Daily Cupcakes - August 8th, 2011
by Sandie Gauthier on Aug 8, 2011 6:00 AM MDT
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Stefan Elliott thinks he is ready to jump to the NHL.
"Confidence is key. If you're not confident in your abilities and in what you can do, you're not going to go very far. I'll come into camp confident and try to do my best. It's a big change and I'm looking forward to it. My parents did a good job raising me and I've been away from home for the past four years. I think that'll help a lot. I think I'm ready to start this new chapter in my life."
I'm a big fan of stories of NHL'ers giving back to the communities and doing "good" with their celebrity status, Jean- Sebastien Giguere lends a hand to Habitat for Humanity.
NHL goalie Jean-Sebastien Giguere had a homecoming of sorts on Wednesday, as he returned to Halifax to help out with a Habitat for Humanity build with his wife Kristen.
Speaking of which, there will be a charity hockey game (and time to get autographs) in Southern Ontario. Both Cal O`Reilly and Ryan O`Reilly will be at the game. Tickets are 10 dollars.
Logan Couture of the San Jose Sharks is the host for a fundraising hockey game at the St. Marys Pyramid Recreation Centre on Wed., Aug. 17 at 7:30 p.m.
Something I found a bit interesting, Tomas Vokoun reportedly fired his agent after not being the hot commodity on Free Agency Day that everyone thought he would be.
According to a recent post at Czech Hockey Report, former Panthers goaltender Tomas Vokoun has dumped rep Michael Deutsch for Octagon's Allan Walsh.
Vokoun - coming off the final season of a four-year deal which paid $6.3M in salary during the 2010-11 campaign - was widely considered as the best netminder to enter free agency this summer, once the Flyers locked up Ilya Bryzgalov.
Duncan Siemens has drive and a competitive edge, accidentally injuring another player during a scrimmage.
Duncan Siemens never intended to hurt Brett Connolly when the two players skated into the left wing corner during the third period of a scrimmage on Thursday at the Canadian National Junior Team development camp.
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Most overrated player? The Sedin twins. Those pussies disappeared when the Cup was a win away. Although they might be tied with Luongo…
Well Languished.
Semyon says: "Let's win the Cup!"
They disappeared pretty much the entire playoffs…at least the Finals
The doctor's say he's got a 50/50 chance of living...though there's only a 10% chance of that. - The Naked Gun
They disappeared when it mattered. They would show up when the game was over and start playing well. I still think that other teams saw how to neutralize the Sedins now.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
Beat the hell out of them
The doctor's say he's got a 50/50 chance of living...though there's only a 10% chance of that. - The Naked Gun
Exactly. And play them tight. I want to see Wilson trying to lay them out every single game.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
I do think the Sedins are overrated (and Luongo is underrated & overrated if you can believe that). But most overrated?
Maybe
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by Jibblescribbits on Aug 8, 2011 7:50 AM MDT up reply actions
Are you saying the twins are going to be sent to the AHL?
by Paul X on Aug 8, 2011 12:41 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
When I was younger…slip and slides used to be a lot longer. My random thought of the day
The doctor's say he's got a 50/50 chance of living...though there's only a 10% chance of that. - The Naked Gun
Hmm, I remember a slip n slide extending down the entire length of front of my childhood property. That would be a gigantic slide. I think my child memory is skewed.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
I was showing my kids and nephews how to do one this weekend, but I over-slid it every time…they aren’t made for me
The doctor's say he's got a 50/50 chance of living...though there's only a 10% chance of that. - The Naked Gun
When I was a kid, my slip and slide was in our back yard, but our neighbor had a huge tree and some of the roots were barely under the surface of our back yard, so everytime I would play on the slip and slide it was like sliding down a wet platic layer on top of uneven speed bumps. Wound up with horrible bruises, but I’d never stop playing on it.
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As grandma always says, Fuck the Red Wings, indeed.
Our producer was talking this morning about taking a full on run at a slip n’ slide, only to hit a rawhide dogbone that was underneath. Ouch!
The doctor's say he's got a 50/50 chance of living...though there's only a 10% chance of that. - The Naked Gun
One summer we went to a cub scout thing at a park. They had this giant slip and slide (must have been a couple put together) going down a sleding hill. It was a blast. The only problem was one time going down I found the one small stick someone missed picking up. It poked through and took a gouge out of my elbow.
Also I remember using garbage bag rolls. You just had to have the ones where the gargbage bags were held together by the perforation then just roll it out in the back yard. Also a little dish soap went a long way to make it even more fun.
We made our own slip n slides with trash bags anchored by bricks…until my friend’s leg was sliced open by one of those bricks. Fun over.
The Colorado Avalanche: much more hugerer and depthier than last year
by Cheryl Bradley on Aug 8, 2011 8:58 AM MDT up reply actions
The U.S. Government dislikes your wanton disregard for safety.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
You can tell the US government that I used to ride in the back of pick up trucks too!
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by Cheryl Bradley on Aug 8, 2011 9:09 AM MDT up reply actions
When we were kids wasn’t there a fantastic disregard for child safety. I remember riding in the back window of my moms corvette. I was less than 6 so I fit really well laying on my stomach. And what else was my mom suppose to do then didn’t exactly put back seats in corvettes and she had 3 kids to transport.
When my parents had us (their children), the way they got home was to put the child in their lap in the front seat of the car.
When we had ours, we had to have the child properly strapped into a safety seat BEFORE we left the hospital room.
The doctor's say he's got a 50/50 chance of living...though there's only a 10% chance of that. - The Naked Gun
We did that too, except we used the nails used for tying down tents. We didn’t get all that hurt.
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by Sandie Gauthier on Aug 8, 2011 9:04 AM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, those would have been a much better option. Hell, just regular ole nails would have been smarter.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Aug 8, 2011 9:09 AM MDT up reply actions
in college we rented a gigantic inflatable slip and slide for a few party’s that was a blast. Having a good foot of air cushion between you and any unforeseen rocks or branches made it a lot more fun.
