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2011 Colorado Avalanche Blogger Roundtable Day 11: The Goalies

 

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The only question mark about the Avalanche goaltending going into last season was whether Craig Anderson would play 60 games or 70 games. Things didn't quite work out as expected and the Avalanche have gone in a different direction between the pipes. How confident are you in the tandem of Varlamov and Giguere and how many games do you see each playing

Yes, yes, the goalies again. Looking back, we probably had one too many goalie questions and perhaps could have had one more about the forwards. But, damn, the goalie position is just so vital and the Avalanche have been trying to replace Patrick Roy for so long, and having Craig Anderson do his Lucy-pulling-the-football-away trick just makes everyone crave a competent goalie all that more.

Adrian Dater, Denver Post: I'll say 52 for Varly and 30 for Jiggy. People forget it was only four years ago that Jiggy led a team to a Stanley Cup. He says he's healthier than he's been in years after sports hernia surgery, so I think he'll be good. I cannot say either way on Varlamov until I really see him play a few games. You just never really know a player until you see him live for a while. You simply can't know a guy by watching tape - it has to be in person. It's weird that way in hockey - you only really watch the guys on "your" side. Everything else is a blur.

Brett Shumway, Mile High Hockey: In the wake of the Avs saddest tandem ever in Budaj/Elliot, I'm so confident in the new additions that I went out and got a tattoo covering my entire back of Varly and Giggy tending creases opposite of each other with a grave stone in between them that reads: R.I.P. Craig Anderson 2009-2011. [Thankfully, photos weren't provided]

Matt Muzia, SBN Denver: I like this tandem quite a bit. Everything you hear from Varlamov makes me as a fan scream "Yes! I want this kid on my team!" His stats in limited play are off the charts good, and he's genuinely exciting to watch. I'd love to see him start 55 games this year, but will be happy with 45. Giguere is Giguere. Still good enough to be a quality backup, but if he starts more than 25 games next year there could be trouble.

Ryan Boulding, The Avalanche Guild: I'm confident that Semyon Varlamov will work to stay healthy and that he'll easily beat his career high in games played. I could see him somewhere in the 50's to start. It will be interesting to see where Jean-Sebastien Giguere fits into all of this as he's had offseason surgery. He also apparently has a water absorption issue, which could hinder him in stretch games. The beauty though is that the Avalanche have a secret weapon with Cedrick Desjardins down in Lake Erie now. Depending on how he has rehabbed his surgically repaired shoulder, he could easily pick up any slack left behind. I'm less concerned about games played because I know that, between the two or three of them, the Avs are far better off in goal than they have been in years.

Mike Verminski, Put It On Ice: I'm fairly confident, but nervous because both have a history of injuries. If both remain healthy throughout the season, which isn't likely, I want to see Varly play 50-55 games and Giggy get the rest.

AJ Haefele, Mile High Hockey: I'm extremely confident in the ability of both players to fill the roles I believe the team envisions each guy in with Varly as the starter and Giguere as the veteran backup. The health is the only real question for me and my confidence there is pretty shaken. A lot of talk has been made of Varly's issues with the Capitals training staff and that being a big reason for his prolonged injuries but with Colorado's injury history over the last...5-10 years or so, I'd say coming to Colorado isn't likely to be a magical elixir for him. Ideally I would say 50-55 starts for Varly and the rest for Giguere. Realistically...well, I hope we have Ray Emery's number lying around...

I'm very confident in the goaltending tandem for the Avs going into next season. I think both goalies are determined to prove themselves: Varlamov wants to show he's an elite goaltender in this league, while Giguere wants to remind everyone he still has it. How many games they play depends, obviously, on health. This is the beautiful part of this tandem, though. If either one goes down, I feel certain the other will be able to pick up the ball and run with it. Er, wrong sport. But you meant what I knew.

Cheryl Bradley, Mile High Hockey & Avalanche Breakaway: Varly brings that swag and killer instinct Avs fans love so much. He's able to make those acrobatic, highlight reel saves that leave you wondering how the hell the puck didn't hit twine. Giguere brings a solid veteran presence that calms the nerves. I can already hear myself saying, "It's cool. Jiggy's got this." Either way, the team in front of these goaltenders will feel secure, knowing their boys will be there to help them out and steal some games when needed. I predict, injury free, Varlamov will play 55 games, and Jiggy will man the net for 27.

Angélique Murray, Colorado Avalanche Prospects, Mile High Hockey & Chicks Who Give A Puck: It's hard to imagine the Avs goaltending situation being worse than last season. My biggest fear with the new duo is injuries. I'm also not sure how much Giguere has left in the tank. Nonetheless, I expect he'll start at least 25 games this year with the remaining starts going to Varlamov. If Giguere plays more than 25 games, that's probably not good news for the Avalanche when it comes to Varlamov's condition or performance.

