in the D, but It's All About The A.
But the Avalanche don’t have a better defense
The doctor's say he's got a 50/50 chance of living...though there's only a 10% chance of that. - The Naked Gun
Will that be true heading into next year?
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
With Sylvan behind the bench…who in his AHL and NHL stints running D’s has not had any success? Yeah, probably
The doctor's say he's got a 50/50 chance of living...though there's only a 10% chance of that. - The Naked Gun
It may be a bit better, but I still don’t see the D shutting down too many people
The doctor's say he's got a 50/50 chance of living...though there's only a 10% chance of that. - The Naked Gun
I don’t think the coach matters too much if you’ve got the talent. Jacques Cloutier handled the defense for years, and at times it was excellent. Since leaving the Avs, I don’t think he’s landed another coaching job in the NHL, has he?
What if…
What if Johnson and Quincey morphed into our Chara/Seidenberg? Huge minutes, physical, nasty at times, play in all situations, the shutdown pair. If we could get two top defensemen to play 24-26 minutes/night, that would take the pressure off the Wilsons of the world, who wouldn’t have to play as much, and I think that, right there, could really make the D much better than it was last year.
To continue with the comparisons:
Liles = Kaberle
O’Byrne = Boychuk
Wilson = Ference
Koci = McQuaid
I definitely like the cut of their jib.
Mr. Fuji, the devious ways that you put in my mind will come to use.
by Dan Winkler on Jun 17, 2011 10:06 AM MDT up reply actions
Add Larsson to that mix (if he’s any good) and you have the beginnings of a pretty decent defense, heck even without with some heath that’s still the core of a defense that can get you into the playoffs a round or two.
Available for a 3rd round pick.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jun 17, 2011 10:45 AM MDT up reply actions
Add Elliot and Barrie and Gaunce and you might have a good young talent to anchor the D for years
by avalanchejef on Jun 17, 2011 10:51 AM MDT up reply actions
I would want those guys to fight for one job, if it’s up to me (which it isn’t). If two or all three of those guys are playing for the avs next year, they’ll finish in the top 3 overall or, more likely, be gunning for the 1st overall pick.
Available for a 3rd round pick.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jun 17, 2011 11:53 AM MDT up reply actions
Vokoun’s injury worries playing in COL are substantially smaller than his current gig.
2010-2011 Colorado Avalanche: Hugging the cap floor and waiting on their revenue share, because hey, billionaires need welfare too!
by Hopfenkopf on Jun 17, 2011 11:38 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
When I first heard about this (stick tap to Bubs), I did my little digging and read different translations of the original Czech article. Repeatedly the translations showed he said that going to a Cup contender would be “irresistible.” Cue jaw drop when he names the Avs as an example of that type of team. Two things hit me:
1. The word irresistible. That’s a pretty strong word. To consider the Avalanche as an irresistible team again is something I recently said I really want. Yes, of course, I want playoff runs and cups and all that. But I also want CO to be on the short lists of guys with NTC/NMC, a place they’d wave those clauses just to be able to play here. This is how it used to be; I want it back.
2. Maybe we’re underestimating this team. Maybe the folks within the league – not all of us silly blog people/fans/armchair GMS – see more in this team than we do. Maybe we see promise where they see inevitability, we see potential where they see skill, we see the future where they see now. In short, maybe this team is a whole lot closer to being competitive than we realize.
Either way, yes please on Vokoun. Timing would be too perfect for Pickard to take over when he’s ready to retire.
aka Beachie (Look, Ma, I've gone legit!)
In Rick Pracey we trust (unless he picks Herpaderp)
by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 17, 2011 7:34 AM MDT reply actions 5 recs
To your point Beachie, everyone in the league treats Duchene like is he a SUPER elite player. Even if he doesn’t put up 100 points, they treat him like that.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
We were in the playoffs 2 seasons ago when Voukon’s former back-up was our starter. Maybe the big V is flashing some swagger, we could use a bunch of that between the pipes. We are a good team when healthy, and with the #2 pick we are going nowhere but up.
Draft Larsson and McNeil + Pray for Divine Intervention in goal = Kick ass.
by niwotsblessing on Jun 17, 2011 7:41 AM MDT up reply actions
We couldn’t go any farther down. Edmonton and the Isles look to be pretty shitty for the foreseeable future. It’ll be hard to wrestle the hind tit from them.
If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!
by Mike @ MHH on Jun 17, 2011 7:42 AM MDT up reply actions 3 recs
I’m bringing on some Friday morning optimism.
Draft Larsson and McNeil + Pray for Divine Intervention in goal = Kick ass.
by niwotsblessing on Jun 17, 2011 8:12 AM MDT up reply actions
This team is good at tanking, maybe if they start in early December they can do it.
Available for a 3rd round pick.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jun 17, 2011 9:05 AM MDT up reply actions
I think a lot of people here underestimate Edmonton. They’ll make a playoff run within 3 years.
That's no moon...
Once Dubnyk proves to be quite honed and reliable as a starter, yeah. With Khabibulin they’re not gonna do too much.
Toronto Maple Leafs: Where NHL players hopes and dreams go to die.
From what I’ve seen of Dubnyk he’s definitely elite goalie material. I expect more games from him and if Khabibulin keeps playing they way he has perhaps the majority of them. I’m not saying they’ll be hoisting the cup next year or anything, but they are not going to remain in the basement forever.
That's no moon...
I'm still skeptical.
They have some good young players, but nothing special at the most important positions: centre and defense. Until they fix that (which they may), they won’t be incredibly dangerous. At best, they’ll be Calgary.
by ExiledAmongYou on Jun 18, 2011 10:51 AM MDT up reply actions
They COULD
They have an awful lot of talent coming up but those are all guys they drafted. They have to convince them Edmonton is where they want to be long-term and bring all those guys back. And that’s assuming they all develop up to their potential.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
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by A.J. Haefele on Jun 18, 2011 10:55 AM MDT up reply actions
And that they don’t piss of those prospect. Some of the players were a tad disgruntled with the way pre-season camp went and with Edmonton’s roster management during the season. Some of those same players are European and have made no bones about the fact that they enjoy playing oversees.
If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!
Right, but his perception among other stars is extremely high. Higher than Tavares for sure.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
2. Maybe we’re underestimating this team.
I think that’s very possible. I mean, we did really well at the beginning of the year and I expect that we could put that up for a full year, as long as our top guys don’t get injured, and we have somebody like Vokoun backing us. Also, throwing in Mueller, Huberdeau, Hishon and Lindstrom for a little extra firepower can’t hurt.
There must be something to the Avs feeling very confident that they’ll handle the goalie situation. Is it possible the Avs and Vokoun have been secretly talking?
Maybe the last thing Sherman said to Andy was “Do yo have Vokoun’s phone number?”
Datsyuk may have done it first, but he learned it from Peter Forsberg.
Thanks for everything Foppa!
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by Americanario on Jun 17, 2011 9:24 AM MDT up reply actions 4 recs
It’s like breaking up with your girlfriend so you can date her hotter best friend…. everyone wins!
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Good...? Bad...? I'm the guy with the gun...
by i2strange97 on Jun 17, 2011 9:53 AM MDT up reply actions 15 recs
Except the plain girl who got dumped, maybe?
Mr. Fuji, the devious ways that you put in my mind will come to use.
by Dan Winkler on Jun 17, 2011 10:08 AM MDT up reply actions
No, no, no … she realizes she prefers the company of women and goes on to have a very successful online film career.
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"There's always next season." -- Jimmy Howard on not winning the Calder Trophy.
by Dixomatic on Jun 17, 2011 10:13 AM MDT up reply actions 4 recs
Nice.
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Good...? Bad...? I'm the guy with the gun...
by i2strange97 on Jun 17, 2011 12:19 PM MDT up reply actions
I think I speak for us all.
Fuck her! Or do I mean fuck Anderson? I’m getting my metaphors mixed.
