Another trade proposal
by Bringbackboone on Jun 8, 2011 7:00 PM MDT
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Seeing all those crazy Toronto posts about speculative trades that have the Avs being fleeced (and the Toronto fans thinking they are saving the Avalanche franchise) got me thinking about potential trades. Bryz just got traded to the Flyers. The Flyers have $0 to sign the talented free agent goalie (a stretch but you get the idea). Everybody is talking about Jeff Carter being put on the block yet he's signed for 10 years or so. Much too long for our Avs franchise. My thought, and I've seen this on another post in a comment, is why not target Matt Carle? He fits the Avs mold (college Hobey Baker winner), he's relatively young (26), he was the defensive partner of Chris Pronger (Johnson is supposedly comparable to Pronger), he is signed at a cap hit of 3.437 mil (to get to the cap floor), and he will be a free agent after the 2011-2012 season (like almost all of the Avalanche players).
Philly is in the same situation as Chicago was last year and has to unload some salary. A couple prospects and a late draft pick might get the deal done.
Also, the Flyers probably will not be able to resign Ville Leino. I believe he was a Red Wing prior but he could be a solid 2nd liner if Flash and Mueller are unable to go and Hishon doesn't make the roster. Something for everybody to ponder.
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thank you MC, you know me so well. <3
I am not a Carle fan. His defense sucks, and Pronger is the only thing saving him. Now, Meszaros or Coburn? sign me up. :)
"I’m predicting 50pts in the NHL for Hensick next season. Anyone want to put $20 on it?" - DetAvs, Jun 18, 2010 3:45 AM EDT
Hensick stats: 13 games, 1g/2a/3p THOMAS/DETAVS: I WANT MY $20
Okay, this is totally nit-picky, but Bryz wasn’t traded to Philly. His rights were. He may or may not accept the offer given him by Philly.
In Rick Pracey we trust
Actually
Every trade is just a trade of the player’s rights. This a trade just like all the others that happen except the centerpiece is a free agent who will not suit up for a game for the team before his season finishes.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by A.J. Haefele on Jun 9, 2011 9:47 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Can someone say
Dan Hamhuis?
What's the difference between a duck?
a 3rd rounder rarely amounts to a nhl player so it’s a decent gamble.
Available for a 3rd round pick.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jun 9, 2011 11:34 AM MDT up reply actions
Unless Rick Pracey is making the call.
Draft Larsson and McNeil + Pray for Divine Intervention in goal = Kick ass.
by niwotsblessing on Jun 9, 2011 12:43 PM MDT up reply actions
If signed...
there is a conditional pick, but I’m not sure what it is. I have yet to read it anywhere, but my guess is that it will be higher than that 3rd round pick.
by ProfessorOak on Jun 9, 2011 12:51 PM MDT up reply actions
I’d say there is a 95% chance they’ll sign Bryz. He’ll probably even sign with them for a little bit less than he would have with Phoenix, given the talent that will be around him and the butts in the seats that will be watching him. Philly has an edge we used to have of being a desirable franchise to sign with.
We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.
by Bob in Boulder on Jun 9, 2011 12:31 PM MDT up reply actions
If that happens, they really will need to shed salary. I wonder if we could do something with them.
Thanks, Joe... Thanks, Peter.... Thanks, Adam....
Do you think the Avs would want a hard-nosed defenseman with a pretty heavy shot from the point that is also pretty tall? He doesn’t seem to “fit” what the Avs are “building from within.”
by Bringbackboone on Jun 9, 2011 6:15 PM MDT up reply actions
Just to clarify, I have liked what Sherman has done in his couple of seasons. He has a Lacroix-like GM ability to get things done. But really, I wouldn’t mind Colburn coming West. Do you think Philly would be willing to part with him?
by Bringbackboone on Jun 9, 2011 11:18 PM MDT up reply actions
It may be more about cap management than anything else.