Jaye Horbay, Mile High Sticking: I think based on last years' numbers; a wet mop could have stopped more than the Elliott/Budaj/NotGiveAShitAndy trio. This being said, I'm pretty confident the overall Goals Against will be less than last year.  I see Varly playing about 60-65 games this year and Jiggy cleaning up the mess at 15-20. All of the above of course hinges on someone not tweaking this or pulling that and sending yet another year into a free falling tailspin of doom. Did I say I was confident a couple sentences ago? What I really meant to say was I'm slightly concerned that all these ‘experts' are right and we have two lame duck goalies - again. /starts erecting shrine to hockey gods.

Sandie Gauthier, Mile High Hockey: I'm cautiously optimistic. I think it'll be a fairly even split, perhaps 45 games for Varlamov and 37 games for JS Giguere. 

David from Slovakia, Eurolanche: Firstly, I remember how everybody was mad about Varlamov´s trade. But then when Giguere was added, most of fans had started to like our new goalies. I like them too - on the one side is still young goalie and on the other side veteran and the Stanley Cup winner. If everything goes good, Varlamov will play 60 games and Giguere the rest.

Pavol from Austria, Eurolanche: : As I said before, we have two very balanced goalie tandem, so I am very confident with that. Management said that Varlamov will be the goalie number one and I like that idea. I think Semyon can play like 50 - 60 matches, the rest will be taken by Giguere. Anyway, everything will depend on Varlamov's form.

Aaron Musick, HockeyBuzz: Cautiously optimistic. They have talent but it's either unproven or appears to be in the past. Both have injury problems as well. Assuming health, Varlamov should play 55-60 games and Giguere 25-30 games.

Mike Chambers, Denver Post: I think it's a good youngster/veteran rotation and they'll go around 52-30 in starts if both remain healthy.

Geoff Rosenthal, The Avs Factor: As a friend/Caps fan told me yesterday, "Varly will be good as long as he can stay healthy." The Avs seem to be cursed when it comes to medical issues; thus, my overall level of optimism is just one step above sea level. But I think if Varlamov CAN stay healthy, he's looking at playing 50-55 games.

Andi D, Mile High Hockey: Despite their injury records, I'm very confident in Varly and Giggy.  Varlamov is the future of this franchise - after what we gave up to get him, I doubt we'll be trading him for another Brian Elliott.  Besides, the "Colurahdo Havalanche" were his favorite team growing up and he seems positively thrilled to be wearing the burgundy and blue.  That attitude, combined with his buckets of talent and (from what I can tell) his desire to put all this "he was the Caps third goalie" nonsense to bed should help propel him to the starting position.  Giggy will be a backup, but could easily be one of the best backups in the league.  Even at 35, he's still a Conn Smythe winner with years of experience.  Despite his recent run-ins with injury, I'm hoping he still has a few more years left in the tank.  Tim Thomas is 37 and still awesome - there's no reason why a 35 year-old Giggy can't be at least decent at his age.  I expect around a Varly 52 / Giggy 30 or so split this year because Giggy will constantly be pushing Varly for that top job.  This is the best goalie tandem we've had since Roy left. 

Derek Bell, Mile High Hockey: This is the most excited I've been about a goaltending tandem since Roy and Aeibischer during the 2000-01 season, and we all remember what happened that season. Now let's be 100% clear here, this team is NOWHERE near as talented as that team was. As a matter of fact I don't think another Avs team will ever boast that kind of lineup again, but I digress.  I believe that Varlamov will be the starter on opening night being that the Avs paid as much as they did for him. I predict Varly to start somewhere between 55-60 games with Giggy starting the remainder of the games.

Austin Snow, Avs Chill Zone: I am quite confident, but how can't you be when the team finished last season with Budaj and Elliott?

I think Varlamov stays relatively healthy through the year, and he plays 50-60 games. Giguere will be able to play 20+ games competently, and maybe even pretty successfully. 

Mike @ MHH, Mile High Hockey: In a perfect world, pretty confident. In a world filled with exploding groins, not very.  25, and 35, respectively.

Stephen Crociata, Mile High Sticking and SBNation New York: I'm quite confident, maybe too confident, but I believe the Avalanche have a tandem who complement each other well. Varlamov will have a great teacher in Giguere and the fact neither guy will have to over work will allow for both to stay healthy. I see Varlamov starting 48 games and Giguere 34.

David Driscoll-Carignan, Mile High Hockey: In three of his four years as a coach, Joe Sacco has evenly distributed the goaltending duties. Other than Anderson's 71 start freakazoid season in '09, no other goalie has seen 50 starts under Skipper Joe. Meanwhile, J.S. Giguere has never had less than 30 appearances in a season since turning pro and Semyon Varlamov has yet to make 35 appearances as a pro. I think the split is going to surprise people. It says here that Giguere has a comeback season and starts 60 games.

Of course, I'll look like a genius if I'm right. If I'm wrong, I can always come back and edit it. Either way, we close things up tomorrow with some final bold season predictions.

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I still like the Varly trade™.

A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.

by c6hor8 on Sep 15, 2011 7:11 AM MDT reply actions  

Is there a patent pending as well?

Stabilize your rear deflectors, watch for enemy fighters.

by chiavsfan on Sep 15, 2011 7:23 AM MDT up reply actions  

I’m continually glad we traded for Varly (special little TM thing that I don’t know how to do)

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As grandma always says, Fuck the Red Wings, indeed.

by David Danger on Sep 15, 2011 7:46 AM MDT up reply actions  


put “tm” between these ( )
®
©
But be careful where you use them, SeeWhores has a team of lawyers ready to pounce if you infringe on his trade mark.