Our neighborhood kids buy a block of ice at the grocery store and then ride it down the hill at the park. Sunburned face, frostbite on the butt. A perfect afternoon.
"It's all about the $"
Lawn defender since... crap, I can't remember.
Ice blocking!!! So much fun.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Aug 8, 2011 1:52 PM MDT up reply actions
I’m partial to Zdeno Chara for most overrated
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Aug 8, 2011 7:19 AM MDT reply actions
I wouldn’t be surprised if Siemens made the wjc team, Team Canada favored size last year and they may favor it again. Something in my heart tells me to say that Brian McCabe is overrated.
Siemens missed last night’s game, and I hope that doesn’t negatively affect his status. He is having his wisdom teeth yanked.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Aug 8, 2011 8:56 AM MDT up reply actions
unfortunately
it probabaly will affect it, oh well
by ProfessorOak on Aug 8, 2011 10:01 AM MDT up reply actions
I’ve watched what happens with the Canadian team fairly closely and typically it doesn’t affect it. The only way it would, I think, if he’s neck and neck with someone else, and that guy has a couple breakout performances whilst he’s out.
It's all about the A-
by Sandie Gauthier on Aug 8, 2011 10:31 AM MDT up reply actions
I have this nagging feeling that Siemens might be as, or even more, valuable as Landeskog for the Avs future.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
I think he will be without a doubt.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Aug 8, 2011 10:51 AM MDT up reply actions
Landeskog is likely going to be a stud in the NHL, but I just wonder if Siemens is the Blake to EJ’s Bourque.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
I think that’s exactly what’s going to happen.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Aug 8, 2011 11:11 AM MDT up reply actions
I don’t disagree per se, but I see Siemens more as the Foote to EJ’s Blake. EJ is great, but he’s just not a Borque style player IMO.
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agreed, that’s a closer comparison.
and I think calling EJ even close to Blake or Bourque is…ah, premature. Siemens to Foote or Blake even more so.
Also agreed. I was going to alter the names but I felt the sentiment was on track.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Aug 8, 2011 11:56 AM MDT up reply actions
Oh fine Captain Details, I was just making a point.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
Nicklas Lidstrom. He’s a fine defender (may the red wings burn in hell), but because people think he’s Jesus Christ walking on the blue line, he’s too highly thought of.
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As grandma always says, Fuck the Red Wings, indeed.
Also holmstrom
Who has made a career out of goaltender interference.
It's all about the O'
by SteveHouse on Aug 8, 2011 8:09 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I’m not glad that someone was hurt, but I am happy to read about Siemens’ competitive fire.
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As grandma always says, Fuck the Red Wings, indeed.
The injured player took a day off, and then seemed fine.
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by Sandie Gauthier on Aug 8, 2011 9:05 AM MDT up reply actions
Over-rated?
Either Osgood 2.0 or who ever is the best player on the maple leafs at the current moment, so Dion.
Available for a 3rd round pick.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Aug 8, 2011 8:08 AM MDT reply actions
Can we save this pic for a caption thread
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by SteveHouse on Aug 8, 2011 8:13 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
Dion Phaneuf
He was in danger of losing this title, but landing in Toronto has restored him to the thrown
Maybe
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see my note above.
Available for a 3rd round pick.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Aug 8, 2011 11:55 AM MDT up reply actions
The most overrated player
Has to be the Avalanche’s 2012 1st round pick.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
by c6hor8 on Aug 8, 2011 8:25 AM MDT reply actions 10 recs
Please enjoy this rec.
I need a drink, please.
by MalachiConstant on Aug 8, 2011 8:33 AM MDT up reply actions
I cannot rec this enough.
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by Jibblescribbits on Aug 8, 2011 8:35 AM MDT up reply actions
Lambert fouled up "What We Learned" .. again
Colorado Avalanche: Tim Kroenke, the guy who owns the Avs, is the 10th-richest owner in American sports. He also owns the Denver Nuggets, Colorado Rapids, St. Louis Rams and Arsenal. Which means he’s not going to be winning any titles at all for a long, long time.
A) Tim?
B) Rapids just won it last year mate. Did you even bother to look??
C) Arsenal aren’t that bad.
D) You’re a dick Lambert.
I need a drink, please.
who is Lambert?
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Aug 8, 2011 8:54 AM MDT up reply actions
oh wait, is that a PD guy?
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Aug 8, 2011 8:54 AM MDT up reply actions
yes
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by Jibblescribbits on Aug 8, 2011 8:55 AM MDT up reply actions
I just now figured out that Lambert is @twolinepass on Twitter. I’ve often found myself in the past thinking, “man that twolinepass dude is such a DICK and absolute IDIOT.” It makes so much more sense now.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Aug 8, 2011 9:08 AM MDT up reply actions
Lambert is only good when he is ripping on Osgood
The doctor's say he's got a 50/50 chance of living...though there's only a 10% chance of that. - The Naked Gun
That’s why I started following him in the first place. Those tweets were pure gold. He tried to argue with me about what is and what is not punk music. I brought logic into the conversation. He stopped conversing with me after that.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Aug 8, 2011 9:49 AM MDT up reply actions
Here’s a joke for you- How many punk rockers does it take to change a light bulb?
"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck" -Obi Wan Kenobi
I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?
Well, I know the answer is “none” but I can’t remember the punch line. lol.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Aug 8, 2011 12:10 PM MDT up reply actions
One to stand on the chair and change the light bulb, and another to kick the chair out from under him and say, “that was SO punk rock”
"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck" -Obi Wan Kenobi
I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?
Here’s another for you. How’d the hipster burn his mouth?
"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck" -Obi Wan Kenobi
I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?
