Final Grade: Daniel Winnik
This report card is a joint effort by Beachie, Sandie, Paul, SlamDunktheFunk and DDC. Stats courtesy of hockey-reference.com and NHL.com
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Final Grade: C+
Midseason Grade: A- (really?)
Last Year: N/A
Position:
- LW 46gp 5g 10a 15pt +4
- RW 34gp 6g 5a 11pt -6
Lines:
- 1st 2gp 0g 1a 1pt +1
- 2nd 14gp 4g 5a 9pt +5
- 3rd 60gp 6g 9a 15pt -6
- 4th 4gp 1g 0a 1pt -2
Vitals: 6'2" / 210 lbs / Age 26 / Shoots R
Drafted by Phoenix in the 9th round (265th) in the 2004 Entry Draft
Joined Avalanche: Traded by Phoenix to the Avalanche on June 28, 2010 for a fourth round pick in the 2012 Entry Draft.
MHH Nicknames:
Linemates:
LW:
- McLeod 13gp 2g 0a 2pt -2
- Olver 7gp 3g 2a 5pt +1
- Porter 7gp 1g 2a 3pt -
- Galiardi 3gp 0g 0a 0pt Even
- Jones 2gp 0g 1a 1pt Even
- Yip 2gp 0g 0a 0pt -1
- O'Reilly 1gp 0g 0a 0pt -1
- Stoa 1gp 0g 0a 0pt -1
C
- O'Reilly 49gp 7g 10a 17pt Even
- Duchene 9gp 4g 2a 6pt +1
- McClement 9gp 0g 0a 0pt -2
- Dupuis 4gp 0g 1a 1pt -1
- Stastny 4gp 0g 2a 2pt +3
- Galiardi 3gp 0g 0a 0pt -2
- Porter 2gp 0g 0a 0pt -1
RW:
- Mauldin 10gp 1g 4a 5pt +2
- Jones 4gp 0g 2a 2pt +1
- Koci 4gp 1g 0a 1pt -2
- Porter 3gp 1g 0a 1pt +2
- Hejduk 3gp 0g 1a 1pt +3
Avs with Winnik in the lineup: 29-43-8 (.413 pt%) 2.79 GF 3.51 GA
Ice Time:
- TTOI 16:32 (8th)
- EV 13:28 (9th)
- PK 2:44 (2nd)
- PP 0:20 (14th)
Career Highlights: Winnik exactly matched his career high in goals (11), assists (15) and points (26).
Report: Certainly Winnik's highlight moment of the year was against Columbus (is it any reason the fans hate Colorado- besides the Foote debacle?) when with 3.3 seconds left in the third period he scored to tie the game up and force overtime. Surprisingly, the Avalanche even went on to win that game in the shootout. One of the rare wins for the Avs during the second half of the season. Unfortunately this timely scoring was not indicative of his scoring touch, unless you look at his short-handed goals, which he had two and a tie for the most of the team and 16th in the league. Interestingly, he also scored 2 power play goals and 6 goals occured in the third period. He was relied on heavily during penalty kill situations and avaraged almost 3 minutes on the PK per game.
For such a large man, he doesn't seem to want to get dirty in the corners and fight for the puck. He only had one fight this year, and it was against Derek Dorsett of the Blue Jackets on February 11th (can the Avs play against them more?). According to hockeyfights.com he was the winner of that fight (75% of votes).
Winnik has been a great third-line player and a great defensive-minded addition to the Avalanche. He is a the same guy game after game. With Winnik you know what you'll be getting every game, which is a great thing, especially when it comes to the penalty kill when he can single-handedly kill off 30 seconds or more by stick-handling the puck around the opposing players and giving the Avlanche a chance to recoup.
Fun Fact: Former 9th round picks who have played for the Avalanche: Winnik (2004), David Jones (2003), Brian Elliott (2003), Darren Haydar (1999), Brett McLean (1997), Wyatt Smith (1997) and Ken Klee (90). John Grahame (1994) has worn the unipron on the bench, but has not appeared on the ice. Interestingly, three goalies mentioned as potential Avalanche acquisitions this summer - Evgeni Nabokov, Tomas Vokoun and Johan Hedberg - were 9th round picks from 1994 (along with Grahame, former Hershey Bears' Frederic Cassivi and Tim Thomas).
The Dan Winnik Drinking Game: Drink when Winnik takes an unsuccessful shot on net Drunk potential: High; Winnik was 4th among forwards in shots (just 3 less than Hejduk!) but just 4 forwards had a lower shooting percentage (Dupuis, Stoa, McClement and Forsberg).
What We Said at midseason: He may not have the best stats, but he is fantastic on the special teams, great in corners, and his defensive plays are terrific. To get a higher grade he needs to improve his face off %. It's far too low for my liking.
2010 Cap Hit: $950,000
2011 Status: Signed for 1 more year (UFA at expiry)
Outlook for Next Season: Winnik projects to again be the Avs' 3rd line left winger, with the ability to move to the right side (or up in the depth chart) if needed. We were hoping to type that Winnik had bad luck with a miserable shooting percentage last year (6.6%) which might label him as a potential breakout candidate. But, surprise surprise, that just happens to be his career shooting percentage as well. So, we think we'll be getting more of the same next year...and that's not a bad thing.