Available for a 3rd round pick.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jun 17, 2011 10:46 AM MDT up reply actions
We were first in the division and within 2 points if FIRST in the West at Christmas break….we are NOT as bad our record showed at the end of the year. Were we good enough to hold that spot down? I doubt it, but we definitely weren’t as bad as people are making it out to be.
Maybe we’re underestimating this team. Maybe the folks within the league – not all of us silly blog people/fans/armchair GMS – see more in this team than we do. Maybe we see promise where they see inevitability
I think this is entirely possible. I don’t think it’s too hard to view the 2 months of heL as an extreme fluke. I hope the Avs don’t view it that way, and I hope they see the weaknesses, but the 1st 2/3 a season was pretty good.
Maybe
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Jun 17, 2011 9:43 AM MDT up reply actions
Was it Duchene that said he learned more during the down months than the entire last two years? Maybe you really do need to learn how to lose before you can learn how to win.
Not tosidetrack or anything, because I know that never happens around here….
but yeah, I hope that this experience helps the young avs. The Heat, on the other hand, I hope they continue to learn how to lose, and do it often.
"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck" -Obi Wan Kenobi
I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?
Then Calgary Colorado is perfect.
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The Number Zero, aiming squarely for the groin.
by Tempestuous Binary on Jun 17, 2011 5:02 PM MDT up reply actions
Yes
Some magicians can walk on water. Joe Sakic can swim through land.
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by Lost Winter on Jun 17, 2011 10:18 PM MDT up reply actions
The real question is, could he be any more of an ass. I think yes, he is that much of a douche bag.
"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck" -Obi Wan Kenobi
I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?
Maybe we see promise where they see inevitability, we see potential where they see skill, we see the future where they see now.
Or, maybe where we see a weak defense, they see Matt Hunwick. What’s up now?
Aside from the jokes, though, I agree with your assessment. And I am not nearly as down on our Defense as a lot of other people seem to be. I think it is good enough for a strong run as it is.
When this year becomes last year, next year will be looking pretty good.
Look, I’m going to be honest; he’s my favorite current goalie, with Tim Thomas and Pekka Rinne right up there with him. I didn’t think for a million years he’d be interested in the Avs. I’m not going to hold out hope or anything, but I’d be buying a jersey pretty fucking quick if he signed.
Another thought, perhaps he’s considering the Avs because they have a chance to be drastically improved in 2-3 years AND THEY HAVE THE CAP ROOM TO PAY HIM HIS MONEY. I doubt there are many other teams in the league that fit that criteria and haven’t been/won’t be relocated in the last/next 2-3 seasons.
If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!
I honestly think that Johnson trade, while earth shattering, told the league the Avs are back. You’re right about money. If he wants an 18 mil, 3 year deal, or hell 20 mil or 4 years that’s front loaded, he’ll be happy and might get it. And, there will be no goalie controversy with Lil’ Tank behind him.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
I'd do four in a hearbeat
On July 2nd he’s 35, but the day before we should try really hard to do a front-loaded deal
by HeyPeterman on Jun 17, 2011 8:20 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
doc and I went round and round one day
and found Tampa Bay was the most ideal fit in terms of cap space, job opening, and Cup contender. Colorado is the better fit in 2 of those 3 categories but if he’s delusional enough to think we’re a Cup contender anytime soon, I won’t be the one to dissuade him…
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
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by A.J. Haefele on Jun 17, 2011 8:07 AM MDT up reply actions
Tampa has the cap space after they need to pay Stamkos 10 million a year?
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
They have 22 million in cap space
Stamkos won’t get 10 so I’m not worried about it. They have half a roster to build with that money but even if Vokoun goes there for 5 million per they’ll be able to field an upgraded roster and still have money leftover.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
Mile High Hockey : Where B- is different than C+
by A.J. Haefele on Jun 17, 2011 8:13 AM MDT up reply actions
Aren’t the Panthers and Lightning decent rivals? It would make sense because they are in the same state. I’ve never watched a game between them though.
Meh. Tampa has been good for the last decade plus and Florida has not been. It might be a rivalry based on geography if hockey were bigger in south FL.
by MalachiConstant on Jun 17, 2011 9:15 AM MDT up reply actions
It’s Florida. Nobody gives a fuck about sports there.
Mr. Fuji, the devious ways that you put in my mind will come to use.
by Dan Winkler on Jun 17, 2011 10:10 AM MDT up reply actions
Unless you count college football as sports.
by MalachiConstant on Jun 17, 2011 10:17 AM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, not so much.
Mr. Fuji, the devious ways that you put in my mind will come to use.
by Dan Winkler on Jun 17, 2011 10:18 AM MDT up reply actions
The sport where you vote on the winner? No wonder they like college football so much. Florida is awesome at voting.
4th biggest pessimist of MHH.
"There's always next season." -- Jimmy Howard on not winning the Calder Trophy.
So awesome, they rely on their Supreme Court to do it for them. And poorly at that.
by MalachiConstant on Jun 17, 2011 10:21 AM MDT up reply actions
No the problem in Florida is they can’t count. That should make hockey easier to follow than football.
Datsyuk may have done it first, but he learned it from Peter Forsberg.
Thanks for everything Foppa!
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by Americanario on Jun 17, 2011 11:14 AM MDT up reply actions
Just as long as there aren't butterfly ballots, the'll be okay.
Just a Colorado girl in Montana who <3s the Avs.
No more Rolo?
Living in the D, but It's All About The A.
by Avalanche318 on Jun 17, 2011 1:10 PM MDT up reply actions
They have a metric f*ck ton of people to sign this off season so they have some flexibility. But, as you point out, Stamkos, Vinny and St Louis take up a large chunk of cap. Adding a fourth guy making 5.5+ mill might be tough.
by MalachiConstant on Jun 17, 2011 8:15 AM MDT up reply actions
I would also say that if Philly’s gamble on Bryzgalov doesn’t pan out, they also make sense. the only reason we didn’t include them was their cap crunch.
I think Vokoun agrees with many here the Avs are closer than it looked last year. All they need is a goaltender and some better injury luck and they’ll be in the playoffs imo.
"I’m predicting 50pts in the NHL for Hensick next season. Anyone want to put $20 on it?" - DetAvs, Jun 18, 2010 3:45 AM EDT
Hensick stats: 13 games, 1g/2a/3p THOMAS/DETAVS: I WANT MY $20
ARE YOU CALLING YOUR FAVORITE GOALIE A LIAR, MIKE?
Mr. Fuji, the devious ways that you put in my mind will come to use.
by Dan Winkler on Jun 17, 2011 10:09 AM MDT up reply actions
No, but all that Florida sun on his shiny dome may have addled him. Once he realizes what he said, I have no doubt he’ll re-sign with Florida or sign with Tampa Bay or Philly (after they screw the pooch with Bryz).
If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!
If it comes down to returning to florida and coming over to colorado, I think colorado wins that 7 times out of 10
Available for a 3rd round pick.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jun 17, 2011 10:48 AM MDT up reply actions
And the 3 out of 10 are either there for the coke or the blue plate special.
Mr. Fuji, the devious ways that you put in my mind will come to use.
by Dan Winkler on Jun 17, 2011 10:49 AM MDT up reply actions
I would agree, except for the fact that he is already established in Florida. Don’t know if he has kids or not, but having to up and move the family across the country can really change your thinking.
Datsyuk may have done it first, but he learned it from Peter Forsberg.
Thanks for everything Foppa!
Footer: We'll miss seeing you clear the riff raff off your lawn.
by Americanario on Jun 17, 2011 11:17 AM MDT up reply actions
Which could put Tampa in play as well
The doctor's say he's got a 50/50 chance of living...though there's only a 10% chance of that. - The Naked Gun
Sunrise is surprisingly far from St Pete.
by MalachiConstant on Jun 17, 2011 12:08 PM MDT up reply actions
True, but you don’t have to uproot and move halfway across the country
The doctor's say he's got a 50/50 chance of living...though there's only a 10% chance of that. - The Naked Gun
I have to agree with that. I have to travel to Florida once a month and I hate it. I would much rather be in Colorado.