He ate his vegan pizza before it was cool.
I need a drink, please.
by MalachiConstant on Aug 8, 2011 12:37 PM MDT up reply actions
How many flies does it take to screw in a light bulb?
We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.
by Bob in Boulder on Aug 8, 2011 1:12 PM MDT up reply actions
The funny thing is that he changed it to Stan…except, technically, sonny boy owns the Avs now…
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by Cheryl Bradley on Aug 8, 2011 9:01 AM MDT up reply actions
As if the Vancouver riots couldn’t seem any more idiotic, PD posts this piece on how the dipshits caused over $5k in damage to a church.
Picture this: Rioters, throwing chunks of concrete in an attempt to smash the windows of the parish hall; Father Glenn Dion, wearing his collar and out in the chaos, pleading for peace. His words go unheard, and $5,300 in damage is done.
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sigh I just don’t know what more can be said about it. It’s just so ridiculous. I don’t understand a lot that happened there.
It's all about the A-
by Sandie Gauthier on Aug 8, 2011 10:33 AM MDT up reply actions
Phil Kessel was one of the first names that came to mind. That was awesome when they picked the All Star teams and he was sitting and waiting and waiting and waiting some more.
Okay, picture caption time:
Galiardi: “I need an adult! I need an adult!”
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Gali: “Do these pants make my butt look big?”
Helm: “Hold on, let me get a better look.”
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by Sandie Gauthier on Aug 8, 2011 10:34 AM MDT up reply actions
Dany Heatley
Phil Kessel
Tomas Kaberle
Brian Campbell
Alex Burrows
Olli Jokenin
Mission 48.3 Accomplished!
Overrated?
Lambert didn’t fuck this one up, he really did have a super-quiet 29-goal season. The overrated Leaf discussion has to start with Phadouche and end with Kesselol.
It's all about the O'
Hf is trolls trolling trolls and degenerates.
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by SteveHouse on Aug 8, 2011 3:16 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Tyler Bozak
"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck" -Obi Wan Kenobi
I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?
WHAT?
You think THE Tyler Bozak is overrated? How… I don’t even…. What were you thinking saying something as blatantly wrong as that?!
Just a Colorado girl in Montana who <3s the Avs.
I think someone must have hacked my account. I don’t know how that could have gotten there otherwise.
"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck" -Obi Wan Kenobi
I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?
Last year I would have said Dustin Penner, but I think people have realize he’s not going to be that great and lowered his rating accordingly.
Brandon Morrow – He probably takes the cake.
Jay Bouwmeester comes to mind.
Past:
I think Hasek is one of the most overrated players of all time. He was mostly lucky with his wild flailing arms while he was on his back, unable to see anything. Luck is not the same as talent in my book.
On this site: Ian Laperriere – I understand why though. If you’re a big fan of a player, you’ll probably over-rate him a bit.
Bouwmeester entertains me. If you talk with a Flames fan about him they cowtow saying “No no we know he’s terrible and is not worth his salary” but when you turn your back they go on claiming how wonderful their team is led by an underpaid Bouwmeester.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
strongly disagree on Haek. Luck or not, he was effective.
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Aug 8, 2011 1:15 PM MDT up reply actions
Sure, he was good, but not the best. He almost always played for teams that were great defensively or just powerhouses in general. There are many out there that claim he was the best, and that to me is overrated.
Strongly disagree
He and Roy were the two greatest goalies of all time. Most advanced stats (GVT, adjusted Sv% etc) have them neck and neck. His save % is the best of all time. I don’t like him at all, but he’s the second greatest goalie who has ever played.
Maybe
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by Jibblescribbits on Aug 8, 2011 1:48 PM MDT up reply actions
and those Buffalo teams were definitely not stellar defensive teams.
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Aug 8, 2011 1:51 PM MDT up reply actions
Haven’t you noticed that almost every goalie to come out of Buffalo is awesome? Do you really think it’s because they are great goalies, or because they have help? We all know that great goalies can look horrible playing behind a crappy defense. Honestly, I think a lot of the goalies are really good, but good defense helps that out. I agree that Roy was one of the greatest of all time, but not Hasek.
Ty Conklin.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
Patrick Lalime & Martin Biron. I think it’s much more likely they happened to have gotten two really good goaltenders, with a nice stopgap of Biron between
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by Jibblescribbits on Aug 8, 2011 2:52 PM MDT up reply actions
2nd greatest goalie that ever played in the NHL, 3rd ever. Vladislav Tretiak is just behind Roy in my opinion. The first Soviet player in the NHL hall of fame that never played a game in the NHL.
Maybe an internet pipe froze and burst.
Yes, Comment amended. Tretiak is up there.
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by Jibblescribbits on Aug 8, 2011 2:41 PM MDT up reply actions
I don’t remember where I read it, though I’m pretty sure that it was on Desjardin’s blog, but there was a lengthy and very interesting article that asserted that Tretiak while stellar in international competitions for much of his career, may have been as much a product of stacked Soviet teams as inherent talent as it used stats from the old Soviet top league to demonstrate that Tretiak frequently didn’t acquit himself particularly well in domestic play.
Regardless, he was a monster when it counted.
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I think that is fair. As much as I hated Hasek when he was with the wheel, it’s hard to not acknowledge how incredible he was to watch. I think Roy’s career playoff success puts him head and shoulders above everyone else, however. And certainly above Hasek.
We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.
by Bob in Boulder on Aug 8, 2011 2:02 PM MDT up reply actions
I think Roy’s revolutionary style gives him the edge. How many goalies have been able to successfully replicate Hasek’s style? Thomas is the only one I can think of.
But Roy changed goaltending forever. Before he came in with the butterfly a .890 Save % was perfectly acceptable. In ‘87-88 he led the NHL with a .900 Save %. These days that’s a ticket to the AHL or at to Ottawa or Colorado.
