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Seamless Glass and Injuries

(Well, we've been asking for it for months now.  I finally decided to do the research and find an answer.)

Injuries suck.  We all know this, perhaps better than any other team in the league.  Not only were we the 2nd most injured team with 474 man-games lost, many of the injured players were in our Top 6.  How can a team be competitive when that happens? 

However, this is not the first year we’ve dealt with this.  In ’09-’10, we also were the second most broken team in the league with 340 man-games lost.  However, according to The Hockey News, "The Avs were at least lucky the time missed by its best skaters was minimal."  When that happened, we made the playoffs.  This year, we weren’t so lucky and ended up with the 2nd overall pick. 

How can a team finish second in the league in injuries twice in a row?  There are a few theories; however, one of the most prominent ones focuses on the glass at the Pepsi Center.

 

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Above:  Seamless glass, similar to the style at the Pepsi Center

Below:  The newer style that uses metal between the panes of glass.

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Seamless glass was popularized in the 90’s because it removed the metal dividers between the panes of glass, which allowed fans a better view of the game.  However, because of the way this glass had to be supported, it lacked the give of the more traditional glass.  In a 1997 New York Times article about the emerging glass style, Brendan Shanahan of the Detroit Red Wings stated, "It is very dangerous. It's like running into a brick wall."  Although I’m sure there are quite a few people here who wouldn’t mind seeing Mr. Shanahan (or any of the Red Wings for that matter) run into a brick wall, this is also the glass that the good guys in burgundy and blue have been playing with since that time. 

The Pepsi Center, which was constructed in the late 90s and opened in ’99, uses seamless glass.  Over the years, most of the other teams in the league have come to the conclusion that it leads to more injuries, and currently only six teams league-wide use it (Calgary, Montreal, Minnesota, Nashville, Colorado and Phoenix).  Since the man-games lost to injury stats are notoriously hard to find – especially in the off-season -  I don’t have updated totals, but on March 24th, 2011, those teams stats were:

 

#2 Colorado, 72GP, 385 MGL, 5.35 MGL per game

#4 Minnesota, 73 GP, 363 MGL, 4.97 MLG per game

#5 Calgary, 75 GP, 318 MGL, 4.24 MGL per game

#6 Nashville, 73 GP, 307 MGL, 4.21 MGL per game

#17 Montreal, 74 GP, 194 MGL, 2.62 MLG per game

#27 Phoenix, 75 GP, 110 MGL, 1.47 MGL per game

 

Average of teams with Seamless Glass: 74 GP, 280 MGL, 3.74 MGL per game

Average of teams without Seamless glass:  73 GP, 211 MGL, 2.89 MGL per game

 

The difference between the seamless and non-seamless MGL per game numbers is .85.  This means, on average, a team with seamless glass would lose 70 additional man-games over the course of an 82 game season than teams without it.   And since MGL does not measure the caliber of player sitting out (a game lost by Matt Duchene counts the same as one lost by Matt Hunwick), this could drastically impact a season. 

However, not all injuries are caused by hits into the glass.  Some (such as Fleischmann’s pulmonary emboli midseason), are not hockey injuries and some (like Adam Foote’s broken foot) are caused by other hits/blocked shots/etc.  Of the 47 injuries last year, I was able to rule out 34 because the glass was clearly not involved. Of the remaining 13, some obviously involved hits into the glass, but others were either diagnosed after the game (so the time of injury isn't known) or I couldn't find enough data to rule them out.  With that in mind, here's a list:  


*September 22, Peter Mueller, Concussion, Missed 82 games, vs. Kings in Las Vegas, SEAMLESS GLASS: No

October 21, Adam Foote, Concussion from hit into the glass, Missed 8 Games, vs. Sharks, SEAMLESS GLASS: Yes

October 30, Kyle Cumiskey, Concussion, Missed 33 games, vs. Blue Jackets,  SEAMLESS GLASS: Yes

November 4, Kyle Quincey, Concussion, Missed 3 games, vs. Canucks,  SEAMLESS GLASS: Yes

November 9, T.J. Galiardi, Broken Wrist from hit into the glass, Missed 17 games, vs. Flames, SEAMLESS GLASS:  Yes

December 13, Paul Stastny, Sore Back from face-first check into boards, Missed 1 game, vs. Blackhawks,  SEAMLESS GLASS:  Yes

*February 9, Kyle Cumiskey, Whiplash from hit into the glass, Missed 28 games, @ Wild, SEAMLESS GLASS:  Yes

*February 9, T.J. Galiardi, Forearm, Missed 28 games, @ Wild,  SEAMLESS GLASS:  Yes

March 11, Milan Hejduk, Shoulder, Missed 4 games, vs. Ducks, SEAMLESS GLASS:  Yes