I lived in FL for seven years. I now live in CO. North FL has its nice points, but there’s more than one reason I’m here.
by MalachiConstant on Jun 17, 2011 12:09 PM MDT up reply actions
FYI
I still want to see Erik Cole on this team.
#PipeDream
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
I’d be interested in either Cole or the good Ruutu.
2010-2011 Colorado Avalanche: Hugging the cap floor and waiting on their revenue share, because hey, billionaires need welfare too!
The good Ruutu means the “not injured” version of Tuomo
The doctor's say he's got a 50/50 chance of living...though there's only a 10% chance of that. - The Naked Gun
It’s Tuomo wrapped in bubblewrap.
Available for a 3rd round pick.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jun 17, 2011 12:05 PM MDT up reply actions
I'd want Rick Nash
on the Avalanche if we are talking #pipedreams
It's all about the A-
by Sandie Gauthier on Jun 17, 2011 1:45 PM MDT up reply actions
I think you are misinterpreting what “pipe dream” means Sandie.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
by c6hor8 on Jun 17, 2011 1:47 PM MDT up reply actions 3 recs
Focus on the “pipe” part.
Datsyuk may have done it first, but he learned it from Peter Forsberg.
Thanks for everything Foppa!
Footer: We'll miss seeing you clear the riff raff off your lawn.
by Americanario on Jun 17, 2011 1:56 PM MDT up reply actions
That’s my point, I thought I was spot on in my assessment.
It's all about the A-
by Sandie Gauthier on Jun 17, 2011 2:32 PM MDT up reply actions
OK, so you dream that you get the point of the pipe?
Datsyuk may have done it first, but he learned it from Peter Forsberg.
Thanks for everything Foppa!
Footer: We'll miss seeing you clear the riff raff off your lawn.
by Americanario on Jun 17, 2011 2:43 PM MDT up reply actions
Now that we’ve had our moment of excitement…he’s probabaly trying to drive his $$ #’s up by putting himself out there, maybe TB has to spend 5.5 or 6 instead of 5.
Available for a 3rd round pick.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jun 17, 2011 8:18 AM MDT reply actions
If that means that quality guys like Brewer are available, I can live with that.
If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!
I like Brewer
but you definitely saw the worst of him in the TB-BOS series. He and Ohlund were aaaaawwwffffffuuuuullllllllllllll
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
Mile High Hockey : Where B- is different than C+
by A.J. Haefele on Jun 17, 2011 8:27 AM MDT up reply actions
Still, he’d instantly be the best guy on our 2nd pairing.
If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!
Agreed, but the tradeoff is letting one of the kids play and progress.
by MalachiConstant on Jun 17, 2011 8:46 AM MDT up reply actions
I disagree. WIthin the 1st two months three of the Avs’ defensemen will be injured so a young kid can come and play amazing and then get traded. Right?
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
Correction, the way they’ve been going lately, half of the Avs roster will be injured
The doctor's say he's got a 50/50 chance of living...though there's only a 10% chance of that. - The Naked Gun
We’d be wise to contract with a second farm team.
by MalachiConstant on Jun 17, 2011 8:50 AM MDT up reply actions
We’d be wise to contract witha second farm team.that cybernetics facility that rebuilt the $6 Million Man
4th biggest pessimist of MHH.
"There's always next season." -- Jimmy Howard on not winning the Calder Trophy.
6 million man? Isn’t that Stastny? That;s what i read on the DP website.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
Yeah, but Steve Austin (not the stone cold guy) is totally worth the money. Have you heard that cool sound effect when he jumps?
4th biggest pessimist of MHH.
"There's always next season." -- Jimmy Howard on not winning the Calder Trophy.
they have news on hockey on double pene. . . oh wait the denver post, my bad
by avalanchejef on Jun 17, 2011 11:04 AM MDT up reply actions
I’d rather they do that in the minors and then have to beat out someone to make the nhl rather than have it handed to them.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jun 17, 2011 9:07 AM MDT up reply actions
Fair enough. I know diddly about player progression.
by MalachiConstant on Jun 17, 2011 9:16 AM MDT up reply actions
Like I said in another Vokoun thread. This teams biggest issues are it’s defense, and it’s lack of physical play. If we keep tossing out small puck moving defense and small easily pushed around forwards…it’s not going to matter who is in goal.
I liked the Johnson trade, but that solves 1/6th of our awful defensive problems
Plus our entire offense, even the “gritty” guys get pushed around too easily, and if they can’t use their speed to get past opposing teams (which they couldn’t in the last half of the season after being exposed by LA)
There is just too many glaring issues to make the Avs a legitimate cup contender for the 2 or 3 years Vokoun would be around. I don’t see a legitimate Cup contender for 4-5 years…the guys we have now will have matured to greatness “hopefully” and the younger guys we bring in this year and next will have a chance to get their sea legs
The doctor's say he's got a 50/50 chance of living...though there's only a 10% chance of that. - The Naked Gun
by chiavsfan on Jun 17, 2011 8:42 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
I totally disagree. Defense is not about individuals. You can have a mediocre team implement a great defensive strategy. It’s all about team play though. Guys like EJ help but they actually help more when they have the puck, because they make great passes up to the forwards.
It makes it a lot easier to gain puck possession and play your system if you can win battles along the boards and in front of the net though.
by MalachiConstant on Jun 17, 2011 9:18 AM MDT up reply actions
Then this goes back to my coaching point about Lefebrvesqhs…he has had 2 years in the AHL, and two years in the NHL coaching D. And all 4 of his teams have been defensively suspect. He’s around again this year…I just don’t see things getting much better
The doctor's say he's got a 50/50 chance of living...though there's only a 10% chance of that. - The Naked Gun
Yeah, you may have a good point there. I would prefer to give Lafavrererer the benefit of doubt though. My feeling is that we play a run-and-gun style that emphasizes offense. This works well if you have good offensive players that aren’t hurt. However, the team still needs to be responsible defensively. IMO, biggest problem here is youth. It takes a while for younger players to learn how to be responsible defensively in the NHL. There’s not a quick fix though, you just have to be patient and let your guys learn, without getting too down on them. I think Sacco has been doing a great job of that lately.
How, by benching then sending down Galiardi? By benching Duchene? By benching Stewart right before he got traded? I don’t think Sacco has patience for anything. And the way he decides to hold his players accountable is to bench them…not let them play through it. Worked his 1st year. Didn’t last year
The doctor's say he's got a 50/50 chance of living...though there's only a 10% chance of that. - The Naked Gun
So maybe he finds a new way or happy medium in his third year…remember, he’s still learning too.
I really don’t like Sly behind the bench though. I mean I love the guy, but I don’t think he’s a very good coach. But then, who does the “system” ultimately ‘belong’ to? Is its failure a reflection of the HC or the AC?
aka Beachie (Look, Ma, I've gone legit!)
In Rick Pracey we trust (unless he picks Herpaderp)
by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 17, 2011 9:50 AM MDT up reply actions
Devil’s advocate:
1) Can a team fully perform a system if everyone gets hurt and new kids are cycled through?
2) Can a team fully perform a system without a single, strong leader of the D corp?