I just think the revolutionary style pushes him above everyone else. (I realize I’m preaching to the choir)
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by Jibblescribbits on Aug 8, 2011 2:45 PM MDT up reply actions
Style? If that’s what you want to call it. His strategy is to throw his stick, lay down and flail his arms. While it works, he’s not that talented, which is why I think others don’t copy him.
It worked… really really well.
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by Jibblescribbits on Aug 8, 2011 2:52 PM MDT up reply actions
Not arguing that. I’m only arguing that it’s not really a talented strategy. Again though, I’m not saying he wasn’t really good, but I don’t think he belongs in the same conversations as Roy or Brodeur.
I don’t think Brodeur belongs in the same conversation as Roy.
We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.
by Bob in Boulder on Aug 8, 2011 2:57 PM MDT up reply actions
Playoff Success
Roy postseason record: 151-94, 4 cups, 3 Conn Smythes
Brodeur: 99-82, 3 cups, 0 Conn Smythes
And the 1993 Canadiens don’t win the cup with anyone other than Patrick Roy in net. Anyone in the history of the game.
We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.
by Bob in Boulder on Aug 8, 2011 3:09 PM MDT up reply actions
Because
there’s an entire blog (very good one too) devoted to how Brodeur is overrated
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by Jibblescribbits on Aug 8, 2011 4:16 PM MDT up reply actions
His record and longevity might suggest otherwise. I know he’s in the conversation for best all time just about everywhere but MHH. Did he have more shutouts than Roy? Yes. More wins? Yes. Did he benefit from a defense-first system? Yup. Did he play longer in the shootout era? Yes.
"It's all about the $"
Lawn defender since... crap, I can't remember.
I agree that Roy was better, but I think it’s a legit debate and I could see some arguing that Brodeur was better (not me though, so I won’t make the argument).
As a kid I loved Brodeur, the Nords hated the Habs, so for my “favorite goalie” I would always say Brodeur. Until I watched the game a bit more. I think Brodeur’s puck moving abilities were better than Roy’s, but I don’t think that is saying too much. I think if Roy could have had better puck moving control out of the net (not withstanding the time he brought it to center ice to score) there would be very little way for anyone to make the argument.
For me, look who had the bigger mark on the on-ice product. He changed the way future goalies played their position. I know he wasn’t the one to “invent” or even the first to utilize the butterfly technique, but he is the one who legitimized it. That plays a huge part in why I think he was a “better” goalie. Keep in mind, I dislike Roy, so I think I’m being fairly objective.
Also, Roy stepped out of the game as soon as he started playing, what he felt was, less than 100%. I don’t think the same can be said for Brodeur.
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by Sandie Gauthier on Aug 8, 2011 3:17 PM MDT up reply actions
It wasn’t a style. You guys are confusing styles and save techniques. Hasek was good because of his athleticism and his ability to react to the play around him. Roy was so good because of his athleticism and his ability to read plays and choose the appropriate save selection.
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some of those buffalo teams would have sucked if was for him singlehandedly bailing them out.
Available for a 3rd round pick.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Aug 8, 2011 1:51 PM MDT up reply actions
They sucked offensively. They were always good on the back-end (goalie and defense). That’s what always made them perform fairly decent. Of course, they’ve had off years, but defense alone won’t always work.
they had no one (of note) on D. A good system yes, but those teams go no where w/o hasek.
Available for a 3rd round pick.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Aug 8, 2011 4:21 PM MDT up reply actions
I love Lappy. Actually, I adore the man. I think he played his role very well.
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by Sandie Gauthier on Aug 8, 2011 1:21 PM MDT up reply actions
I agree that he played his role well. Unfortunately, the role wasn’t very important compared to a player like Joe Sakic or Matt Duchene. That’s why think he’s overrated. If you didn’t know any better and read some of the comments on this site, you might believe Lappy was a lock for the HOF. That’s why I think he’s overrated.
I think you’re misreading the comments. His value to the team was always his work ethic. Is that more important than top line centers? Of course not. I haven’t heard anyone say it is. But he is loved and not just by fans. His teammates love him as well. And look up to him. That goes a long way when a team is struggling. I believe he would have been very valuable to the team last season because of that.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Aug 8, 2011 1:57 PM MDT up reply actions
$$$$
Completely concur.
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by Sandie Gauthier on Aug 8, 2011 2:02 PM MDT up reply actions
I agree with you, mcarson01. He’s like a saint here (St. Lappy?), and intangibles are usually overrated (see Eckstein, David).
Nice to have, not irreplaceable in the slightest, can be replaced by many other salt-of-the-earth types. Really like the guy, but I doubt his presence on the team the past several years would have changed anything.
by Dan Winkler on Aug 8, 2011 4:35 PM MDT up reply actions
Is there anyone who thinks it would have been much better with him on the team? I think most everyone just likes watching him play, but realizes he’s a good 3rd liner, nothing more.
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by Jibblescribbits on Aug 8, 2011 5:05 PM MDT up reply actions
I didn’t write “much better,” and yes, looking at a few comments above, it seems that at least some people felt his presence would have affected the team in a positive manner.
You mad because Nashville snubbed Hannan for Jack Hillen or something?
by Dan Winkler on Aug 8, 2011 5:13 PM MDT up reply actions
Hmmmm
I’ll think about it and get back to you.
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by Sandie Gauthier on Aug 8, 2011 3:01 PM MDT up reply actions
Interesting. I thought while Drury was playing for us he played great. I could see the Tanguay argument though. He never really lived up to his billing.
I can see that with Drury, after he no longer played for us. Actually, that’s probably the case with a lot of our players that leave. But yeah, I can see how it was really bad with Drury. There are some people that actually want him to come back here. But I think they would be seriously disappointed with that pickup. Fortunately, the Avs don’t seem to have any interest.