Datsyuk may have done it first, but he learned it from Peter Forsberg.

Thanks for everything Foppa!
Footer: We'll miss seeing you clear the riff raff off your lawn.

by Americanario on Sep 15, 2011 7:53 AM MDT up reply actions  

If the lawyers are hot it’s ok.

Nothing is beautiful and true.

by Paul X on Sep 15, 2011 9:26 AM MDT up reply actions  

Why thank you Paul, I needed that shot of confidence.

A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.

by c6hor8 on Sep 15, 2011 9:28 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

The hot lawyers are his whores…

Stabilize your rear deflectors, watch for enemy fighters.

by chiavsfan on Sep 15, 2011 9:34 AM MDT up reply actions  

Pshhh. Boys can’t be lawyers.

Nothing is beautiful and true.

by Paul X on Sep 15, 2011 9:35 AM MDT up reply actions  

I’m not worried about their splits. I am excited that even a semi-gimpy Varly, and an aging hurty JS is better than the three tent stakes we had in goal last year (and I may be Anderson’s biggest fan…remember, we are in bed together).

I just want W’s and a healthy Varlamov has provided them, as has a healthy Giguere

Stabilize your rear deflectors, watch for enemy fighters.

by chiavsfan on Sep 15, 2011 7:22 AM MDT reply actions  

At the end of the day “I just want W’s” is really all that matters.

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As grandma always says, Fuck the Red Wings, indeed.

by David Danger on Sep 15, 2011 7:45 AM MDT up reply actions  

Dumb question:

When people say Jiggy for Giguere are you saying it like “let’s get jiggy wit it.” or are you prounouncing it with a soft g like how his actual name is said?"
I’ve never heard it said aloud in reference to him, only in writing.

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As grandma always says, Fuck the Red Wings, indeed.

by David Danger on Sep 15, 2011 7:44 AM MDT reply actions  

I’m saying it like jiggy.

I am the most humble blogger of all time

by David Driscoll-Carignan on Sep 15, 2011 8:02 AM MDT up reply actions  

Jiggity Jiggity Joo.

A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.

by c6hor8 on Sep 15, 2011 8:09 AM MDT up reply actions  

Like the song.

And it has begun....

by Cheryl Bradley on Sep 15, 2011 8:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yup, that’s how I say it, but I say Giguere the proper way.

It's all about the A-

by Sandie Gauthier on Sep 15, 2011 9:03 AM MDT up reply actions  

Of course you do…because you are you

Stabilize your rear deflectors, watch for enemy fighters.

by chiavsfan on Sep 15, 2011 9:34 AM MDT up reply actions  

Is that a compliment or a dig? Hahaa

It's all about the A-

by Sandie Gauthier on Sep 15, 2011 10:09 AM MDT up reply actions  

I used to do it like everyone else, but now I’m gonna use the hard G sound. It reminds me of spearing carp in my youth.

Nothing is beautiful and true.

by Paul X on Sep 15, 2011 9:28 AM MDT up reply actions  

Firstly, I remember how everybody was mad about Varlamov´s trade. But then when Giguere was added, most of fans had started to like our new goalies.

An interesting observation from “David from Slovakia”. Certainly true for me. I was a bit unnerved by the the time the trade came around, so I wasn’t immediately overjoyed with the loss of a 1st rounder. The addition of JSG definitely helped build a lot more confidence in our goaltending situation for me.

I need a drink, please.

by MalachiConstant on Sep 15, 2011 7:56 AM MDT reply actions  

I agree. Varlamov and Budaj I’m less confident in (and that’s from a Budaj supporter)

I am the most humble blogger of all time

by David Driscoll-Carignan on Sep 15, 2011 8:03 AM MDT up reply actions  

It also showed the Avs front office wasn’t just throwing darts at a wall. They had a plan in place and they are clearly aware goaltending was an issue. Some people, some absurdly negative people, on here thought they wouldn’t do anything.

A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.

by c6hor8 on Sep 15, 2011 8:10 AM MDT up reply actions  

I officially dub thee Sir c6hor8, White Knight of Shermalot.

4th biggest pessimist of MHH.
"There's always next season." -- Jimmy Howard on not winning the Calder Trophy.

by Dixomatic on Sep 15, 2011 8:38 AM MDT up reply actions  

About. Fucking. Time.

A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.

by c6hor8 on Sep 15, 2011 9:20 AM MDT up reply actions  

I have snark regret. Shermwood Forrest sounds better.

4th biggest pessimist of MHH.
"There's always next season." -- Jimmy Howard on not winning the Calder Trophy.

by Dixomatic on Sep 15, 2011 10:06 AM MDT up reply actions  

Shermwood

Nah, it makes me think of what’s going on inside his pants when the NHL announces that the salary cap will be going down.

Nothing is beautiful and true.

by Paul X on Sep 15, 2011 10:19 AM MDT up reply actions  

Proper Heraldry doesn’t feature letters on the shield

/Heraldry semi-nerd.