Next Up: Jonas Holos (get those typing fingers warmed up, Dan)
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And if fails on the 3rd line, Sandie has a nice spot in Canada getting warmed up for him.
Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?
Not if we draft Landeskog, although she may have to fight andidee for the big Swede.
Draft Larsson and McNeil + Sign Bryzgalov = Kick ass.
by niwotsblessing on Jun 6, 2011 8:07 AM MDT up reply actions
Beachie has the new love as well, but I think her heart will always be JML
Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?
Oh, trust me, JML has my heart forever. Landy is pure lust.
In Rick Pracey we trust
by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 6, 2011 8:44 AM MDT up reply actions
Why can’t they both be both? Women are so confusing….
Your logical buzzkillery is ruining my already shitty jokes.
Landeskog is a little young to have my heart. I’m all for going younger, but that’s just a little too young. Although, my grandmother did marry a guy 19 years her junior…
In Rick Pracey we trust
by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 6, 2011 9:17 AM MDT up reply actions
Nope, still far more a Winnik fan than a Landeskog fan.
It's all about the A-
by Sandie Gauthier on Jun 6, 2011 8:51 AM MDT up reply actions
Winnick is one of those guys that gets a higher grade in the context of his roll but if you are talking in terms of overall team he gets an average grade. Thus goes the bottom 6 grading.
"I’m predicting 50pts in the NHL for Hensick next season. Anyone want to put $20 on it?" - DetAvs, Jun 18, 2010 3:45 AM EDT
by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Jun 6, 2011 7:56 AM MDT reply actions
Winnik? I personally thought he was one of the harder workers for the most part.
I am the most humble blogger of all time
by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jun 6, 2011 8:09 AM MDT up reply actions
When Forsberg joined the team and immediately looked better than 90% of them, it doesn’t say a lot for the team, either.
Adam Foote - Warrior
Maybe, but it’s Peter Fricking Forsberg. He’s going to look better than 90% of the LEAGUE.
"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck" -Obi Wan Kenobi
I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?
And yet, he wasn’t content to be better than 90%. Sigh.
Forever grateful that Joe Sakic isn't a raging dick hole like Brett Favre.
by Rather Dashing on Jun 6, 2011 11:33 AM MDT up reply actions
We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.
by Bob in Boulder on Jun 6, 2011 9:50 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
i thought he looked motivated in general, but he wasn’t motivated to play a physical game often enough. He still seems to think he’s a more finesse guy, as I’m sure he was at lower levels, and the sooner he figures out that he needs to play the body ALL THE FREAKING TIME the better.
"I’m predicting 50pts in the NHL for Hensick next season. Anyone want to put $20 on it?" - DetAvs, Jun 18, 2010 3:45 AM EDT
Hensick stats: 13 games, 1g/2a/3p THOMAS/DETAVS: I WANT MY $20
Pretty good defensive positional-wise, doesn’t hit enough, doesn’t score. I’d have given him a c- but that’s just quibbling. I expect him to have a career year next year—if only beacause of that UFA bounce.
Available for a 3rd round pick.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jun 6, 2011 8:48 AM MDT reply actions
I’d like to petition for an increase of one letter grade for his ability to keep a constant stubble beard all year. That’s not easy.
Your logical buzzkillery is ruining my already shitty jokes.
But it is appreciated.
It's all about the A-
by Sandie Gauthier on Jun 6, 2011 8:55 AM MDT up reply actions
I have never met a woman that appreciated the stubble. I have always been told it was to itchy or scratchy, especially on the more sensitive areas.
I must be talking to the wrong women.
Maybe it looks good to some, but in real life, it just doesn’t work.
Your logical buzzkillery is ruining my already shitty jokes.
This is true in some cases. But it also depends on the length of the stubble and the guy’s genetics. Some guys can get that stubble just right so it looks hot and feels soft.
In Rick Pracey we trust
by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 6, 2011 12:55 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t know what you’re on about. Stubble beards are the easiest to maintain. All you need is a trimmer. Life would be 15% better if stubble hears were more widely excepted in the working world.
That being said, I’m still cool with the grade inflation for the beard. If only for solidarity’s sake.
by MalachiConstant on Jun 6, 2011 9:36 AM MDT up reply actions
Seemed short for a trimmer. Maybe I’m over stating the dificulty of the stubble beard.
Your logical buzzkillery is ruining my already shitty jokes.
Meh, I still agree with you. Apparently I just felt like being a pain in the ass in the process.
by MalachiConstant on Jun 6, 2011 10:08 AM MDT up reply actions
Biggest weaknesses: Refusal to finish checks and definitely wins the award for most dreadfully long shifts.
Biggest strengths: Had some memorable games and does show some promise. Ability to cycle the puck in the offensive zone on the rare occasions when the Avs occupied said zone.
We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.
World. Rocked.
I thought for sure that the fan favorite/imaginary tough guy would get at least a B. I don’t even know you people any more.
