Who does Landeskog displace on the Avs roster?
by c0nquistad0rian on Aug 2, 2011 11:39 AM MDT
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PrintBarring a big transaction, the Avs are going to need Gabriel Landeskog's $3.75 million capt hit to reach the $48.3 million cap floor.
With the free agent additions of Chuck Kobasew and Joakim Lindstrom and the re-signings of RFAs Kevin Porter and T.J. Galiardi, the Avs have 14 NHL veterans forwards under contract. So, for Landeskog to make the roster, he will have to displace one of these forwards. Who are the likely candidates?
T.J. Galiardi: Has a one way contract with a cap hit of $700k. He is not exempt from waivers. He can play all 3 forward positions and is seemingly a good fit on any line. But, the coaching staff showed disappointment in him, demoting him to the AHL this past season. Inuries also limited him to just 35 games.
Lindstrom: Has a one way contract with a cap hit of $600k. He is not exempt from waivers. Lindstrom seemed mostly like an AHL/NHL tweener in his previous stint in North America. Yet this past season he led the Swedish Elite League in points (ranking second in both goals and assists) and PIM's, displaying skill with the puck and grit along the way. If he can translate those skills back over to the North American game, look for him to lock down a spot amongst the top 9. If he can't put things together early enough for the coaches to give him a solid shot, look for him to bounce back to the AHL. Does his being the only other Swede on the roster increase his chances of sticking around with Landeskog, who played Canadian juniors?
Kevin Porter: Has a one way contract with a cap hit of $850k. He is not exempt from waivers. Like Galiardi, he can play all 3 forward positions on most lines and in most situations. He had flashes of Heroism with three game winning goals last season. Simply swapping out Landeskog for Porter with all other personnel remaining the same and no other rookies making the squad gets the Avs payroll to $48.18 million, or about $120k below the cap floor. At least one rookie with a cap hit above $850k (Mark Olver, Michael Carman, Brad Malone, Joey Hishon) would have to beat out at least one of the other three candidates listed here for the Avs to get to the capfloor in the event that Landeskog displaces Porter.
Brandon Yip: Has a one way contract with a cap hit of $725k ($750k actual salary for 2011-12). He is not exempt from waivers. Yip plays either wing and was mostly disappointing last season, not scoring enough to be on a scoring line, and not playing with enough hustle or grit to warrant a spot on the bottom two lines.
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I voted for Yip in this one too. I agree with c0nquistad0rian, Yip did not score enough to be on the top lines and not hustle and help all the much to be on the bottom lines. I see him being bumped. IMO
Pffft. You might change your name, but I’m still going to call you Paul.
I need a drink, please.
by MalachiConstant on Aug 2, 2011 1:05 PM MDT up reply actions
Succumbed to the pressure, I see. And I had such faith that you would weather the storm and stand strong. /sigh
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by Cheryl Bradley on Aug 2, 2011 1:53 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah. I still was hoping you’d stay strong, represent for us weak ones.
The Colorado Avalanche: much more hugerer and depthier than last year
by Cheryl Bradley on Aug 2, 2011 2:13 PM MDT up reply actions
Whoa are you? And what did you do to Paul?
Well Languished.
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by niwotsblessing on Aug 2, 2011 2:22 PM MDT up reply actions
I love lamp.
Available for a 3rd round pick.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Aug 2, 2011 3:06 PM MDT up reply actions
Does it count if my screen name is what everyone calls me IRL?
"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck" -Obi Wan Kenobi
I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?
I say it counts. I can’t imagine using any other name with you.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Aug 3, 2011 9:37 AM MDT up reply actions
I know!
My gmail labels emails from him with his real name and I always have to figure out who that is!
*sigh*
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That’s pretty funny. Most of the people I know don’t even know my last name at all. Had my pic in the Summit Daily one time and they asked my last name. I told them it was Thered,
"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck" -Obi Wan Kenobi
I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?
There you go believing facebook again ;)
"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck" -Obi Wan Kenobi
I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?
lol
me too! but then I had a HS boyfriend with that last name so it wasn’t such a stretch.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Aug 7, 2011 5:22 PM MDT up reply actions
Resistance is not Futile!
Datsyuk may have done it first, but he learned it from Peter Forsberg.
Thanks for everything Foppa!