March 11, Paul Stastny, Back, Missed 1 game, vs. Ducks, SEAMLESS GLASS:  Yes

*April 3, John-Michael Liles, Concussion, Missed 4 games, vs. Flames, SEAMLESS GLASS: Yes

*April 7, Matt Hunwick, Concussion, Missed 2 games, @ Dallas, SEAMLESS GLASS: No

*April 7, Erik Johnson, Concussion, Missed 2 games, @ Dallas, SEAMLESS GLASS:  No

(Key:  vs. = at Pepsi Center unless noted, * = season ending injury, Bold =  Arena with seamless glass)

 

These injuries account for 214 MGL, or 45% of the Avs' total.  Even if you subtract Mueller's lost season, these numbers remain a scary 132MGL and 37%.  That means seamless glass could have played a role in more man-games-lost for the Avs than 5 different teams had TOTAL at the 73 game mark (Carolina 56, Boston 92, Chicago 97, Phoenix 110, and Dallas128) .   

This doesn't necessarily prove that having glass with more give would have prevented those injuries; however, the correlation is undeniable.  That’s why the Player’s Association lobbied to remove all seamless glass in the league by the start of the 2011-12 season.  On March 14th, the NHL agreed to their demands, so yes, the Pepsi Center will be getting new boards next year. 

"Following the boards and glass review, the NHL agreed that the six NHL arenas that have seamless tempered glass would be required to be replaced with a safer plexiglass system by the start of the 2011-12 season. "  

-NHLPA


Other "Fun" Injury Facts and Links:

According to The Concussion Blog (who updates their list of concussions weekly), the NHL experienced 114 concussions as of June 1, which averages out to .04 concussions per game. The Avalanche account for 8 of them and had .10 concussions per game.  This does not include Cumiskey’s whiplash. 

The Avs had 10 season-ending injuries this year (Mueller, Quincey, Fleischmann, Cumiskey, Galiardi, Stastny, Liles, Gaunce, Johnson, and Hunwick) and would have had 11 if Foote hadn’t decided to play on a broken foot.  Only the Islanders had more at 13.

List of 2010-11 Avalanche Injuries and types (Missing EJ and Gaunce at the end)

List of Injuries compiled by DDC (bottom of post)

Man-Games Lost to Injury, March 24th

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Nice work.

A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.

by c6hor8 on Jun 7, 2011 9:03 PM MDT reply actions  

Indeed.

Your logical buzzkillery is ruining my already shitty jokes.

by Paul X on Jun 7, 2011 10:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

Nice article. Thanks!

by Andy_ on Jun 8, 2011 9:36 AM MDT up reply actions  

wow, killer post. now I’m curious about years going back if it’s the lopsided!

"I’m predicting 50pts in the NHL for Hensick next season. Anyone want to put $20 on it?" - DetAvs, Jun 18, 2010 3:45 AM EDT
Hensick stats: 13 games, 1g/2a/3p THOMAS/DETAVS: I WANT MY $20

by thedoctor on Jun 7, 2011 10:45 PM MDT reply actions  

Great great great great post!

Thanks Footer

by Cole D Hamilton on Jun 8, 2011 12:02 AM MDT reply actions  

I’ve never seen this. The stats are crazy!

Big fan of the 2012-2013 Avalanche
"It's not my fault I never learned to accept responsibility."-Woody Paige

by GeorgeInLimbo on Jun 8, 2011 1:28 AM MDT reply actions  

Nice post.

"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck" -Obi Wan Kenobi

I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?

by TheRed on Jun 8, 2011 1:52 AM MDT reply actions  

Great post

I alluded to this on my post http://www.milehighhockey.com/2011/6/6/2209131/avalanche-soup and you have really gone to town with it.

I have tried to research this myself, but have not had the time/patience to find out all the answers. I know how hard it is to find out this stuff, so well done.

I for one, am glad that seamless glass is no more at the Can. If your research is even halfway accurate, it could be a different story next year with traditional glass.

Adam Foote - Warrior

by Nemesis44UK on Jun 8, 2011 2:33 AM MDT reply actions  

Didn’t we initially switch to seamless so Roy could shoot the puck around the boards better? Just trying to recall

by HeyPeterman on Jun 8, 2011 3:53 AM MDT via mobile reply actions  

This is a great post!

No doubt the Avs have been bitten by the injury bug the past few years. Hopefully switching the glass will help to lower the number of injuries this year. But another factor is the altitude. I read an article recently talking about how much wear and tear playing at altitude puts on the body and also how long it takes to recover from injuries when compared to playing at a normal altitude.

Rockies Fever!

by EssentialCo on Jun 8, 2011 4:44 AM MDT reply actions  

Interesting. I never thought of that.

In Rick Pracey we trust

by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 8, 2011 5:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

That’s one I’ll have to look into.