Completely agree with you on Drury. I think Tanguay has gonoe to overrated while here, to under appreciated once he left.
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by Jibblescribbits on Aug 8, 2011 4:17 PM MDT up reply actions
Are we talking over the entire course of a career or just at any point?
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
Really? See I think that’s the opposite. Every goalie coming after Roy was seriously scrutinized. We all expected them to be as good as Roy, but that was never going to happen. Because of it, I felt like we underrated every goalie since then. Maybe with the exception of Anderson, who we probably overrated a little.
Brandon Morrow – He probably takes the cake.
mmmmmmmmm cake.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Aug 8, 2011 1:53 PM MDT up reply actions
But not the cupcakes…
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by Sandie Gauthier on Aug 8, 2011 2:02 PM MDT up reply actions
On this site: Ian Laperriere
This almost isn’t worth writing because it wont be read, but I really have to question this logic.
During his career, who would you want more in a third line role than Lappy? You want a fucking douche like Ott?
I can’t think of another player that played with more passion and honor. The guy loved his job and he made watching hockey fun. Saying a third line player isn’t important is like saying that 14 minutes of a game aren’t necessary. The guy is loved everywhere he goes because his personality transcends the game he plays.
I will say this… His presence might not have made a difference in the standings over the last couple of years, but it would have made watching last years trainwreck way more tolerable and fun for me (not to mention I would have loved having him in the SJ series the year before).
Why do they play this game again?
by Paul X on Aug 8, 2011 10:08 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
During his career, who would you want more in a third line role than Lappy?
So it sounds like you’re saying he was the best 3rd liner to ever play the game. That’s exactly my point, your overrating the hell out of him. I could come up with a huge list of players that I would rather have as a third-liner. Loving him or really really liking him, does not make him better than he actually is. Nothing wrong with loving him or being a huge fan though.
I could come up with a lot of players I’d rather have as a 3rd liner… but most of them should be on the second line.
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by Jibblescribbits on Aug 9, 2011 7:20 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
So it sounds like you’re saying he was the best 3rd liner to ever play the game
It’s hard to argue with that “logic”…..
During his career, who would you want more in a third line role than Lappy?
I could come up with a huge list of players that I would rather have as a third-liner.
If you are so inclined knock yourself out. If I can’t give you a reason I’d want Lappy instead I’ll take back the “who would you want more” statement. Let’s try to stay within the guidelines of my argument though, ok?
Here's the thing about Lappy
During his career he was pretty much a 20 point per season player, which doesn’t really sound like a lot….
…until you realize that 35 points is nominally a second line player.
so what else should a second liner have, well he should play the PK well (Lappy did), stick up for his teammates (yup), and be defensively sound (Stats only go back to 07, but since then Lappy’s Ozone start % has been 38.6%, 43.9% & 40.6%, so clearly coaches trust him immensely in his own zone.
I’m not sure you can find many 3rd liners who are better than Lappy was.
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by Jibblescribbits on Aug 9, 2011 8:07 AM MDT up reply actions
Because he’s not a second liner… Everyone here said he’s the perfect 3rd liner, no one wants him on the second line.
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by Jibblescribbits on Aug 9, 2011 9:02 AM MDT up reply actions
Pretty much all older players will have high Ozone starts. Defense matures with age.
That’s a pretty casually dismissive statement with exactly zero proof to back it up.
And even though I don’t have Ozone data back to 97-98 his SHTOI/game stays pretty consistent between 97-98 through present day. I’m going to go ahead and guess he’s always been pretty good at defense.
Chris Chelios, Darren McCarty & Dallas Drake all had very high Ozone percentages here, and they were ancient.
And here’s Paul Kariya and Andy McDonald with high OZone %’s
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by Jibblescribbits on Aug 9, 2011 9:01 AM MDT up reply actions
“During his career” was the guideline. To make it more relevant "during his career with the SCSI would be even better.
by Paul X on Aug 9, 2011 8:47 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Lol @ autocorrect….
“scsi” should read “Avs”.
by Paul X on Aug 9, 2011 8:48 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
OK, I also made it only Avs players, because I really don’t have time to go through all the NHL players that are better than him.
T.J. Galiardi
Ryan O’Reilly
Daniel Winnik
Jay McClement
Kevin Porter
Landeskog
Chuck Kobasew
J lindstrom
See what I did there, there’s no room for him on the team we currently have.
Here’s some more though
M Ricci
M Keane
A Deadmarsh
S Yelle
Kieth Jones
Steven Reinprecht
Shjon Podein
Steve Konowalchuk
Matthew Barnaby
Marek Svatos
Brett McLean
Wojtek Wolski – that’s right
You pretty much just lost all credibility when you just put Brett McLean, Kevin Porter, and Joakim Lindstrom (career TOI/g: 12:07, 28 career points, and someone you probably have never seen play as ore than "Random guy on the Coyotes when they played against the Avs) on this list.
Not to mention you’re way off on others too, but yeah you’re just wrong.
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by Jibblescribbits on Aug 9, 2011 9:09 AM MDT up reply actions
I would rather have any of those guys over Lappy right now. Even the ones without much experience. And apparently, so would the Avs.
Sure. “Right now.” Given that “right now” he’s had a career-ending concussion. It’s not “right now” that you all are talking about.
I get it though, none of you guys that are arguing are going to be convinced that Lappy wasn’t the best 3rd liner of all time. Go ahead and keep thinking that. I’m not going to argue with the brick wall anymore.
I would rather have
One Lappy than any two
People you have named
Your current Av list
Is completely laughable
None of them are close
by Paul X on Aug 9, 2011 2:24 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
So you would rather have Lappy instead of Keane and Ricci? To me, that sounds laughable. I suppose if you just like to see fights, then ok. But if you want to win hockey games, go with Ricci and Keane. Keane was considered one of the best penalty killer/defensive forwards in the league, in his prime, while Ricci could score and generate the same energy Lappy could.