Maybe
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time

by Jibblescribbits on Sep 15, 2011 10:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

There’s no “semi” when citing the rules of heraldry. That’s an all-in proposition.

4th biggest pessimist of MHH.
"There's always next season." -- Jimmy Howard on not winning the Calder Trophy.

by Dixomatic on Sep 15, 2011 11:00 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

It’s like herpes.

A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.

by c6hor8 on Sep 15, 2011 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions  

The whoring guy would know.

Maybe
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time

by Jibblescribbits on Sep 15, 2011 12:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

I was just asked if I might want to work on a 2 month project where I would have to travel to Denver in October and November. Hmmm….what would I possible do in Denver at that time of year? Any ideas?

A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.

by c6hor8 on Sep 15, 2011 8:09 AM MDT reply actions  

You could not watch the Nuggets play.

I love it
2 Wing fans disagreeing about a potential deal for Shea Weber in the comments section of a post about the Avalanche.

Winging It In Motown
by Amerinadian on Sep 12, 2011 9:51 AM PDT up reply 1 recs

by Randy Time on Sep 15, 2011 8:13 AM MDT up reply actions  

I LOVE not watching the Nuggets play!

Forever grateful that Joe Sakic isn't a raging dick hole like Brett Favre.

by Rather Dashing on Sep 15, 2011 8:17 AM MDT up reply actions  

not this season

Maybe
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time

by Jibblescribbits on Sep 15, 2011 10:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

Swim. Ski. Watch Avalanche games.

Nothing is beautiful and true.

by Paul X on Sep 15, 2011 9:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

Once you know if/when you’ll be in town, there should be plans made for scotch and hockey.

I need a drink, please.

by MalachiConstant on Sep 15, 2011 9:35 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah that might happen. I am hoping it goes through, I was trying to not act TOO excited.

A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.

by c6hor8 on Sep 15, 2011 9:37 AM MDT up reply actions  

ZOMG

Hopf is IN!

2011-2012 Lokomotiv Yaroslavl: Vyechnaya Pamyat!
2011-2012 Colorado Avalanche: The possibility exists that this may not suck.

by Hopfenkopf on Sep 15, 2011 10:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

Done, I’ll let you know if it happens.

A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.

by c6hor8 on Sep 16, 2011 6:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

Nuggets ticks are going to be cheap.

I'll keep this brief.

by Dario on Sep 15, 2011 9:36 AM MDT up reply actions  

I always figured those guys had lice, not ticks. Ticks being more of an outdoorsy thing that you get hiking.

2011-2012 Lokomotiv Yaroslavl: Vyechnaya Pamyat!
2011-2012 Colorado Avalanche: The possibility exists that this may not suck.

by Hopfenkopf on Sep 15, 2011 10:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

As much as I am excited for the Avs new goalie tandem. I can’t help but wish they had used the 2013 first as opposed to the 2012. This is supposed to be a super deep draft and that pick would have been nice to hold onto just in case the Avs do something crazy like get injured for a combined 480ish games.

I love it
2 Wing fans disagreeing about a potential deal for Shea Weber in the comments section of a post about the Avalanche.

Winging It In Motown
by Amerinadian on Sep 12, 2011 9:51 AM PDT up reply 1 recs

by Randy Time on Sep 15, 2011 8:17 AM MDT reply actions  

What can I say, I’m in a happier mood lately.

I love it
2 Wing fans disagreeing about a potential deal for Shea Weber in the comments section of a post about the Avalanche.

Winging It In Motown
by Amerinadian on Sep 12, 2011 9:51 AM PDT up reply 1 recs

by Randy Time on Sep 15, 2011 8:29 AM MDT up reply actions  

Hand a guy a stripe and suddenly he thinks he’s on top of the world.

I need a drink, please.

by MalachiConstant on Sep 15, 2011 8:33 AM MDT up reply actions  

Honestly the stripe has nothing to do with it (although I do giggle inside whenever I hear myself referred to as Sergeant). We just ended an exercise today. Super thrilled to not be wearing chem gear for 12 hours straight and to have my days off back.

I love it
2 Wing fans disagreeing about a potential deal for Shea Weber in the comments section of a post about the Avalanche.

Winging It In Motown
by Amerinadian on Sep 12, 2011 9:51 AM PDT up reply 1 recs

by Randy Time on Sep 15, 2011 8:37 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yes, well I stubbed my toe the other day at work. We all have our hardships bud.

I kid. Glad you’re getting a chance to relax.

I need a drink, please.

by MalachiConstant on Sep 15, 2011 8:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

Wouldn’t you be better off with lower picks in a deep draft while keeping high picks in a thin draft?

I'll keep this brief.

by Dario on Sep 15, 2011 9:37 AM MDT up reply actions  

More or less depends on what everyone means when they say next year is a “deep” draft. Does it mean a pick in the top 20 will net you a more typical top 10 player? Or does it mean that drafting in the 3rd round can still net you a pick of 2nd round quality in a more typical draft?