Footer: We'll miss seeing you clear the riff raff off your lawn.
by Americanario on Aug 2, 2011 10:01 PM MDT up reply actions
does the dark side still have cookies??
by Avalanchefan86 on Aug 2, 2011 10:54 PM MDT up reply actions
man. that sucks…i guess the light side and their puppies will have to do. Winkler better stay away from the puppies. haha
by Avalanchefan86 on Aug 3, 2011 8:05 AM MDT up reply actions
What? This is my real name.
Available for a 3rd round pick.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Aug 3, 2011 10:24 AM MDT up reply actions
Gali playing at the top of his game benefits the team the most. I voted Yip, but wouldn’t be surprised if Lindstrom never sees a cup of coffee.
I need a drink, please.
by MalachiConstant on Aug 2, 2011 12:42 PM MDT reply actions
I agree with this. The Lindstrom signing seems like a “meh, wtf not?” move if I’ve ever seen one. If he doesn’t light it up in camp, though, I don’t expect us to ever utter his name again.
4th biggest pessimist of MHH.
"There's always next season." -- Jimmy Howard on not winning the Calder Trophy.
Yeah, I could see them trading McLeod actually, maybe for a low-round pick or LEM support. With the grit they’ve added in Kobasew and on the blueline – not to mention young forward bruisers like Malone and Bordello of Blood coming up – McLeod seems redundant.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Aug 2, 2011 1:57 PM MDT up reply actions
I can see McLeod being traded, but I don’t think Landy would be a replacement for him. If either Malone or Bordello of Blood were to make the team then they’d be replacing him, not Landy. And, while we’ve added some grit, we really don’t have a regular fighter after McLeod. Neither Wilson nor SoB are givens to be in the lineup on any given night. Hejda and Kobasew add grit, but Kobasew only had one fight last year, while Hejda didn’t have any. After McLeod (14), Koci (8), Wilson (6) and SoB (5) no Avs player had more than 2 fights last season.
I know, I know, enforcers are a thing of the past. But are they? Vancouver is the only team in our division that doesn’t really have an enforcer, at least that I could find. Calgary is getting Raitis Ivanans back from injury (14 fights two years ago with the Kings) and have Tim Jackman with 12 last year. The Oilers have Theo Peckham (10), Ben Eager (6) and Darcy Hordichuk (10). And the Wild have Brad Staubitz (15) and Clayton Stoner (6).
Considering the Avs recent injury history, and a few soft heads on the team, it seems to me that if McLeod goes, he’ll have to be replaced with someone that fills that roll, and not just someone who’s willing do it from time to time.
So, while I can see McLeod not making the Avs, I don’t think it’s Landy that would be replacing him.
As far as the poll goes: I don’t think Avs management brought Lindstrom in on a one-way contract just to put him in the minors. I’m thinking Yip plays the year (barring injuries) in the AHL to regain his game.
For some of us, Murphy's Law isn't so much a law, as it is a way of life!
I’m sorry if it seemed to say that, but I never intended that Landeskog would replace McLeod. Malone, Bordello and Kobasew make McLeod unnecessary.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Aug 3, 2011 11:25 AM MDT up reply actions
Yeah but Vancouver has done what compared to the others? Also Detroit doesn’t really run with enforcers either. I don’t think the true enforcers are needed anymore, but it helps to have real players that can fight.
there’s other ways to keep the other team from taking liberties…. if our new larger defense is willing to throw their bodies around, that can have a decent impact in keeping teams honest as well.
But you’re definately right, many teams aren’t willing to have a knuckle-dragger keeping the bench warm just in case.
He brought verrry little the last couple years.
"I’m predicting 50pts in the NHL for Hensick next season. Anyone want to put $20 on it?" - DetAvs, Jun 18, 2010 3:45 AM EDT
by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Aug 2, 2011 9:33 PM MDT up reply actions
As bad as Yips season was last year, he still scored 11 goals (i think) and his shot is actually pretty nasty none the less, he can score some long range snipes, he has a lot of skill, just needs to put it together.
I am not saying he is horrible, I just think that with how last season went, he may be put under more scrutiny and probably not make it, but with any game, you never know. I would love to be wrong and he comes out as a beast.
by Avalanchefan86 on Aug 2, 2011 1:43 PM MDT up reply actions
He scored 11 goals, but that is 45×10^damnit fewer goals than he had high-sticking PIMs at incredibly inopportune times.