Since when does an opinion have credibility? I don’t think so Jibblescripts, you’re just wrong! So I suppose you would take Lappy over Yelle, Ricci, Konowalchuk, Keane and Deadmarsh. What are you smoking?
Over Kono or Deadmarsh, no. But they were second liners, and the argument “pro-Lappy” people are making is that he’s a is that he’s a great 3rd liner. The only people I mentioned were McLean, the imaginary awesomeness of Joakim Lindstrom and current 4th liner/healthy scratch Kevin Porter.
Apparently Lappy was so unwanted that a Stanley Cup finalist wanted him.
Look you took a completely defensible opinion (Lappy is overrated by Avs fans) and when gently pressed for a defense (and what you mean by overrated) have presented straw men and pretty much no evidence to back it up.
Unfortunately, the role wasn’t very important compared to a player like Joe Sakic or Matt Duchene. That’s why think he’s overrated. If you didn’t know any better and read some of the comments on this site, you might believe Lappy was a lock for the HOF.
No one on this site has ever said that Lappy is or was better than Sakic or Duchene. Ever. No one believes Lappy should be in the hall of fame.
The only evidence you came up with that Lappy isn’t as good as this imaginary bar you think is set here is a strawman list of players you’d rather have over Lappy. Some are ridiculous because the guys are second liners, played in second line roles and everyone said Lappy is a 3rd liner: Kono, Deadmarsh, Wolski, Svatos & really McLean played a second line role here as well. So putting those guys on the list is a classic straw man.
Then you put guys on the list who don’t even fit your own criteria: I mean you make this statement above
I was thinking while they were playing for the Avs.
And then in your list you put guys who haven’t even played for the team yet (Kobasew, Landeskog, Lindstrom) and McClement has barely played a few (and he was pretty terrible in that stretch).
So what is it? Is it while they are an Av, or over their career, or at their peak? What’s your judgment criteria for overrated? because over the course of a career, Lappy is 100 times better than McLean, but at their peak, I think you couple make a case for McLean. But if that’s your criteria there’s no possible way you can include Lindstrom on your list. And if your criteria is while they are an Av you can’t include a whole host of guys.
So, to recap, from the beginning of your statement you started at “Fans think he’s a HoFer” to he’s worse than these second line players, to he’s worse than these players while they were playing for the Avs, to these players who were good while not on the Avs, and the imaginary awesomeness of these players. I mean it’s impossible to even have a back and forth about it when you’re constantly moving the bar. At this point, I have no idea what you’re basing the “Lappy is overrated” on.
Not to mention when someone (me) offered some tangible evidence to back up my statement you were casually dismissive with a statement that seems more pulled out of your ass than fact. Do you know older players have a lower ozone%? Have you ever even looked at that? or did you just pull it out of your ass because it seems to fit with your hypothesis, and at first glance seems true?
And even if you were right about it (and I don’t think you are) we’re judging Lappy based on his time here, yes? So who cares if he got higher ozone% because, based on your unsubstantiated hypothesis: he’s older and his defense is better with age. The point is: his defense was better with age, meaning his defense peaked while he was with the Avs, and since that’s supposed to be the criteria we’re judging him against why would it matter why he got a lot of defensive starts, as long as he did.
I think there may be a case that Lappy is overrated by Avs fans, but I think you have done a really really awful job making that case.
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by Jibblescribbits on Aug 9, 2011 10:02 AM MDT up reply actions
Only 6.3!?!… it wouldn’t even all fit on my screen, I have to scroll (although it is inflated by 2 uses of blockquotes)
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by Jibblescribbits on Aug 9, 2011 10:52 AM MDT up reply actions
Seriously, you put a potentially controversial opinion out there (which is fine) and when very gently pressed for something to back it up, you have given nothing to back it up, given inconsistent parameters and been dismissive of any actual evidence presented.
I’m really not trying to be a jackass, but your train of thought has been down right baffling.
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by Jibblescribbits on Aug 9, 2011 10:56 AM MDT up reply actions
It’s my opinion and how I present my opinion is my business. If you think I’m missing certain points for a given side of the argument, then feel free to take a shot at presenting the argument better. Or disagree, whatever. Don’t tell me that my way of sharing my opinion sucks, because I don’t care. It’s my opinion.
For clarity, the players I presented were players I would rather have than Lappy, on a third line. It doesn’t matter to me one bit if they played a game for the Avs, or played a NHL game at all. I limited the list to previous Avs players and future Avs players because I didn’t have time to go into more. There are only so many spots on a team, and somebody with potential of being better than a 3rd liner, is better than somebody that’s already maxed out at a 3rd liner.
I totally apologize for questioning you. I can’t state anything better than what Jibs has said above so I wont. Your list can easily be broken down and the only players I see on it that are even the same ballpark (for the roles they play and the style at which they play them) are Ricci and Barnaby.
Barnaby was a dick and had less than 1/8th of the class and passion that Lappy had.
Ricci I will give you. Though you are comparing apples to oranges.
Since when does an opinion have credibility?
It’s my opinion and how I present my opinion is my business. If you think I’m missing certain points for a given side of the argument, then feel free to take a shot at presenting the argument better. Or disagree, whatever. Don’t tell me that my way of sharing my opinion sucks, because I don’t care. It’s my opinion.
I really dislike this attitude. Of course different people’s opinions have different amounts of credibility. There are some opinions which don’t need a reason behind them: like what’s your favorite color? or What’s your favorite flavor of ice cream? No matter what you say: it’s personal preference there’s.
But then there’s stuff with real substance. Stan Bowman’s opinion on hockey players matters has a whole fuck-ton more credibility than either of ours. Of course his opinion on whether Pluto should have been re-classified as a dwarf planet means dick to me because he’s not an astro-physicist. Mike Brown and Neil DeGrasse Tyson, however, have opinions that have credibility.