Draft Larsson and McNeil + Pray for Divine Intervention in goal = Kick ass.
by niwotsblessing on Jun 10, 2011 7:03 AM MDT up reply actions
no, they probably won’t, just like we all wanted Sharp in the Chicago firesale and he never moved. Carle, Hartnell, Meszaros, Versteeg — all likely to move before coburn.
it’s still nice to dream. :)
"I’m predicting 50pts in the NHL for Hensick next season. Anyone want to put $20 on it?" - DetAvs, Jun 18, 2010 3:45 AM EDT
Hensick stats: 13 games, 1g/2a/3p THOMAS/DETAVS: I WANT MY $20
me too. I imagine Versteeg and Carle are the first people with tickets out of town though :/
"I’m predicting 50pts in the NHL for Hensick next season. Anyone want to put $20 on it?" - DetAvs, Jun 18, 2010 3:45 AM EDT
Hensick stats: 13 games, 1g/2a/3p THOMAS/DETAVS: I WANT MY $20
did he get a no trade clause?
Available for a 3rd round pick.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jun 10, 2011 12:53 PM MDT up reply actions
If there’s anything the Chicago fire sale proves it’s that there’s a number of stupid GMs out there who will bail out a cap-strapped team by taking their overpaid mediocre assets.
Chicago didn’t lose anyone who isn’t replaceable and they took the Cup Finalists to 7 games and are in great shape for next season.
Avalanche Shutouts are a powerful Aphrodisiac
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Jun 14, 2011 11:03 AM MDT up reply actions
yep, it’s true. i seriously couldn’t believe at the GMs who lined up for Versteeg, Buf (still overhyped), Ladd, and Barker. especially versteeg and barker.
"I’m predicting 50pts in the NHL for Hensick next season. Anyone want to put $20 on it?" - DetAvs, Jun 18, 2010 3:45 AM EDT
Hensick stats: 13 games, 1g/2a/3p THOMAS/DETAVS: I WANT MY $20
I couldn’t, until I looked at some other contracts and trades other people have made.
Here’s a list of pretty easily replaceable Philly players who they could get rid of and not have much drop-off:
Laperriere (LTIR Cap relief – $1.16M)
Meszaros ($4M)
Carle ($3.4M)
Leighton ($1.5M)
Hartnell ($4.2M)
Versteeg ($3M)
(And Hartnell has a NMC, but Philly can basically say : Take the trade or we’ll move your salary to the Adriondacks.)
That’s an easy 17.26M in cap space that makes them a slightly worse team. Go out and sign some replacement level vets, and Bryz for $7M and they are pretty much the same team, less offense, better goaltending.
Avalanche Shutouts are a powerful Aphrodisiac
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Jun 14, 2011 12:46 PM MDT up reply actions
Ladd and Versteeg are really good. Buff and Barker I agree with (though Barker went to Minny for Jonsson at that deadline, and trading a veteran UFA D for a good young D is a decent trade)
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by red army line on Jun 15, 2011 6:58 AM MDT up reply actions
I agree they are good, but they aren’t essential and pretty easily replaceable.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jun 15, 2011 7:29 AM MDT up reply actions
Probably. Just like we did with Chicago last offseason. Man did we ever screw them!
We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.
by Bob in Boulder on Jun 9, 2011 1:32 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
For the record, I did not mean for my sarcasm to be directed at you. I like you. Our current Walmart ownership mentality, on the other hand? I’m not so happy with them.
We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.
by Bob in Boulder on Jun 9, 2011 2:50 PM MDT up reply actions
Both parties need this deal to happen. Bryz will sign for less money knowing he’s with a contender and living in a big city like Philly. He stated earlier that he wouldn’t play in Winnipeg because there’s nothing there for his family. Philly has everything, including a winning franchise something he’s not used to. Philly couldn’t land Hamhuis but you better believe that they won’t let this fall through.