I need a drink, please.

by MalachiConstant on Sep 15, 2011 9:42 AM MDT up reply actions  

I’m optimistic about these guys when they can play. But going off past injury results and Sacco’s need to run the hot hand into the ground, who is the 3rd goalie again?

Chip, I'm gonna come at you like a spider monkey!

by An Unmitigated Disaster on Sep 15, 2011 8:26 AM MDT reply actions  

Some stud named Cedrick that will carry the Monsters on his back.

I love it
2 Wing fans disagreeing about a potential deal for Shea Weber in the comments section of a post about the Avalanche.

Winging It In Motown
by Amerinadian on Sep 12, 2011 9:51 AM PDT up reply 1 recs

by Randy Time on Sep 15, 2011 8:28 AM MDT up reply actions  

According to Boulding, this Cedrick Desjardins kid.

I need a drink, please.

by MalachiConstant on Sep 15, 2011 8:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

Calvin Pickard. Erie will certainly miss him, though, when he’s called up.

And it has begun....

by Cheryl Bradley on Sep 15, 2011 8:33 AM MDT up reply actions  

nice

I am the most humble blogger of all time

by David Driscoll-Carignan on Sep 15, 2011 10:09 AM MDT up reply actions  

He says he’s healthier than he’s been in years after sports hernia surgery, so I think he’ll be good.

Unfortunately, because of Peter Forsberg, I’ll never believe this statement from anyone at any time. I cross my fingers that Jiggy isn’t just issuing PR statements.

4th biggest pessimist of MHH.
"There's always next season." -- Jimmy Howard on not winning the Calder Trophy.

by Dixomatic on Sep 15, 2011 8:29 AM MDT reply actions  

Yeah, I’m more in the “I’ll believe it when I see it” camp.

I love it
2 Wing fans disagreeing about a potential deal for Shea Weber in the comments section of a post about the Avalanche.

Winging It In Motown
by Amerinadian on Sep 12, 2011 9:51 AM PDT up reply 1 recs

by Randy Time on Sep 15, 2011 8:31 AM MDT up reply actions  

Worked for Selanne

I need a drink, please.

by MalachiConstant on Sep 15, 2011 8:31 AM MDT up reply actions  

I think the bionic knee surgery and an entire season off worked more than his PR statements, but I know what you’re trying to say.

If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!

by Mike @ MHH on Sep 15, 2011 10:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

Why is everyone so unsure about Giggy? It was known he wasn’t playing 100% for a couple seasons now.

Did any of you watch him win a Cup 4 years ago? He was absolutely disgusting.

My prediction: Varly is not the exception in Denver with the injury bug and he starts 40 games and Giggy 42 and if they make the playoffs, I feel it’ll be up for debate who starts.

I haven’t been this excited for a goaltending duo since Roy/Aebi, clearly not the same level of talent (still feel Aebischer would be a NHL starter/back up on a good team had he not been behind Roy) but I remember when Varly broke in, watching his highlight reel saves and telling friends to check out the ‘gnarly varly’ saves on NHL.com. It’s obvious he has a lot of talent and is more of a scrambler/battler in net versus being positionally sound and playing percentages, which I think we are going to see more up & coming goalies adapting to.

A goalie like Thomas is so effective because his flopper style and never say die will finds a way to stop sure fire goals against your best positional goalies and quickly frustrates shooters. Ask most who play competitive hockey, I know personally I would just keep at it and try hard anytime a sound goalie was stopping me – but whenever I ran across a flopper & battler, whenever he robbed me it frustrated the snot out of me and took me right out of the game. Varly has this same tenacity in his game. Giggy is positionally sound goalie who can scramble when he needs to.

But, 3 dead bodies stacked on top of each other in net would be reason for optimism compared to what we had to watch last year.

The Avs problems won’t be goaltending this season. It’ll likely be defense if Johnson doesn’t shine. They need a true #1 D-man, which there hasn’t been one since the 02.

IMO, there isn’t more pressure on any one single player than Johnson coming into this season in the west (okay, maybe Luongo). Will it be covered by the media much? Probably not but the Avs really rolled the dice on their 2-3 year future trading away CHRIS mother effing STEWART and Shatty for Johnson. (lets not even consider Jay Mc a part of the trade because he is worthless).

by JoeSacc0wn3d on Sep 15, 2011 8:36 AM MDT reply actions  

Did any of you watch him win a Cup 4 years ago? He was absolutely disgusting.

He really was. Reminds of a question though. Giggy’s cup run was the year before they passed new rules on pad size wasn’t it? I seem to recall Giggy with some gi-mother-f’ing-gantic pads. His fracking shins were like a massive wall, covering 3/4’s the net and instantly teleporting to whatever side the puck happened to be near. Has his play been affected by the new rules? I ask b/c I remember people specifically talking about how the new pad regs would affect Giggy, but never heard any conclusions after some play.

I need a drink, please.

by MalachiConstant on Sep 15, 2011 8:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

Because that was 4 years ago, and outside of his first few games in Toronto, Giguere has shown pretty much nothing since. Granted he has been injured, but to say he can achieve what he did 4 years ago is reaching a bit I’m afraid

Stabilize your rear deflectors, watch for enemy fighters.

by chiavsfan on Sep 15, 2011 9:36 AM MDT up reply actions  

Agree. Then again, nobody in Toronto has shown anything.