Likewise our opinion on hockey players has way more credibility than my friend who has watched the Avs 3 times in 2 years.
It’s easy to give an opinion, it’s hard to back it up with substance. Any asshole can say Saving Private Ryan deserved the Best Picture Oscar over Shakespeare in Love, but that opinion means little unless coming from a film critic or expert in film even if the two opinions agree.
We’re not on a 24hour news network here, opinions should have some substance behind them. You can’t just throw out some controversial statement and then just say “That’s just, like, my opinion man”.
I initially found your opinion interesting. “Lappy is overrated here”. That’s a mildly controversial, but potentially interesting thing to talk about. But it’s not the opinion that’s potentially interesting it’s the way you came to that conclusion that might be interesting. And the debate that follows. Agree or disagree, the process of thought that reaches that conclusion is what makes for great conversation debate and discussion. If you can’t defend your position and explain your logic you may as well have said “Tacos are overrated”.
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by Jibblescribbits on Aug 9, 2011 2:47 PM MDT up reply actions
Well, it’s not like I was throwing out a crazy statement that nobody agreed with. Some have the same opinion here at MHH. And I think that if you went to sites other than MHH, you would find many more people that don’t think Lappy is as good of a player as some here suggest.
In general though, it seems like to you it’s a debate that’s worth winning. To me, it’s a discussion, that I have no intention of winning. I mean, I’ll throw out my opinion and defend it with a small amount of effort, but I’m not too interested in convincing someone that refuses to be convinced.
I’m not saying your way is bad, you obviously like to really get down and dirty with the debate. Nothing wrong with that, and you’re pretty good at it too. But for me, I’m not really too concerned if my debating skills aren’t polished, which is the only reason I was offended by your comments. It wasn’t that you disagreed at all, it was that you were telling me that my way of presenting my opinion sucked. And while it may, I don’t need you to tell me that.
I can agree that if you present your opinion as a blog, you should present it with facts etc… But as far as comments go, if you think tacos are overrated, say it.
I can agree that if you present your opinion as a blog, you should present it with facts etc… But as far as comments go, if you think tacos are overrated, say it.
I think if you give any opinion you should be able to back it up with some knowledge of where it comes from. There’s way too many uniformed people in the world giving their opinions way too much weight.
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by Jibblescribbits on Aug 9, 2011 3:33 PM MDT up reply actions
I’m sure we could come up with some examples that I would agree with you on that. But when it comes to rating players, a lot of it is within the eye of the beholder. And if two players are even remotely close, a consensus amongst fans will be rare. With Lappy, he’s the one that I think fans overrate the most. But I don’t see how I can prove that one way or the other. It’s more of a general gut feel from what I’ve seen on this site in the last few years.
My list of players that I would rather have than Lappy was a very quick rating that I did in my head, without going into much depth. But In my very quick opinion, those players in the past would edge him out. As far as the players that haven’t played yet, like Landeskog, that’s where I think the potential to have something better beats the maxed out player. And I would include others like Lindstrom and Kobesew in that.
I don’t have a problem with giving a gut feeling about players, you’ve clearly watched the Avs over the years. That’s fine. I just found it to be very very inconsistent, both with your own criteria and with the criteria laid out by people rating Lappy pretty high.
Like I said above, you put clear cut 2nd liners in there (Kono, Deader, Wolski,even Svats and McLean) when I think most would say that Lappy’s years with the Avs weren’t as good as theirs, mainly because he’s a 3rd liner. Had he been a second liner, or people thought that’s where he should have been, the comparison would be fair.
Not to mention I’d disagree with you, pretty vehemently, on some of the players you put on the list. On some of the players my disagreement would be a lot more mild, and on some it requires a bit more definition (Kobasew at his peak is better than Lappy at his peak, but his peak only lasted for a few seasons. Lappy was very consistent through the course of an entire career)
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by Jibblescribbits on Aug 9, 2011 5:02 PM MDT up reply actions
Like I said above, you put clear cut 2nd liners in there (Kono, Deader, Wolski,even Svats and McLean) when I think most would say that Lappy’s years with the Avs weren’t as good as theirs, mainly because he’s a 3rd liner. Had he been a second liner, or people thought that’s where he should have been, the comparison would be fair.
I understand what you mean and it’s a fair argument. I did struggle with putting them in the list but because those players had a lot of time on 3rd line, I figured it would be fair. I’ve thought about those guys as somewhat fringe 2nd/3rd line players. But I can see your point that it might not be fair to compare them. The problem I had coming up with the list is that there are so many players that transitionally play on the 3rd line, and eventually move up. Unfortunately for Lappy though, that’s where a lot of his competition comes from. If we are just talking about career 3rd liners, I would reduce the list to the following:
Ryan O’Reilly – debatable, cause he may be a top 6 guy.
Daniel Winnik
Jay McClement – True, he hasn’t played on the Avs very long, but I would still rather have him. I think he could eventually be one of the best shutdown forwards.
Porter – I know this one may be a stretch but I think he has more raw talent and I would prefer to have him because his potential could be higher.
Kobasew – I think we’ll see him increase output this year. If he does though, you could make the argument that it’s not fair to compare because he could be top 6.
M Ricci – sort of top 6 but he mostly played 3rd/4th with us.
M Keane – One of the best to ever play 3rd, IMO.
S Yelle – Another one of the best.
Shjon Podein – Kind of a poor man’s Yelle. Not head and shoulders above Lappy though.
Matthew Barnaby – This is pretty close but I think I would still choose Barnaby, because I think he’s a hair better at getting under the skin of opposing players.
The Avs all-time best 3rd line, IMO is Lappy-Yelle-Keane.