To be completely fair, I wonder if this is a case (one of many) where the eye test fails. I think Winnik’s Corsi numbers are pretty good (I think Jibs or DDC dug something up about that). Also, Phoenix’s PK was really good his last season there (although that might go back to the adage that your goalie is your best penalty killer). I can’t bitch about Winnik’s salary or how he’s performing based on expectations from his initial draft position, or what we gave up for him.
But there’s something that’s just not quite there for me. Again, this could simply be the eye test failing, but it seems like he changed his game from the beginning of the season, after he started having a bit of offensive success, and he got away from what I think a 3rd-liner should do. He really wasn’t very physical (again, that could be my bias that because the guy looks like a caveman that he should hit like one, too, but I expected more from him than 15 minors and 1 sucker-punch fight). It seems to me that he takes long shifts, and that’s selfish (and again, maybe that my bias, because his number say his shifts weren’t terribly long). I’m OK if Peter Forsberg takes a long shift. Not OK when it’s Winnik, so get the fuck off the ice and know your role, 3rd line guy. The PK sucked (although, again, I think his Corsi numbers were OK). I just wasn’t really feeling it with him.
While we’re here, I’m just gonna throw out a quick comment about Holos. Like every single Avs player (except Brad May), I want Holos to succeed. I imagine it can’t be too easy for a Norwegian to make a transition to the NHL. It’s not like he has a lot of fellow countrymen to talk to about the NHL experience. He’s a young guy and, in addition to trying to play his best hockey, he’s also trying to get used to the country, the city, and the lifestyle. Culture shock, I’m sure, and I wonder who helped him with that? Toward the end of the season, I actually thought he played fairly well in some games (although not nearly as awesomely as his fan boys and girls thought). If Holos is good enough to win a top 6 spot on this team, then I’m gonna cheer my ass off for the guy. What I don’t like, though, is the way that fans shit on other guys and make them scapegoats…and then compound it by playing up how great another guy is, even though there’s absolutely no proof of that. Holos isn’t even the worst example – at least he played a few games before his fans started crowing. It’s especially bad when the crowing starts about a guy who played all of three games in the NHL, yet he’s already supposedly better than guys who have played 100+ games.
Mr. Fuji, the devious ways that you put in my mind will come to use.
by Dan Winkler on Jun 6, 2011 10:49 AM MDT reply actions
But there’s something that’s just not quite there for me. Again, this could simply be the eye test failing, but it seems like he changed his game from the beginning of the season, after he started having a bit of offensive success, and he got away from what I think a 3rd-liner should do.
Yeah, pretty much…
Have we drafted Larsson yet?
I think at times we expect too much from out 3rd/4th line players and too little from our 1st/2nd line players.
Winnik TOI per game was 16:33 average. A tad heavy for a 3rd liner but not crazy. 11 goals and 26 points.
Just to compare what we know was a good if not great line… Yelle/Podein/Messier.
Yelle ©: Avg TOI 14:28 (2001) and 15:51 (1999). Only played 50 games in 2001 and had 4 goals and 14 points. In 1999 he played 79 games and had a modest 8 goals and 22 points with more ice time per game to boot.
Podein (LW): Avg TOI 14:12 (2001). In 82 games he had 15 goals and 32 points. In a full season’s work he averaged around 11 to 15 goals and 8-18 assists.
Messier (RW): Avg TOI 12:16 (2001) and 15:15 (2002). In 64 games in 2001 he had 5 goals and 12 points. In 74 games in 2002 he 5 goals and 15 points.
So while I had some negative feelings about Winnik’s play this season, in the end he was relatively productive with all the crappy play surrounding the entire team. Winnik is producing at nearly the same clip as other current 3rd line guys making themselves famous right now like Higgins,Malhotra,Torres and Lapierre.
Bottom line is that while 3rd/4th liners are important role players and some times vital in the playoffs (shout out to cup champs Chris Dingman and Dave Reid!!) the reality is that the top two lines carry the water. Especially when it comes to regular season success.
I'll keep this brief.
It all goes back to the fact that the scapegoats on the receiving end of the rip jobs are very seldom the guys who really affect the team’s overall record. That’s why the constant ripping on Koci and Wilson drives me freaking crazy. And that’s why Hannan was always a disappointment, because no matter how the Corsi and Pecota numbers are manipulated, he was brought here to be a top-2 defenseman, he was paid like a top-2 defenseman, and he never performed like a top-2 defenseman.
Chris Dingman scaring the crap out of a terrified Scott Gomez (which led to Adam Foote’s soft goal on Fat Marty) is truly one of the key moments of the 2001 Cup.
Mr. Fuji, the devious ways that you put in my mind will come to use.
by Dan Winkler on Jun 6, 2011 12:56 PM MDT up reply actions
I think you just contradicted yourself.
"I’m predicting 50pts in the NHL for Hensick next season. Anyone want to put $20 on it?" - DetAvs, Jun 18, 2010 3:45 AM EDT
by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Jun 6, 2011 2:45 PM MDT up reply actions

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