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
1) Probably not…but the year before he had a more stable D corps, and Andy saved it’s bacon
2) Again probably not, but EJ is still “growing”…and with the influx of D the Avs have, others are going to need to “grow” as well
The doctor's say he's got a 50/50 chance of living...though there's only a 10% chance of that. - The Naked Gun
Not to nitpick, but I think with the additions of Johnson and O’Byrne, as well as what looks to be solid guys in Wilson and Gaunce, the “too small defense” and “too many PMDs” argument is starting to become a non-issue. I know these have been listed before, but for ease of reference:
The guys we expect will be back:
Gaunce 6’1" / 203 (it’s my opinion he’ll be reg roster spot…or maybe just hope)
Johnson 6’4" / 232
Liles 5’10" / 185
O’Byrne 6’5" / 234
Quincey 6’2" / 207
Wilson 6’2" / 207
The guys we hope won’t be back:
Cumiskey 5’10" / 185
Hunwick 5’11" / 190
The guys who might make it:
Elliott 6’1" / 180
Holøs 5’11" / 196
Chouinard 6’1" / 190
Liffiton 6’3" / 210
So, the guys we have right now consist of one small PMD and 5 big dudes who can lay the hit. The guys who might make it have one short guy with decent weight, two guys who need to fill out their frames, and a call up who can lay the hit. Really, when you take out the two guys who probably won’t be back, you have a decent sized blueline.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 17, 2011 9:46 AM MDT up reply actions
I would not rule of Hunwick as the 7th D-man.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
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Actually, I agree. He might be back. And if he plays the way he did at the end of the season, I’m okay with that. Argument still stands, though. You add Hunwick as the 7th D and you have two small PMDs and 5 big dudes. Just sayin…
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by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 17, 2011 9:52 AM MDT up reply actions
I think he’ll rebound actually. And, let’s say Elliott and Barrie aren’t ready, he could replace any injury. However, I actually think Elliott will make the starting roster above Gaunce. I see a back and forth between Gaunce and Wilson.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
See, I want Elliott in there and not Hunwick.
EJ – Quincey
Liles – O’Byrne
Gaunce/ Wilson – Elliott
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In Rick Pracey we trust (unless he picks Herpaderp)
by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 17, 2011 9:59 AM MDT up reply actions
lol
Def not 5’6". I’d say closer to 5’9" than 5’10"…
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by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 17, 2011 11:19 AM MDT up reply actions
sarcasm meter
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
It was cool how they imaged 100’s of JML’s into the Charlie and the Chocolate Factory movie.
We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.
by Bob in Boulder on Jun 17, 2011 11:38 AM MDT up reply actions
I knew it was sarcasm. Just providing the facts as well.
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In Rick Pracey we trust (unless he picks Herpaderp)
by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 17, 2011 12:00 PM MDT up reply actions
Laying down?
Mile High Hockey: Command and Control for the 1st Avs Tank Battalion...
Good...? Bad...? I'm the guy with the gun...
by i2strange97 on Jun 17, 2011 12:21 PM MDT up reply actions
EJ needs to start playing that big more often.
We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.
by Bob in Boulder on Jun 17, 2011 9:53 AM MDT up reply actions
Very true.
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In Rick Pracey we trust (unless he picks Herpaderp)
by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 17, 2011 10:00 AM MDT up reply actions
Sometimes I think you’re obsessed with defensemen who hit hard, rather than ones who play well.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jun 17, 2011 10:01 AM MDT up reply actions
Ask the Sedins about my obsession with defensemen who hit hard. I think they are about to buy into it.
We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.
by Bob in Boulder on Jun 17, 2011 10:18 AM MDT up reply actions
Seidenberg and Chara don’t hit that hard very often. They do play extremely solid positional defense though. (Same can be said about Suter-Weber, and Kieth-Seabrook. All three shut down the Sedins.)
The only defense pairing that didn’t shut down the Sedins was: Boyle-Murray. Hey look, Murray’s a big defenseman who hits hard and gets out of position while doing so….
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by Jibblescribbits on Jun 17, 2011 10:23 AM MDT up reply actions
You didn’t see the same Seidenberg that I did then.
We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.
by Bob in Boulder on Jun 17, 2011 10:23 AM MDT up reply actions
I saw a guy who anticipated the play extremely well, and used his size and strength to box out the Sedins. I didn’t see a guy out hammering people.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jun 17, 2011 10:25 AM MDT up reply actions
Emerick used “freight trained down” on this one.
We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.
by Bob in Boulder on Jun 17, 2011 10:28 AM MDT up reply actions
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by Jibblescribbits on Jun 17, 2011 10:29 AM MDT up reply actions
We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.
by Bob in Boulder on Jun 17, 2011 10:30 AM MDT up reply actions
I never said he didn’t occasionally lay a big hit. He does. I don’t think it’s what makes him a good defenseman though.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jun 17, 2011 10:33 AM MDT up reply actions
Example
Youtube search: “Seidenberg hit” and almost everything is from his days in Florida….
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by Jibblescribbits on Jun 17, 2011 10:33 AM MDT up reply actions
Another example
google “Skoula hit” and many of the top returns are for purse makers
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by Bob in Boulder on Jun 17, 2011 10:39 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Also
I have no idea what this will yield, because I’m blocked at work, but I’d be willing to bet there’s some hits by both Quincey and Johnson this season at this link
(video button directly below their names)
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by Jibblescribbits on Jun 17, 2011 10:39 AM MDT up reply actions
If we’re in a world where we’re taking things that Doc Emrick says and using them as evidence of anything, I’m moving to a different world.
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by UZ on Jun 18, 2011 3:10 AM MDT up reply actions
Also
Seidenberg also looked really damn good playing next to a Norris winner and a Vezina Candidate (and a should-be Selke candidate in Bergeron). I imagine that helped him some too.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jun 17, 2011 10:43 AM MDT up reply actions
I agree. It is why I like the idea of seeing what Wilson can do with EJ. If EJ becomes what he was supposed to become, that may free up Wilson to deliver soul crushing blows.
We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.
by Bob in Boulder on Jun 17, 2011 10:47 AM MDT up reply actions
eh
I’d much rather Quincey and EJ be paired. I don’t see a reason to pair a 3rd pairing guy with a 1st pairing guy.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jun 17, 2011 10:51 AM MDT up reply actions
agreed, Wilson is at his best when he’s playing limited minutes.
Available for a 3rd round pick.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jun 17, 2011 10:53 AM MDT up reply actions
I don’t see any reason to call Quincey a first pairing guy.
We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.
by Bob in Boulder on Jun 17, 2011 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions
Zing!
And you’re absolutely correct.
Mr. Fuji, the devious ways that you put in my mind will come to use.
by Dan Winkler on Jun 17, 2011 10:55 AM MDT up reply actions
Except he’s been playing 1st pairing minutes for 2 seasons.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jun 17, 2011 11:20 AM MDT up reply actions
And in the games he’s played those 1st line D minutes, the Avs have been a playoff team.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jun 17, 2011 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions
Because Quincey was so instrumental in:
1. Anderson standing on his head in 2009-2010, and
2. The Avs scoring boatloads of goals early last season, of which he contributed a total of what, one assist in 20-something games?
Yes, I can see that clearly now.
We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.
by Bob in Boulder on Jun 17, 2011 11:35 AM MDT up reply actions
If you don’t think he wasn’t instrumental in the Avs playoff run in ‘09-10: you’re crazy.
And if you don’t think the fact that the Avs GA/G went up by 1/2 a goal after he got hurt: also crazy.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jun 17, 2011 11:38 AM MDT up reply actions
we’re all still avalanche fans, so all of us are at least a little crazy.
Available for a 3rd round pick.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jun 17, 2011 11:55 AM MDT up reply actions
By that logic
Joe Sacco is a top NHL head coach because his team made the playoffs his rookie season and he was a Jack Adams finalist, and his team was in the playoff hunt until injuries ruined the season.
Many people would disagree with that.
Mr. Fuji, the devious ways that you put in my mind will come to use.
by Dan Winkler on Jun 17, 2011 11:39 AM MDT up reply actions
Fair enough
But there’s other reasons Quincey is a top-pairing guy. (He’s probably better suited for a 2nd pairing right now, but he could be a 1st pairing guy. Lord knows on the Avs he’s 1st pairing right now)
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by Jibblescribbits on Jun 17, 2011 11:42 AM MDT up reply actions
Yes indeed. I agree, he is a 1st pairing guy on the Avalanche right now.
But there’s definite room for improvement, and there’s room for improvement in Johnson’s game. And I don’t mean improvement like small tweaks, I mean improvement like step your game up big time.