After typing that I got curious what his actual stats were in spite of my sarcasm. Yip had 12 goals and 54 penalty minutes in 71 games. Winnik and Porter’s Points to Penalties ratios are considerably better. It’d be one thing if Yip was taking ‘good penalties’ or acting as an enforcer a la McLoud… but at least 20 of Yip’s 54 PIMs were for high sticking (if my jaded memory is correct).
I need a drink, please.
by MalachiConstant on Aug 2, 2011 1:54 PM MDT up reply actions
Plus, how many of those points came in the last two or three weeks?
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by Cheryl Bradley on Aug 2, 2011 1:59 PM MDT up reply actions
He had 3 goals in two games (April 7&8) both against Dallas in the last week of play. His last goal prior to that was a 2-goal game against St Louis on Jan 24.
I need a drink, please.
by MalachiConstant on Aug 2, 2011 2:09 PM MDT up reply actions
The thing with Yip and penalties also, on his “Bad” penalties….how many times were we scored on when he was in the box too. Some games he would give them numerous chances to score….and with how our PK was at certain times, they usually scored. Now, our PK was good, just saying on the nights it wasn’t
by Avalanchefan86 on Aug 2, 2011 3:02 PM MDT up reply actions
Yip is a player, but he’s not a difference-maker in the NHL. I like the guy, but wouldn’t lose any sleep if the Avs lost him.
No soup for you!
Landeskog is a total bust. He’s a 4th line player at best. He’s Alexander Daigle and Patrick Stefan rolled up into 1. He will single handedly cause the Avs to give Washington a lottery pick in exchange for a C-rate goalie with no groin and no talent and can’t even say Coolarado with out adding Havalanche after it. They should have drafted Hooberdoo.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
They should have drafted Hooberdoo AND left him in juniors for the rest of his career. Also, Matt Duchene banged my girlfriend, her mother, my sister, and my mother – all at the same time.
Low-cut blouses are looked down upon in this establishment.
HAHA…so you guys just decided to go off on a tangent huh?
by Avalanchefan86 on Aug 2, 2011 3:02 PM MDT up reply actions
That never happens here.
"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck" -Obi Wan Kenobi
I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?
SQUIRREL!!!!!!!!!!!
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by pra4snow on Aug 2, 2011 3:33 PM MDT up reply actions 4 recs
WOW
you could end up being the step-father/brother/uncle of Dutchy’s “love” child(ren). How cool is that.
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That whole, " I’m my own grandpa" thing…WOW
by Avalanchefan86 on Aug 2, 2011 3:11 PM MDT up reply actions
I want one of these Crate Goalies you refer to!
"I’m predicting 50pts in the NHL for Hensick next season. Anyone want to put $20 on it?" - DetAvs, Jun 18, 2010 3:45 AM EDT
by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Aug 2, 2011 9:31 PM MDT up reply actions
I've been thinkin
Even if Landy does end up to be a very reliable third line guy, is that all that bad? sure we used the second overall pick on him, but maybe he just ends up being one of those unsung heroes, which all in itself, wouldn’t be as bad as a true bust
yes, that is bad. a #2 should at LEAST be a top 6er, and if it’s not, it’s a failure. for example, you could have traded the #2 overall for a VERY good established player at least.
it would be like trading Stastny for, I dunno, Manny Malhotra. Good, valuable player — but you just completely downgraded your team based on what you gave up.
by thedoctor on Aug 2, 2011 5:29 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes.
"I’m predicting 50pts in the NHL for Hensick next season. Anyone want to put $20 on it?" - DetAvs, Jun 18, 2010 3:45 AM EDT
by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Aug 2, 2011 9:32 PM MDT up reply actions
that is like saying Panther fans shouldn’t worry if Cam Newton sucks donkey balls (which will probably happen) because at least he would be an athletic third string QB.
There are not. I’ve been over there, trust me. It’s all just a bunch of Habs fans who retired in the area with nothing better to do.
I need a drink, please.
by MalachiConstant on Aug 4, 2011 8:49 PM MDT up reply actions
I’m tempted to say TJ, just because he isn’t waiver eligible. If he plays his way on to the roster (which I think is likely) I’d say Yip as I don’t see anyone taking him off of the Av’s hands.
"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck" -Obi Wan Kenobi
I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?