Obligatory SoS/Bozak joke goes here…

If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!

by Mike @ MHH on Sep 15, 2011 11:00 AM MDT up reply actions  

How about the obligatory John Michael Liles trade joke instead….oh wait

Our Johnson is bigger and better than LA's Johnson so suck it.

by cush52 on Sep 15, 2011 2:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

Why do you hate me?

And it has begun....

by Cheryl Bradley on Sep 15, 2011 2:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

I am just trying to help you in your mourning and recovery phases.

Our Johnson is bigger and better than LA's Johnson so suck it.

by cush52 on Sep 15, 2011 6:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

The equipment changes didn’t really do much in the leg pad area that would affect Giggy. The issues that MIGHT have affected him was the limits on the shoulder floaters and the knee protection. They severely ristricted both and as a result, goalies who wore chest protectors of the style that Giggy favored had a reduced profile in net. The league also reduced how thigh boards and knee protection could be used as “puck foils” to close the five hole. Giggy looked so massive in net for a number of reasons, but the equipment was a very minor one IMO. He had a very wide stance and played hunched over and presented an almost rectangular profile in net as a result. He also challenged (depth-wise) very well and looked even bigger from a puck’s eye view.

He has no catching glove though. It’s a second blocker. I think he tends to generate some questionable rebounds with his style of play and if the defense in front of him isn’t aware, it can cause issues. My one bit of heartburn on his signing is that his is REALLY different stylistically than Varly. That kind of swing start-to-start could be difficult for a young team to adjust to at first.

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by Mike @ MHH on Sep 15, 2011 10:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

Oh great, another goalie with poor rebound control.

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sticks when they've invented the lighter?

by TheRed on Sep 15, 2011 11:08 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Rebound control is hockey’s version of a run-heavy offense in the NFL: Almost mythical.

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by Mike @ MHH on Sep 15, 2011 12:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks much Mike. That was really informative.


My one bit of heartburn on his signing is that his is REALLY different stylistically than Varly. That kind of swing start-to-start could be difficult for a young team to adjust to at first.

That makes a ton of sense. The miscues between the D and Theo were completely blatant when he first came to the Avs, even to a laymen. Hopefully Sacco and company are up to the task. What was our goalie coach’s name again? One would think he’d be pretty pivotal in how the team handles this.

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by MalachiConstant on Sep 15, 2011 11:13 AM MDT up reply actions  

(lets not even consider Jay Mc a part of the trade because he is worthless)

He will be serving you some crow soon. How do you like it cooked?

And it has begun....

by Cheryl Bradley on Sep 15, 2011 9:02 AM MDT up reply actions  

Agreed 100%

oh, and Chris Stewart is incredibly overrated.

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by Muzia on Sep 15, 2011 9:07 AM MDT up reply actions  

And that Siemens kid they got with the first round pick is kinda decent, I heard.

And it has begun....

by Cheryl Bradley on Sep 15, 2011 9:24 AM MDT up reply actions  

Who needs Shat when you can have Siemen?

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by c6hor8 on Sep 15, 2011 9:29 AM MDT up reply actions  

Wow. Convincingly disturbing. Or is it disturbingly convincing?

I need a drink, please.

by MalachiConstant on Sep 15, 2011 9:36 AM MDT up reply actions  

Cheryl is on to something here. McClemment is almost too talented to play as a 4th line center which is where he will be. With Stastny, O’Reilly, McClement and Landeskog guys like Mueller, Duchene, Hejduk and Jones never have to even get a sniff of a PK. That’s a good thing.

I'll keep this brief.

by Dario on Sep 15, 2011 9:41 AM MDT up reply actions  

Agree. He played pretty bad when he came over, but Blues fans loved him, and think he should be a Selke candidate. I think he just had a bad 1/4 season in an Avs uniform (which makes him fit right in last season)

Maybe
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by Jibblescribbits on Sep 15, 2011 10:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

(lets not even consider Jay Mc a part of the trade because he is worthless)

I read this as sarcasm……. joking at off-season quotes like “hah the Aves (on purpose to show how little said person saying quote knows) traded a top five draft pick for a 3rd string goalie” or “traded the best most consistent power forward ever to grace the ice for a bust of a defenseman who obviously has no skill”…….otherwise I am utterly baffled

by chetmanley on Sep 15, 2011 9:53 AM MDT up reply actions  

My thoughts while reading this.
Why is everyone so unsure about Giggy? It was known he wasn’t playing 100% for a couple seasons now.

Did any of you watch him win a Cup 4 years ago? He was absolutely disgusting.

Credit building…..

I haven’t been this excited for a goaltending duo since Roy/Aebi

Building….

It’s obvious he has a lot of talent and is more of a scrambler/battler in net versus being positionally sound and playing percentages, which I think we are going to see more up & coming goalies adapting to.

Rising higher….

But, 3 dead bodies stacked on top of each other in net would be reason for optimism compared to what we had to watch last year.

Credit raised to incredibly high levels….