Mr. Fuji, the devious ways that you put in my mind will come to use.
by Dan Winkler on Jun 17, 2011 11:45 AM MDT up reply actions
I also think it’s entirely possible that pairing Quincy with EJ could a) give him more confidence, and b) sent an example for him…. Having EJ there could be enough for Quincy to cut loose a little bit.
THIS!!!!
I think having Johnson on the ice will bring back BMF
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by Cole D Hamilton on Jun 17, 2011 12:27 PM MDT up reply actions
I do not disagree at all. I hope I’m not giving the impression I think either player is even close to the Chara/Lidstrom/Weber range. I hope I’m not giving the impression they are even in the range just below that. They both have substantial room for improvement.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jun 17, 2011 11:48 AM MDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t mind seeing Q and Johnson together, I’d rather see Larsson and Johnson.
Available for a 3rd round pick.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jun 17, 2011 11:56 AM MDT up reply actions
And honestly, yes, I do want defensemen who hit hard. But I wouldn’t exactly equate saying that someone needs to play big as all hard hitting. EJ didn’t use his size to move people out from in front of the net. He didn’t win enough battles along the boards. Frankly, he was very inconsistent. Some games, he was our best player. Other games, he was poor. Which we can’t have out of him if this team is going to become anything.
But yes, maybe we wouldn’t continually be among the most injured teams in the league every year if we were initiating more of the contract instead of just getting beat upon. Seems to make logical sense, doesn’t it?
We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.
by Bob in Boulder on Jun 17, 2011 10:23 AM MDT up reply actions
ut yes, maybe we wouldn’t continually be among the most injured teams in the league every year if we were initiating more of the contract instead of just getting beat upon. Seems to make logical sense, doesn’t it?
Didn’t Quincey get hurt initiating a hit on Ovechkin? Isn’t that how Wilson separated his shoulder too a few years ago?
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by Jibblescribbits on Jun 17, 2011 10:25 AM MDT up reply actions
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by Bob in Boulder on Jun 17, 2011 10:26 AM MDT up reply actions 6 recs
lol
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by Jibblescribbits on Jun 17, 2011 10:26 AM MDT up reply actions
Typed or cut and paste? Cuz my rec depends on the answer.
If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!
copy and paste …. unless that doesn’t get a rec
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by Bob in Boulder on Jun 17, 2011 11:36 AM MDT up reply actions
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Available for a 3rd round pick.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jun 17, 2011 11:57 AM MDT up reply actions
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My opinion is that the team needs a bunch of guys who stay on target and don’t go looking for the big hit. I think you’ll get hurt if you don’t hit, I also think you’ll get hurt if you hit.
Available for a 3rd round pick.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jun 17, 2011 12:11 PM MDT up reply actions
I will say this: Greg Sherman, when I talked to him a few days ago in Boston, didn’t seem to have a very worried look on his face when asked about the team’s goaltending situation. It would be tampering, of course, if he knew he already had a deal with Vokoun assured – and of course I’m not suggesting that’s happened. It just seemed to me that Sherman looked like a guy who already knew what will happen regarding the goalie.
Remember, Anderson did a charity thing in Denver not long before he was signed – the only guy not from the Avs to take part.
I think they know too…but I suspect it may be a trade, not a FA
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jun 17, 2011 9:26 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
At the very worst, it’s a harding type gamble. At best it’s Vokoun or someone comparable. I am ok with that.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
Sign Vokoun and sign Harding as his backup.
I never really liked Cleveland anyway – they can put either Lil’ Tank or Drew Carey in goal. Don’t think I care much either way.
2010-2011 Colorado Avalanche: Hugging the cap floor and waiting on their revenue share, because hey, billionaires need welfare too!
If it was a trade though, would it already of happened. Otherwise, I don’t see how you could be confident about a trade that hasn’t happened yet.
Avs trade the No. 2 to the Panthers for the No. 3 and the rights to Vokoun?
4th biggest pessimist of MHH.
"There's always next season." -- Jimmy Howard on not winning the Calder Trophy.
if it involves a draft pick, the other team might not want it announced until the draft. or, they may have a couple of trade options in the works. or, sherman is crazy.
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jun 17, 2011 9:43 AM MDT up reply actions
Or they announce early next week. Just trying to avoid the cup finals.
by MalachiConstant on Jun 17, 2011 9:45 AM MDT up reply actions
not worth that, Brz for a 3rd to philly, moving down a spot has to be worth way more than a 3rd.
Available for a 3rd round pick.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jun 17, 2011 10:51 AM MDT up reply actions
I have a big opinion on the possibility of Vokoun coming here
But I think I’ll save my thoughts for a different website. One where I like the writing staff a lot better
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by Jibblescribbits on Jun 17, 2011 9:41 AM MDT reply actions
you have a writing staff? we need to get one of those
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jun 17, 2011 9:42 AM MDT up reply actions
He’s plugging some blog. But I never know what it’s called.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
I haven’t been there in years, the top guy is kind of a jerk and likes the fLames
maybe.
Datsyuk may have done it first, but he learned it from Peter Forsberg.
Thanks for everything Foppa!
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by Americanario on Jun 17, 2011 9:44 AM MDT up reply actions
My writing staff:
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by Jibblescribbits on Jun 17, 2011 9:45 AM MDT up reply actions
How else would my writing staff post?
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by Jibblescribbits on Jun 17, 2011 10:13 AM MDT up reply actions
I like that you didn’t contend the dork part for even a second. That shows self-awareness, something none of our staff is allowed to have.
If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!
In the past week I made Comic Book, Video Game, and math jokes. Hell I made made bra-ket notation jokes a few days ago, knowing full well that only a handful of people might get them. (it’s only used in advanced Quantum Mechanics…)
I don’t think I can deny my inner dork.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jun 17, 2011 10:20 AM MDT up reply actions
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by MalachiConstant on Jun 17, 2011 10:25 AM MDT up reply actions
I freaking love Brak.
Mr. Fuji, the devious ways that you put in my mind will come to use.
by Dan Winkler on Jun 17, 2011 10:45 AM MDT up reply actions
Why you hate me Jibble :(
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by UZ on Jun 18, 2011 3:11 AM MDT up reply actions
He wants to come here to win a cup? Crap, he just failed his wonderlic test.
We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.
TSN Expert: “You’d have to be crazy to take a job as a goalie with the Avalanche right now.”
Vokoun: “I better get that extended warranty from Best Buy. And while I’m at it, put $100 on the Cubs to win it all.”
Avs: “Here’s $5M a year.”
4th biggest pessimist of MHH.
"There's always next season." -- Jimmy Howard on not winning the Calder Trophy.
Avs just announced the Govnrs Park draft party on twitter. We still doing fox and hound instead? They went so far as to call it the “official” draft party. They got wind of the competition!
I'll keep this brief.
Absolutely we're still doing FnH!!
I’ll be putting up another post about it on Monday.
aka Beachie (Look, Ma, I've gone legit!)
In Rick Pracey we trust (unless he picks Herpaderp)
by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 17, 2011 9:54 AM MDT up reply actions
Yeah. I got an invite for it with VIP status attached. They do things like that late all the time. Not too smart, IMO. But ours will be better! Even if Quincey won’t be at ours and will be at theirs.
aka Beachie (Look, Ma, I've gone legit!)
In Rick Pracey we trust (unless he picks Herpaderp)
by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 17, 2011 10:02 AM MDT up reply actions
Do you have Hunwick coming?
Available for a 3rd round pick.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jun 17, 2011 11:42 AM MDT up reply actions
No, but I’m sure there are plenty of puck bunnies out there who do.
aka Beachie (Look, Ma, I've gone legit!)
In Rick Pracey we trust (unless he picks Herpaderp)
by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 17, 2011 12:03 PM MDT up reply actions
Beachie 1, Sean 0
Available for a 3rd round pick.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jun 17, 2011 12:11 PM MDT up reply actions
Um
Quincey… maybe Winnik…
It's all about the A-
by Sandie Gauthier on Jun 17, 2011 1:48 PM MDT up reply actions
Headline: Fox And Hound is the true official draft party of the Colorado Avalanche
Maybe
Maybe
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by Jibblescribbits on Jun 17, 2011 10:00 AM MDT up reply actions
Since MHH is the advertising and Marketing department for the Avs
maybe
Datsyuk may have done it first, but he learned it from Peter Forsberg.