My Johnson is better than your Johnson.
yes, philly is a great place for a family. They love Santa and the easter bunny, every other word if F this or that. Crime is bad. if you want your kid to get a decent education then you have to send them to a private school where they have to wear a uniform. everything you want for your family
The suburban areas around Philadelphia- where the players live are beautiful, trust me I’m from there. Plus there’s nobody on that team that would want to play/live anywhere else.
My Johnson is better than your Johnson.
No offense I have been in the suburban areas, Still was not that impressed. Sorry, I would rather live anywhere else in America except Detroit and New Jersey
by avalanchejef on Jun 14, 2011 8:01 AM MDT up reply actions
Honestly
I think Carle is completely overrated. Pronger was the reason he was good, just like Philly’s defense was the reason (insert any of their three goaltenders here) are good. When Pronger was out, Carle was horrid. I wouldn’t mind Carter though. He’s a good winger, and I believe a good PKer too. Wouldn’t mind having him, but I’m afraid at what Philly would want in return.
There’s an uptick in all the offensive stats for Carle when Pronger leaves — basically, Carle helped push the play up the ice more often without Pronger. It’s a relatively small difference of just .5 percent – and is offset by a .5 percent decline on shots on goal, but what it does help to prove is that Carle isn’t any worse without Pronger by his side, like so many of us (including myself) wanted to believe. And it all comes while Carle is starting in the offensive zone substantially less often.
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by red army line on Jun 12, 2011 12:18 PM MDT up reply actions
Interesting.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jun 14, 2011 11:04 AM MDT up reply actions
In order to have a trade proposal.....
Who are we giving up for Carter? Carle? A couple of prospects and a late draft pick, is a bit too vague for me
For Carter I fell like we would have to give up the 11th pick and someone like Cameron Gaunce. I’ve heard that Columbus is offering their 8th pick and Voracek
My Johnson is better than your Johnson.
If we give up Gaunce
I will be so fucking heartbroken. The two Avs jerseys I really wanted last year were Shattenkirk and Stewart and my Gaunce fanboyism is well-known by now. I want that damn Gaunce Monsters jersey >:(
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by A.J. Haefele on Jun 10, 2011 10:02 AM MDT up reply actions
Carter is the 2nd best forward on the Flyers, maybe the best (though not for long)…seems to me like it should take a huge amount. Really young top-end prospect, a young solid scoring forward who may hit point/gm in his best season should be the starting point, I think.
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by red army line on Jun 12, 2011 12:20 PM MDT up reply actions
when chicago went through the same thing they didn’t jettison Kane, Toews, or Hossa, I’m guessing it’s the secondary players with high salaries that will be on the block. If I was philly, I’d trade Hartnell and keep everyone else (and use cheap AHL’ers) for the regular season and make some trades at the deadline.
Available for a 3rd round pick.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jun 12, 2011 4:43 PM MDT up reply actions
Trouble is that they have all those other players NMCs. I agree they’d trade Hartnell before Carter, but I think Hartnell, Briere, Pronger, Timonen, and others all have those clauses in their deals, which could prove to be a problem.
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by red army line on Jun 12, 2011 8:43 PM MDT up reply actions
ah, I did not know that. I still think it will be someone other than carter that moves.
Available for a 3rd round pick.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jun 13, 2011 9:17 AM MDT up reply actions
Per capgeek.com, the following Flyers have NMCs in their deals:
Briere
Richards (Starting 7/1/12)
Timmonen
Hartnell has a NTC and Carter has a NTC that starts in 12, goes through the 14-15 season and then becomes a modified NTC through the balance of his deal (2022)
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Hartnell is a really important part of that team. He wouldn’t be traded regardless. Look for Carle, Versteeg to be traded. Keep in mind that Carcillo, Zherdev, O’Donnell will come off of there cap, they will probably not be resigned.
My Johnson is better than your Johnson.
Just reading BSH, the consensus is that Hartnell is vastly underachieving and his cap room could be used more efficiently.
Carcillo, Zherdev, and SOD don’t open up enough room for Bryz.
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by red army line on Jun 15, 2011 6:59 AM MDT up reply actions
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