Just a Colorado girl in Montana who <3s the Avs.

by andidee15 on Jun 8, 2011 8:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

I know that Bill Romanowski, when he played for the Broncos, had a hyperbaric chamber installed in his house, and he would sleep in it for a couple of nights after games. He thought the higher oxygen content (higher partial pressure) prolonged his career (steroids didn’t hurt).

"It's all about the $"

by Busted Twigg on Jun 9, 2011 1:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

excellent work! I’ve been curious, but far too lazy

I am the most humble blogger of all time

by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jun 8, 2011 5:44 AM MDT reply actions  

Great post.

Of course, seamless glass is the newer style glass in league history, back in the day all arenas had the flexible stuff. Now please remove yourself from my lawn!

Draft Larsson and McNeil + Pray for Divine Intervention in goal = Kick ass.

by niwotsblessing on Jun 8, 2011 7:25 AM MDT reply actions  

Note also that all but one of the seamless arenas are in the Western Conference, with half of them in the NW Division. If you add it up, COL, CAL, and MIN played 52 to 53 games per year on seamless glass (if MON is an away game you get an extra). All 3 are in the top 5 for games lost this year?

Ouch.

"It's all about the $"

by Busted Twigg on Jun 8, 2011 7:40 AM MDT reply actions  

So am I correct in believing that we are using traditional glass at the start of next season?

October. When?

by Randy Time on Jun 8, 2011 7:54 AM MDT reply actions  

Yes. According the NHLPA press release I read, in exchange for the players agreeing to wear soft cap shoulder pads, the NHL had to look at seamless glass, and they agreed that it had to go. So by NHL mandate, the Pepsi Center will be switching to the newer/older style glass.

Just a Colorado girl in Montana who <3s the Avs.

by andidee15 on Jun 8, 2011 8:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

I believe they just started changing it last week.

I saw a post on twitter about it very recently that work was either finished or underway. woowoo

A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.

by A.J. Haefele on Jun 8, 2011 9:04 AM MDT up reply actions  

Woo indeed! Pretty excited that the change came.

October. When?

by Randy Time on Jun 8, 2011 9:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

Me too.

Just a Colorado girl in Montana who <3s the Avs.

by andidee15 on Jun 8, 2011 10:06 AM MDT up reply actions  

Woowoo indeed…again! Any idea on what color the metal slats are going to be. Tampa’s blue slats are kinda cool. I vote for alternating Burgundy and Blue!

by mmmoby1 on Jun 8, 2011 12:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

I say burgundy…or white like an Avalanche!…though that might blend with the ice…

by amit916 on Jun 8, 2011 3:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

Very nice read. Thanks andidee

by MalachiConstant on Jun 8, 2011 8:18 AM MDT reply actions  

Rec’d in effect. Well done.

If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!

by Mike @ MHH on Jun 8, 2011 10:22 AM MDT reply actions  

I think I might start a series of these

Looking at injury factors and other stats. Like “Mythbusters” for the Avalanche!!!

So, today’s:

Does seamless glass cause injuries?

Just a Colorado girl in Montana who <3s the Avs.

by andidee15 on Jun 8, 2011 10:38 AM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Just be sure not to mix up causation with correlation.

"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck" -Obi Wan Kenobi

I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?

by TheRed on Jun 8, 2011 1:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

And be sure to manage your rebounds.

by Andy_ on Jun 8, 2011 5:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

Will do. :)

Just a Colorado girl in Montana who <3s the Avs.

by andidee15 on Jun 8, 2011 8:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well done. Thanks! I was very curious about this.

In Rick Pracey we trust

by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 8, 2011 5:11 PM MDT reply actions  

Anyone remember whether the Blake hit on Mueller was in Denver with the seamless glass or San Jose with the non-seamless?

Still Languishing for Landeskog, but I wouldn't mind Hubs, Couts, or Ryan Nugent-Duchene

by patrit19 on Jun 8, 2011 7:37 PM MDT reply actions  

yup. I was there for it and got super pissed.

Thanks, Joe... Thanks, Peter.... Thanks, Adam....

by mfured20 on Jun 9, 2011 9:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

I was at home and still got super pissed

Still Languishing for Landeskog, but I wouldn't mind Hubs, Couts, or Ryan Nugent-Duchene

by patrit19 on Jun 9, 2011 1:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

I was pissed at home and got super pissed.

by Andy_ on Jun 9, 2011 4:03 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

This may have cost this team another cup in the dynasty year. Off the top of my head, Kariya’s injury comes to mind.

Good post.

"I’m predicting 50pts in the NHL for Hensick next season. Anyone want to put $20 on it?" - DetAvs, Jun 18, 2010 3:45 AM EDT

by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Jun 11, 2011 9:11 AM MDT reply actions  

Well, that and the coaching.

by Andy_ on Jun 11, 2011 4:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

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