Thanks for everything Foppa!
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by Americanario on Jun 17, 2011 11:28 AM MDT up reply actions
bad translation
As much as I would like to see Vokoun sign with Avs the original Czech article doesn’t say that he wants to go to Colorado and that he thinks Colorado is a cup contender. Vokoun says that he would like to go to contender and later the author speculates that Colorado is reportedly interested in him. The translation is simply wrong. Believe me I am Czech.
Boooooooooooooooooooooooo. Don’t you go bringing your accurate translations in here!!
aka Beachie (Look, Ma, I've gone legit!)
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by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 17, 2011 10:03 AM MDT up reply actions
Thanks for ruining my Friday, Manadu. I HOPE YOU HAVE A REALLY BAD DAY!
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by Dan Winkler on Jun 17, 2011 10:20 AM MDT up reply actions
OK I was just joking. It actaully says that he already agreed to sign with avs for 5 years, 1 milion per year.
THANK. YOU.
Because....fuck the Red Wings!
by StiflersMom on Jun 17, 2011 10:43 AM MDT up reply actions
maybe
Maybe
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by Jibblescribbits on Jun 17, 2011 10:43 AM MDT up reply actions
Feed our dreams. They are all that we have.
We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.
by Bob in Boulder on Jun 17, 2011 10:44 AM MDT up reply actions
Phew!
You had me worried.
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by Dan Winkler on Jun 17, 2011 10:46 AM MDT up reply actions
Curious
If you have time, could you do a full translation of the article. The Oiler’s blog seems to suggest that Vokoun offered the Avs name, it’s a lot different if the interviewer brought up the avs.
Maybe
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by Jibblescribbits on Jun 17, 2011 10:04 AM MDT up reply actions
Here is the link, it is quite long. Please google translate it. It is too long. I checked and all the important parts are translated well enough to understand.
Looks to me like he pretty much says he is on the next flight to denver with a writing staff in his hand.
by Pinchy The Lobster on Jun 17, 2011 10:22 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
He totally has a better writing staff than Jibs though. Vokun’s is modeled after Radagast’s.
by MalachiConstant on Jun 17, 2011 10:26 AM MDT up reply actions
A writing staff?
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by Dan Winkler on Jun 17, 2011 10:46 AM MDT up reply actions
(see the dorky pic above)
Maybe
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by Jibblescribbits on Jun 17, 2011 10:51 AM MDT up reply actions
I am starting to talk like now like google translator will do now forever.
Available for a 3rd round pick.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jun 17, 2011 12:00 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Manadu is correct. There is no link in the article between Vokoun wanting to play for a contender and the Avs. Sadly, Vokoun is not, in fact, insane.
We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.
by Bob in Boulder on Jun 17, 2011 10:40 AM MDT up reply actions
Sadly, Vokoun is not, in fact, insane.
This is a goalie you’re talking about, of course he’s insane. I bet that if we all send him THIS PICTURE he’s gonna buy a house in Denver soon enough.
Because....fuck the Red Wings!
by StiflersMom on Jun 17, 2011 10:53 AM MDT up reply actions
Dang, I thought it would be a pic of Lauren.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jun 17, 2011 10:55 AM MDT up reply actions
I’m sorry. To make up for the disappointment, I’m gonna share THIS HOT PIC (kinda NSFW) with you.
Because....fuck the Red Wings!
by StiflersMom on Jun 17, 2011 10:57 AM MDT up reply actions
Worn with Pride
The artist formerly known as Canucklehead. Till that whole riot thing.
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by Cole D Hamilton on Jun 17, 2011 12:31 PM MDT up reply actions
Aha!
Google translator said that he had another hilarious season last year. So he’d definitely fit in here.
We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.
by Bob in Boulder on Jun 17, 2011 10:37 AM MDT reply actions
Lol I posted this before I passed out at 4 am last night and there’s 200 comments already. Surprised me. =P I for one am thrilled that Vokoun is considering Colorado even if it was through the reporters. I simply think since our defense is quite young and void of experience (most certainly not talent though) we really could use someone who is used to being under pressure. Once again if this is true I don’t know what exactly got our lovely Sherman Tank moving whether it be Joe Sakic or something else but I’m pretty thrilled. I personally think picking up Joakim Lindstrom was a steal. He seems like a late bloomer and has only been getting better when you look at his stats. Props to Sherman.
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Maybe it's not so far-fetched
Came across George Richards’s blog (he’s the beat writer for the Panthers) and he notes that someone “close to the Panthers” just last week said that Vokoun might go to the Avs.
As far as the Colorado thing goes, one person close to the Panthers mentioned the Avs as a potential landing spot for Vokoun just last week. And Adrian Dater in Colorado seems to think something is up.
Well, the “something” that’s up just seem to be that Sherman didn’t break out into a cold sweat when (allegedly, see below) asked about the goalie situation. Maybe it’s because he’s got Vokoun in the back of his mind, maybe it’s because he thinks Brian Elliott will be fine as the No. 1, but who knows?
Anyway, Richards is nice enough to link to Dater, even though all Dater did was speculate about Sherman’s body language* which, as we all know, is a crime bad blogging.
You know what I’d like and/or would be good journalism? I’d like to know what Sherman said when asked about the goalie situation. Did he actually have anything to say? Did he just say “I’m not worried,” or did he say more? Did he just grin like a Cheshire cat? Did he sit on a park bench and eat chocolates? I don’t fucking know, because Dater didn’t fucking explain it in his “post.”
Here’s the link to the entire post. And peruse the blog to, yet again, see an example of what a beat writer’s blog should look like.
http://miamiherald.typepad.com/flapanthers/2011/06/tomas-vokoun-moving-out.html
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by Dan Winkler on Jun 17, 2011 5:47 PM MDT reply actions
Sorry for not citing where this came from
It was in Puck Daddy’s “Puck Headlines” today.
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by Dan Winkler on Jun 17, 2011 5:56 PM MDT up reply actions
And here’s a link to the search engine that helped Dan find the blog post about the blog post about the article….
Your logical buzzkillery is ruining my already shitty jokes.
Wrong, sir, I use Google.
Mr. Fuji, the devious ways that you put in my mind will come to use.
by Dan Winkler on Jun 17, 2011 11:04 PM MDT up reply actions
Comments in the Dater post
I am Polish and can read a bit Czech and I’m telling you that edmonton journal guy made a translation which is even worse than the Google Translator.
Vokoun is never saying Avs could be a cup contender soon, he is saying he would mostly like to re-sign in Florida or sign with the Flyers.
Further on he’s saying Phoenix and Colorado might be other options as well.
I have been an Avs fan since they came to Denver. I also speak Czech.
I read the article in the Czech online paper (link below) and it unfortunately does NOT say he is interested in Colorado and it does NOT say he thinks Colorado can win the Cup. The CZ writer simply states that Phoneix and Colorado are likely to have an interest in Vokoun.
by Chris S Roberts on Jun 17, 2011 7:47 PM MDT reply actions
I can’t believe he banged the lounge singer and didn’t bang Scarlett Johansson.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jun 18, 2011 9:48 AM MDT up reply actions
I know, right? I’m still shaking my head at him for that.
Would rather watch paint dry than watch a Minnesota Wild game.
by Chris Damasceno on Jun 18, 2011 9:52 AM MDT up reply actions
I can’t believe two people watched that movie, and can identify something that took place within.
Your logical buzzkillery is ruining my already shitty jokes.
Pretty decent movie, actually. And I love Bill Murray. And Scarlett Johansson.
We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.
by Bob in Boulder on Jun 18, 2011 9:56 AM MDT up reply actions
I like to pretend I don’t live in a universe where someone like Bill Murray could tap someone like scarlet Johansson. Yeah, I saw it too…..