I voted for the imaginary awesomeness of Joakim Lindstrom.
We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.
by Bob in Boulder on Aug 2, 2011 6:05 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
The SEL agrees with your imagination.
Well Languished.
Semyon says: "Let's win the Cup!"
by niwotsblessing on Aug 2, 2011 6:14 PM MDT up reply actions
I think T.J. stays.
He put up pretty decent stats even though he missed more than half of last season. 15pts in 35 games isn’t top line quality (it’s only .43 PPG), but it’s solid for a 3rd liner, which is where I think he’ll play next year.
Yip, Porter, Lindstrom, and even Winnik, Kobasew, and McLeod will be battling for only a couple winger spots. Hishon may enter the fray too, although I expect him to rock the AHL’s world for the majority of this season. Some of them will make it, some wont. But I don’t even have a guess who that will be until training camp.
Just a Colorado girl in Montana who <3s the Avs.
Yeah, it does. And then we can do another guessing the lineup for the season opener. Should be fun :)
Just a Colorado girl in Montana who <3s the Avs.
Know any writers around here that could hop on that?
I need a drink, please.
by MalachiConstant on Aug 2, 2011 9:36 PM MDT up reply actions
Great idea
That would actually be fun, because there are so many possibilities.
by Dan Winkler on Aug 3, 2011 1:01 PM MDT up reply actions
Unless Yip really impresses in training camp, he is AHL bound. They could either put Landeskog in the top 6 and move someone else down or they could replace Yip with him on the bottom six. I also don’t see what everyone else does in Mark Oliver. If Mueller or Galiardi are healthy or if Hishon makes the team, I don’t see a spot for him. Obviously, there is no room for him at center.
I like how gritty he is and how hard he plays. But I agree – I don’t see him making the team out of camp. He’s an undersized winger, and although he has some skill, I don’t think he’s a top 6 player on a healthy NHL club. And I think that he’d get creamed in our bottom six, even if he does bounce back from injury very quickly.
I’d still love it if he made the team – I like his character. But I think he’ll be down with Hishon killing the AHL this year. 40 pts in 58 games is pretty good. And he’ll probably have better wingers this year too. They might even decide to stick both of them on a line. Can you imagine how much damage the two of them could do together?
Just a Colorado girl in Montana who <3s the Avs.
Yip isn’t that much undersized (if at all, I’d call him average sized give or take), he’s listed as 6-1, 195, That’s slightly bigger than Kobasew at 6-0 192.
I was talking about Olver. Sorry about that lack of clarification.
Just a Colorado girl in Montana who <3s the Avs.
Part of the love for Olver is the chemistry he seemed to have with Duchene as well as he plays hard and gets dirty despite his size.. Honestly though I don’t expect him to start this season or any in the near future in the NHL. He’s a good guy to bring up when/if injuries strike.
Datsyuk may have done it first, but he learned it from Peter Forsberg.
Thanks for everything Foppa!
Footer: We'll miss seeing you clear the riff raff off your lawn.
by Americanario on Aug 3, 2011 10:48 AM MDT up reply actions
I voted Yip but now I wish I didnt. Yip still has a ton of upside (20+ goals) but honestly did look pretty terrible last year. He was a – 22, but +/- doesnt mean much when you finish 29th in the league, I mean Hejduk was a -23! Players are bound to have a bad season when their team has a bad season.
Galiardi and Porter seem safe, so Lindstrom seems to be the odd man out. But hey, at least you’ll get to see him if theres an injury concussion.
here's a thought
What happens if Landy’s camp is worse than Yips play last year and doesn’t earn a spot? He can’t play in the AHL yet, and Kitchener dropped him, would he have to find another junior team to play for?
Not necessarily. Because he’s Swedish, the team has to have an open Euro spot for him. That’s why the Rangers dropped him. Teams had to put in their Euro allotment request about a few weeks ago.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Aug 4, 2011 11:18 AM MDT up reply actions
so he could have a roster spot just because he can’t play anywhere else? What else could they do?
by Avalanchefan86 on Aug 4, 2011 12:34 PM MDT up reply actions
He would likely be picked up by another junior team. Or maybe he would be loaned to a team in the SEL. But I believe that doing so would burn a year of his contract.
by c0nquistad0rian on Aug 4, 2011 5:40 PM MDT up reply actions
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