IMO, there isn’t more pressure on any one single player than Johnson coming into this season in the west (okay, maybe Luongo).

Wow, that’s a good point….

(lets not even consider Jay Mc a part of the trade because he is worthless).

Credit gone.

Nothing is beautiful and true.

by Paul X on Sep 15, 2011 9:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

You proclaim the cruel yet accurate truth.

A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.

by c6hor8 on Sep 15, 2011 10:01 AM MDT up reply actions  

Damn. I didn’t want to be cruel. I guess after re-reading it I could have gone a different way.

Sorry Saccowned!

Nothing is beautiful and true.

by Paul X on Sep 15, 2011 10:05 AM MDT up reply actions  

I was feeling pretty good until the last comment.

Seriously, I laughed pretty hard.

by JoeSacc0wn3d on Sep 15, 2011 10:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

It was just a jolt at the end, after so much solid information that I agreed with.

I need to frequently remind myself that just because I disagree with someone doesn’t mean I’m right. To them.

Nothing is beautiful and true.

by Paul X on Sep 15, 2011 10:24 AM MDT up reply actions  

What could possibly go wrong with picking up a retread from Toronto? That’s worked out so well for the avs before, remember that bong smoking goalie they got? How about that guy that fell down every single shift he was on the ice?

Chip, I'm gonna come at you like a spider monkey!

by An Unmitigated Disaster on Sep 15, 2011 10:20 AM MDT up reply actions  

Chip, I'm gonna come at you like a spider monkey!

by An Unmitigated Disaster on Sep 15, 2011 10:22 AM MDT up reply actions  

A lot of optimism here on the number of games played for Varly. I like it but I am not sure he will play 50 games. Last season he played 27 in the NHL and 3 in Hershey, and he could have played more if not sitting for Neuvy at times in the seemingly random goalie rotation that Boudreau used, where the criteria to pick a goalie for the next game changed daily. So I think he was capable of playing more games, but how many more, I don’t know. Sometime I meant to try to figure that out by looking at his injuries and times he just sat for Neuvy or Holtby to play. But hopefully Varly will have a fresh slate with his injuries in CO and the work he did in PA over the summer helps him out. Before last season he came August 1 to work with the Caps trainers and then was injured in the preseason and basically missed the first 6 weeks, so that was a bust. But he seems to have more confidence in his trainer in PA.

by vtcapsfan99 on Sep 15, 2011 8:44 AM MDT reply actions  

We need something to be optimistic about after the last few seasons of injuries.

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by Muzia on Sep 15, 2011 8:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

When Anderson came here, the knock was that he was unproven because he only played part time in previous years. Therefore, experience says Sacco will trot Varly out there 71 times if he is healthy.

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by Dixomatic on Sep 15, 2011 8:53 AM MDT up reply actions  

And also

We had no expectations, so we could trot him out. Besides, after Budaj’s soiling the bedsheets in the Season That Shall Not Be Spoken About #1, 71 times felt too few.

Andy was a great no-expectations goalie. So long as the Southern Ontario Hockey media doesn’t whip up a frenzy if the Sens go on a winstreak longer than 5 games-ish…. he’ll do great there

by Markopolo on Sep 15, 2011 9:01 AM MDT up reply actions  

When you were fed the garbage you were fed last year.....

Sewer rat would taste like Pumpkin pie.

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by Markopolo on Sep 15, 2011 8:59 AM MDT reply actions  

C’mon some of you really think Jay Mc is that good? I hope he makes me eat crow but I just don’t see it with him. Radar is far more effective IMO.

by JoeSacc0wn3d on Sep 15, 2011 9:54 AM MDT reply actions  

Just haven’t seen enough of him with the Avs. He was really solid in St Louis.

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by MalachiConstant on Sep 15, 2011 9:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

I suppose. We’ll see I guess.

by JoeSacc0wn3d on Sep 15, 2011 9:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

If you the Blues’ response, they were almost more upset about losing him than EJ.

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by c6hor8 on Sep 15, 2011 10:01 AM MDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t even say almost. All the comments I saw about “Silent Jay” were positive, that he would be missed, and that we were lucky to be getting him. EJ’s reviews were much more mixed.

And it has begun....

by Cheryl Bradley on Sep 15, 2011 10:04 AM MDT up reply actions  

To be fair, EJ is a definitive bust.

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by Muzia on Sep 15, 2011 10:06 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yuppers

I think he’s very solid.

It's all about the A-

by Sandie Gauthier on Sep 15, 2011 10:13 AM MDT up reply actions  

Just watched the video of of Stastny at camp

He has put on some muscle.

A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.

by c6hor8 on Sep 15, 2011 10:01 AM MDT reply actions  

And Yip apparently was hanging with Byfuglien all summer.

And it has begun....

by Cheryl Bradley on Sep 15, 2011 10:03 AM MDT up reply actions  

Jiggles*

It's all about the O'

by SteveHouse on Sep 15, 2011 11:17 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

I am in agreement with Ryan. Cedrick Desjardins is huge. If Varley doesnt pan out, then they still have a solid goalie in the future. Since Varley will work we have a guy who will come in an play for a few seasons and gain tremendous value, like a Crawford or a Bernier. Then Pickard will be there also. Great movement for the Avs on the Blue line and goalies!

by avalanchejef on Sep 15, 2011 1:02 PM MDT reply actions  

If Varly doesn’t pan out? Are we already play the negativity cards just in case?