Your logical buzzkillery is ruining my already shitty jokes.
not me
If that universe exists, then there is still hope for me.
We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.
by Bob in Boulder on Jun 18, 2011 10:05 AM MDT up reply actions
You mean in the same universe in which you might be remotely as cool as Bill Murray?
OK.
2010-2011 Colorado Avalanche: Hugging the cap floor and waiting on their revenue share, because hey, billionaires need welfare too!
You know, I wasn’t a massive fan of that movie…
It's all about the A-
by Sandie Gauthier on Jun 18, 2011 1:45 PM MDT up reply actions
I am Polish and can read a bit Czech and I’m telling you that edmonton journal guy made a translation which is even worse than the Google Translator.
Vokoun is never saying Avs could be a cup contender soon, he is saying he would mostly like to re-sign in Florida or sign with the Flyers.
Further on he’s saying Phoenix and Colorado might be other options as well.
Shut up Wojtek.
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by Hopfenkopf on Jun 17, 2011 8:15 PM MDT up reply actions 5 recs
In Soviet Poland, Wojtek signs you.
by Chris S Roberts on Jun 17, 2011 10:57 PM MDT up reply actions
I hope the other blogs that hate us don’t see this thread…
“Hey! Look how happy all of those beautiful assholes got over at MHH from a bad translation. Cup contenders? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
At least, that’s what I would do.
Your logical buzzkillery is ruining my already shitty jokes.
Shortly after the article was posted, I saw that the original article made no mention of Vokoun actually wanting to come here or that he thought we were Cup contenders. Then this thread went up. Didn’t want to ruin it for the rest of you. Figured I’d let you all find a little bit of happiness about something. Rest assured, our fate lies in Harding. Phoenix probably nabs Vokoun. However, if things happened the other way around I’d be pretty stoked.
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You know our fate lies in: Elliott/Grahame, Co-starters.
Your logical buzzkillery is ruining my already shitty jokes.
Hardinnnnngggggggggggggggggg
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by A.J. Haefele on Jun 18, 2011 10:38 AM MDT up reply actions
With Emery as 1B / Backup? YESPREESE!
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haha
Since a team focused so hardcore on character is likely to be in a hurry to add a crazy fuck like Emery to the locker room.
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by A.J. Haefele on Jun 18, 2011 1:03 PM MDT up reply actions
It could be exciting. Duchene: “Oh shit, Ray just stabbed Sacco!” Stastny: “Relax, it was with a fucking Sharpie.”
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by Randy Time on Jun 18, 2011 6:03 PM MDT up reply actions 3 recs
By all accounts he was loved in Anaheim this year.
Maybe
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by Jibblescribbits on Jun 18, 2011 7:48 PM MDT up reply actions
2011-2012
10 Forwards and Theodore, Elliott and Raycroft each play a period. Budaj plays in shootouts only
The artist formerly known as Canucklehead. Till that whole riot thing.
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by Cole D Hamilton on Jun 18, 2011 12:15 PM MDT up reply actions
This would make losing a game soooo much cooler for the viewers. I think we should adapt that philosophy.
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by GeorgeInLimbo on Jun 18, 2011 3:42 PM MDT up reply actions
I think the goalie will come through a trade. They may snag Vokoun, but I’m thinking the team wants longevity. Don’t put too much thought into your #11 draft pick.
"It's not my fault I never learned to accept responsibility."-Woody Paige
by GeorgeInLimbo on Jun 18, 2011 3:41 PM MDT up reply actions
Phoenix ain’t spending money on Vokoun.
And what do you make of Richards’s comment that someone in the Panthers org speculated that Colorado might a landing place for Vokoun? Where there’s smoke there’s fire..
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by Dan Winkler on Jun 18, 2011 7:02 PM MDT up reply actions
Speculation is just that. Smoke is often just a burnt out campfire. Call me tainted, but throughout my years of service in the military I’ve learned to not count my chickens before they hatch and that rumors happen. I don’t believe it til I see it.
While Phoenix may not want to spend money on Vokoun, they’re struggling to stay where they’re at. Bringing in a top tier goalie can keep fans in the seats and bring new ones in. Whether they want to be or not, they’re in win now mode as far as making it to the playoffs is concerned. A year or two of tanking ensures that they’re moving.
There are a lot of places where Vokoun could end up. Colorado may be one of them, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he went somewhere else.
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Fun fact
The most viewed potential buyout over the last 10 days on CapGeek is none other than Roberto Luongo! That might be the worst buyout ever, actually.
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It's like Yashin on crack.
Roberto Luongo is 32 years old on the buyout date of June 18, 2011, setting the buyout ratio at 2/3 and the total buyout cost at $36,000,000 spread over 22 years.
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by A.J. Haefele on Jun 18, 2011 10:42 AM MDT up reply actions
They save a ton of money up front
and the cap hit the last 11 (lmao) years is only like $1.6 but…still…
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by A.J. Haefele on Jun 18, 2011 11:03 AM MDT up reply actions
I doubt he gets bought out. Just after a massive choke job like that I can see why some people are interested. He still has value around the league I think, not a lot given the contract. If I am correct in this, he does not have a NMC clause which means they can send him down to the AHL.
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Oh lol
They aren’t moving him. He has what amounts to a lifetime contract. I just found it really amusing that the people who visit CapGeek were checking into the potential buyout of Luongo for the lulz.
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by A.J. Haefele on Jun 18, 2011 11:17 AM MDT up reply actions
Oh absolutely. If he manages to choke like that again a couple more times, a buyout is a possibility. I think he is going to choke like that again many more times though.
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I think Vancouver’s day of success is over.
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I think this is kind of silly
They have a lot of cap space to play with. I think I’ll reserve judgment until after they make a few moves in free agency because the core of that team is still signed.
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by A.J. Haefele on Jun 18, 2011 12:25 PM MDT up reply actions
I’m with you, but I see why people are saying this kind of stuff. The core of the team is what got the most criticism, and also underperformed when it counted. However, this is also the same team that was one win away from the Stanley Cup. Can you imagine what would have happened if the Pens had blown up their team after losing to Detroit? I think Vancouver would be wise to keep most of the team together and try again next season.
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I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?
Yeah
And they still have some talent in the pipeline. Everybody seems to have forgotten Cody Hodgson is pretty good at the game of hockey. He’s been injured quite a bit so it’s been a struggle for him but if he ever gets healthy, he’s only going to add to the excellent scoring depth they already possess. They can do pretty much whatever they want with their defense with the money they have and people seem to forget THEY PLAY IN THE WORST DIVISION IN HOCKEY. At the verrrrrrrry least they’re a HEAVY favorite in the division and should have home ice advantage for at least one round of the playoffs.
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by A.J. Haefele on Jun 18, 2011 1:21 PM MDT up reply actions
Cody Hodgson is overrated. I know he’s young and he’ll get better…but I havn’t even seen flashes of talent when he plays…just boring plain stuff. He’s done nothing that makes me say, oh wow, this guys going to be a star in the league.
I know Vancouver has a set top 6 and Hodgson’s best minutes come when he was on the third line. But he’s been a let down from what I heard from Canuck fans.
They were saying he was like Matt Duchene but better…I know Matt’s had a much better shot being able to play top minutes but even in his first few games, he has that buzz about him.
1) They cannot maintain the same blue line. Granted, it will still be good but it won’t be the same.
2) The Sedins were exposed. More so in the playoffs then every before. Teams will see that they do not adapt well to physical play. It’s not like they played badly, they were nearly non-existent and a non-factor. That’s important. Their entire team is designed around them.
I, at no point, said they wouldn’t be good. They should be very good. However, their days of pure success and running over the league are over. I think the team dynamic has changed and that air of invincibility is gone. Added to this is the fact that the Northwest Division should get better next year and MUCH better the year after that. That makes Vancouver’s schedule harder.