I think you’re overrating Ricci a bit (and actually think you’re underrating Lappy quite a bit. He was very good defensively). I think you’re really overrating Barnaby and Porter.
I think McClement has a lot of potential (Blues fans love him to the point they think he should have been a Selke candidate. I won’t go that far, but I like him).
I like Winnik too, but I think Lappy was better. O’Reilly has potential, but he’s not there yet (he is on his way though).
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by Jibblescribbits on Aug 9, 2011 6:34 PM MDT up reply actions
Interesting takes.
I liked the fact that Lappy was good at defense and actually I think that was his best trait. But, I don’t think it’s incredibly hard to find others that are just as good in that area. And that’s where my older comment came in. Most guys that are not really offensive, and have stayed in the NHL for a decent stretch, are pretty decent at defense. Cause if they suck at both offense and defense, their career probably wouldn’t last too long.
It could be that I’m underrating him a bit. Although, when I say he’s the most overrated Av, I mean that he has a high frequency of being overrated, rather than being overrated to a highest degree.
I do see an element of jackassery (c) here,
but it ain’t from Jibbles.
It’s cool if you think Lappy’s overrated, but if you expect a modicum of respect for that position from this cohort for that position, you’ll be obliged to defend it logically.
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I think if you look over the thread again, you’ll see I did defend my opinion for quite a while. I didn’t get upset until I felt I was being attacked for the way I presented my opinion.
I didn’t get frustrated with you until you said this
Pretty much all older players will have high Ozone starts. Defense matures with age.
That’s not presented as an opinion, that’s presented as a fact, and it’s far from a fact. I don’t know if it’s intentional or not but presenting something in this manner is a great way to be completely dismissive and slightly condescending to something that goes against your opinion without doing anything to actually debate the evidence.
That’s incredibly frustrating to me. (As a man of science this happens all the time to experts in their field. They spend years of their lives researching something, come to a conclusion and someone says presents something that’s not a fact as a fact and suddenly that is given equal weight as the research the guy meticulously cataloged for years.)
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by Jibblescribbits on Aug 9, 2011 3:31 PM MDT up reply actions
I don’t have evidence to back that up, but to be honest, I thought that was a common opinion amongst most hockey enthusiast. I mean, most people seem to agree that young players are rarely defensively responsible, but in given time they will be. And if you look at a lot of guys that have slowed down offensively, that can still stick around in the NHL, it’s mostly because they are good defensively. Of course, that doesn’t mean all older guys are good defensively, but I think it’s something that comes with experience in the NHL. That is just my opinion of what I’ve seen over the years.
A common opinion isn’t necessarily an accurate one.
(I’d even advise you to above where, even if it is true I’m not sure why that matters to an opinion of Lappy’s time here)
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by Jibblescribbits on Aug 9, 2011 3:56 PM MDT up reply actions
Hmm
This is definitely about .8 of a Dan.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
We really should keep a running record of some sort for best Dan score.
I need a drink, please.
by MalachiConstant on Aug 9, 2011 3:58 PM MDT up reply actions
A week or two ago, after Dan held one of his characteristically overoptimistic, rainbows & sunshine, kumbaya, Altiboob type of moments, I suggested that we establish a Dan scale similar to the Richter scale that measures the power of earthquakes in order to attempt to quantity his nearly boundless happiness and joy.
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quantity
quantify
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how about Rick Nash? or Marion Gaborik?
I am the most humble blogger of all time
by David Driscoll-Carignan on Aug 8, 2011 1:15 PM MDT reply actions
I think Gabby is very overrated. He is a cherry picker, reminding me of Jagr.
We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.
by Bob in Boulder on Aug 8, 2011 1:16 PM MDT up reply actions
Hangs out outside of the blue line when the other team has the puck looking for breakaway opportunities. Not at all defensively responsible.
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by Bob in Boulder on Aug 8, 2011 5:32 PM MDT up reply actions
Mike Richards
There, I said it. I really don’t think he’s as good as he is proclaimed.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
Brodeur, Phaneuf and Jack Johnson now. Back in the day, no one was more overrated than Derian Hatcher.
I'll keep this brief.
Kings fans are still Sitting, Waiting, Wishing
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by Jibblescribbits on Aug 8, 2011 2:49 PM MDT up reply actions
TJ Hensick. At least by some, especially those who renig on bets.
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I think it’s renege dear… :)
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by Jibblescribbits on Aug 8, 2011 2:47 PM MDT up reply actions
I think it’s renegade
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
You don’t grade a renegade.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
especially one that has an affinity for funk.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
except us. We grade them. Well the staff does, we just critique.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
Yah, yah, you knew what I meant.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Aug 8, 2011 3:18 PM MDT up reply actions
So overrated teams are bashing down his door to give him a ridiculous 10-year contract in which he makes $18M (real money, $8M cap hit) over the next 2 years…
Oh wait, that’s Christian Errorhoff you say. Let’s go with Ehrhoff then.
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by Jibblescribbits on Aug 8, 2011 5:07 PM MDT up reply actions
No, it's Hannan
Overrated by his agent and himself. I mean, he is LITERALLY overrated – that’s the only possible explanation for him not being signed yet, right? He (or his formerly awesome agent) overestimated how many years a team would want to sign him for, and how much money a team would want to pay him.
by Dan Winkler on Aug 8, 2011 5:16 PM MDT up reply actions
Who knows why he isn’t signed yet. But all things equal, I’d probably take Hannan over Ehrhoff
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by Jibblescribbits on Aug 8, 2011 5:17 PM MDT up reply actions
Who knows why he isn’t signed yet.
I do.
By building the requisite expertise by closely reading his body language in game tapes and post-game interviews in replay, I can say that the reason for him remaining unsigned is equal parts East Coast bias and the reduced level of respect exhibited by players to one another in today’s league when compared to the past.
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by Hopfenkopf on Aug 8, 2011 5:40 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
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