Their core is the Sedins, Kesler, Luongo and Bieksa/Hamuis. That is very different than Pittsburgh’s core after losing to Detroit, Detroit’s core, Philly’s, Washington’s etc. It’s still very good, but it does’t seems as perennial powerful as some other teams who maintained President’s Trophy level play over a group of seasons.
I can’t speak to their pipelines per se, but outside of Hodgson, I don’t see any replacements for the Sedins in the future if their play should drop off.
My comment was not based in their loss, but the fact that their team seemed built for a one shot run. Of course all their D could take a discount and they could add some offensive talent. But, that would be the best case scenario. The worst case scenario is that most of their UFA’s leave and their replacement do not mesh and/or play as well.
I think they’ll make the playoffs and probably win the division at that, but i I think based on my analysis that this season was their pinnacle, at least for the present.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
One win from the Cup
is a pretty respectable pinnacle. But you saying their run of success is over is way overblown imo. That’s a very talented roster. Their D doesn’t need to take a discount. There are lots of solid guys and I imagine Vancouver will be a team players want to play for and again, they have $13 million without the expected couple million jump in the cap so they have some wiggle room here. Even if they decide to go status quo and bring back their current FA, Ehrhoff and Salo won’t both cost the same $3 million+ they did on their last contracts. Bieksa is the only one should cost any real money and that gives them 6 D there (I think Tanev played well enough to justify him starting next season in the NHL). They’ll have plenty of money to do what they need to.
I think Vancouver’s biggest problem is they had an easy season within their own division and next year improvements to Calgary and Colorado especially should provide more resistance. All the other teams in the West had to battle it out like animals just to make the playoffs and played playoff caliber teams on a near nightly basis whereas Vancouver enjoyed destroying the league’s worst division. I don’t think the Sedins were “exposed” anymore this year than in the past. The book has been out on them. They were drafted in 1999 ffs. Guys don’t suddenly get figured out in their 12th years.
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by A.J. Haefele on Jun 18, 2011 2:54 PM MDT up reply actions
The Sedins have not been this good until 2 years ago. They then exploded. I think their skill came into its own and hit another gear. I think since that, the book has not been out. Even it has, maybe a playoff under-perfromance like this will have several coaches (ARE YOU READING SACCO???) play more physical on them.
We have no idea what their defense will be but it won’t be the same I don’t think it will be as good or as deep which backstopped their season.
My point was that their “success” is the President Trophy season where they walked over everyone. That is a level of success few teams can maintain. I don’t think that Vancouver will maintain it for the reasons I said.
You are taking what I said and extrapolating. They had a great season, but I don’t think they can keep that level. That was my point. You are taking it and assuming I am saying they will miss the playoffs. There are a group of teams who are better suited to keep a high level of pay, season after season. I don’t think Vancouver has that and I think they will regress a bit next year.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
I’m with you, they were one win away from the cup, and beat three pretty good teams to get there. They were also the best team all season. Anything other than a small deviation is a huge panic.
Maybe
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by Jibblescribbits on Jun 18, 2011 7:50 PM MDT up reply actions
I still think they were incredibly lucky to get past Chicago with the way Corey Crawford was playing. Luongo has proved to be largely unreliable in the playoffs a la Nabby. The top line pulled a disappearing act when they were needed most. While I don’t think it’s a cause for them to start trading core guys it is reason for them to take a long hard look at themselves and realize what they need to do if they want to succeed at that level again. Other than that they’re just a perennial playoff team that won’t win a Cup.
The biggest thing I think they lacked once they got to the Final is heart. They didn’t play like they deserved to be there. The 3 games they won weren’t super decisive wins. They never came out on their home ice and played like they wanted it. They talked a lot of shit, but when it came down to it, Boston played like they wanted it and deserved it.
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I’m with See 6 Whores…they looked like no one could beat them in the regular season, but at no point in the playoffs were you like, wow, this team is destined to win the cup. They were exposed in the Chicago series, Nashville didn’t have the scoring to keep up, and San Jose’s PK let them down big. Boston did what I thought San Jose should’ve done, play them hard and hit them.
In the finals they looked like a shell of there former selves. Only in one game did I honestly think, they could go all the way. (And stepping back, that was that blowout win against the Sharks where most of the goals came in the final minutes on all those PP chances.)
More info on the Voukon interview, or was it?
Draft Larsson and McNeil + Pray for Divine Intervention in goal = Kick ass.
You realize
This is already linked in the post you’re commenting on, right?
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by A.J. Haefele on Jun 18, 2011 2:55 PM MDT up reply actions
You’re in a bad mood.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
Ugh I really am
So many things are frustrating me today. I need to clean my desk and it’s just such a mess right now. Ugh. Need a girlfriend to come clean this for me.
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by A.J. Haefele on Jun 18, 2011 3:26 PM MDT up reply actions
i agree, that would be helpful. You could just switch desks with someone.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
Duuuuude.
That’s a fantastic idea. Issue is this desk is really, really heavy and I live on the second floor. I do have a window, though…hmmmm…
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by A.J. Haefele on Jun 18, 2011 3:31 PM MDT up reply actions
Where is the nearest desk? Is it chuckable and replaceable?
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
Nearest desk is the one I'm using.
Only other option is my roommates desk, which he hasn’t used a single time since we moved in. It’s one of those compact lightweight pieces of plastic trash they sell at IKEA and get away with it because people are idiots and flock to the box that says SPACE SAVER instead of actually looking at the shitty model on the floor. Replacing wouldn’t be a problem because I doubt he’d even notice until we eventually move out.
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by A.J. Haefele on Jun 18, 2011 3:42 PM MDT up reply actions
Keep your hands off mine, buddy.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 18, 2011 8:15 PM MDT up reply actions
Women always tellin me this god damn
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by A.J. Haefele on Jun 18, 2011 10:03 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Time to put the sensual into non-consensual.
Toronto Maple Leafs: Where NHL players hopes and dreams go to die.
brb
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
Mile High Hockey : Where B- is different than C+
by A.J. Haefele on Jun 18, 2011 10:10 PM MDT up reply actions
I’m not your buddy, guy.
Available for a 3rd round pick.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jun 18, 2011 11:12 PM MDT up reply actions
I’m not your guy, friend.
The artist formerly known as Canucklehead. Till that whole riot thing.
Thanks Footer
by Cole D Hamilton on Jun 18, 2011 11:13 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm not your friend, buddy
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
Mile High Hockey : Where B- is different than C+
by A.J. Haefele on Jun 18, 2011 11:18 PM MDT up reply actions
With these editors notes piling up this will soon be the longest article in MHH history… in fanshot form.
The 2011 Colorado Rockies - Starring Johnny Herrera as THE ANSWER
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Burgundy Wave - SBnation's Colorado Rapids site
Crystal Palace FC - Eternally a point from relegation (._. )
It’s like the editors all want to show their power and thus make a comment in the “original” post instead of in the comments.
That or it’s just a fan shot pissing contest.
Datsyuk may have done it first, but he learned it from Peter Forsberg.
Thanks for everything Foppa!
Footer: We'll miss seeing you clear the riff raff off your lawn.
by Americanario on Jun 19, 2011 11:29 AM MDT up reply actions
I blame the hipsters.
Because....fuck the Red Wings!
by StiflersMom on Jun 19, 2011 1:39 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why can’t it be both?
#FireBobBradley
2011 Buffalo Bills - as of right now, guaranteed not to lose a game this year!
Burgundy Wave - SBnation's Colorado Rapids site
Crystal Palace FC - Eternally a point from relegation (._. )
by UZ on Jun 20, 2011 2:57 PM MDT up reply actions
umad?
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
Mile High Hockey : Where B- is different than C+
by A.J. Haefele on Jun 19, 2011 1:58 PM MDT up reply actions
I am annoyed with the Congressional
Could they make the course any bloody easier
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
I know, right? I didn’t see a single windmill or anything there. Bor-ring!
That's no moon...
by notapunk on Jun 19, 2011 6:26 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
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