A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.

by c6hor8 on Sep 15, 2011 1:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

I’d rather just not assume anything.

It's all about the O'

by SteveHouse on Sep 15, 2011 6:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

I’d feel a lot better if we had a full time goalie coach…

I love it
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by Amerinadian on Sep 12, 2011 9:51 AM PDT up reply 1 recs

by Randy Time on Sep 15, 2011 6:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

If Varly doesn’t pan out, we’ll first have to worry about finding a new GM and likely head coach before determining the future in net.

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by Dixomatic on Sep 15, 2011 4:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

This is very true.

Maybe
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by Jibblescribbits on Sep 15, 2011 4:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

My proposed replacements

GM: Sakic
Head Coach: Roy
Scouting: Pracey and Forsberg

Foote can just glare at the opponents bench armed with only the t-shirt launcher, except he uses pucks as ammo.

I love it
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Winging It In Motown
by Amerinadian on Sep 12, 2011 9:51 AM PDT up reply 1 recs

by Randy Time on Sep 15, 2011 5:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I could see Foote about 6 rows behind the opposing bench firing pucks at random moments. They’ll all be in therapy before the 3rd period.

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by Busted Twigg on Sep 15, 2011 5:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

I can’t explain why, but I have no desire to have Patrick Roy coach this team.

Nothing is beautiful and true.

by Paul X on Sep 15, 2011 5:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

He’s actually a pretty successful coach at the level he’s been doing it and he’s a great leader.

I love it
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Winging It In Motown
by Amerinadian on Sep 12, 2011 9:51 AM PDT up reply 1 recs

by Randy Time on Sep 15, 2011 5:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

To be honest (and maybe to blaspheme a bit) I feel like while he’s the greatest goalie of all time, a hockey god, an Avalanche Legend, and a beater of red wing goalie ass, I don’t know that he’s all that great of a human being.

Some of the things I’ve seen outside of hockey (I’ll be the first to admit it’s a very VERY small sample size, and therefor maybe not fair) make me feel like I don’t want him to lead what seems to be a team filled with character.

Nothing is beautiful and true.

by Paul X on Sep 15, 2011 11:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

this

LANDESKOG!!!!!
How Swede it is

by Cole D Hamilton on Sep 15, 2011 11:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

its why I’ll never utter Roy. In the same sentence as Forsberg Foote and Sakic

LANDESKOG!!!!!
How Swede it is

by Cole D Hamilton on Sep 15, 2011 11:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

I’m a little apprehensive too. Can’t pinpoint why.

And it has begun....

by Cheryl Bradley on Sep 15, 2011 5:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

Because he's been a coach for what, 4 years?

And it’s been in the juniors? I don’t care who he is, juniors to NHL is an enormous leap.

A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.

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by A.J. Haefele on Sep 15, 2011 5:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

Let’s not forget the leadership on Stanley Cup winning teams. It’s not like we’re talking about hiring on Yip to a coaching gig. Just saying that he’s got more than enough experience leading champions that it’s not too far fetched. I think he’s more than qualified to make the jump into a head coach gig. Not saying right away at the NHL level, but it wouldn’t surprise me.

I love it
2 Wing fans disagreeing about a potential deal for Shea Weber in the comments section of a post about the Avalanche.

Winging It In Motown
by Amerinadian on Sep 12, 2011 9:51 AM PDT up reply 1 recs

by Randy Time on Sep 15, 2011 6:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

Let’s not forget the leadership on Stanley Cup winning teams

Cuz that totally helped Gretzky. oh wait….

And it has begun....

by Cheryl Bradley on Sep 15, 2011 6:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think you’re all taking a comment made in jest way too far out of proportion. I’m of the mindset though that Roy is a better leader than Gretzky. Maybe I’m just a homer. Realistically if Roy is going to do any coaching with the Avs I want it to be as their goalie coach.

I love it
2 Wing fans disagreeing about a potential deal for Shea Weber in the comments section of a post about the Avalanche.

Winging It In Motown
by Amerinadian on Sep 12, 2011 9:51 AM PDT up reply 1 recs

by Randy Time on Sep 15, 2011 6:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

I wasn't replying to you in anyway, really.

Just to Paul. I’m really uncomfortable with the idea of Roy coaching the Avalanche. Really really. At least when Gretz tried his hand at coaching it was in Phoenix where he could do it in relative anonymity. Imagine if he had done it in Edmonton.

A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.

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by A.J. Haefele on Sep 15, 2011 7:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

Matt Duchene scoffs in your direction

Maybe
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by Jibblescribbits on Sep 15, 2011 7:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

So does O’Reilly. And probably Landy.

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by c6hor8 on Sep 16, 2011 6:43 AM MDT up reply actions  

I see Varly starting 40-45 games, Giggy 30-35 games and Desjardins about 5-10.

I can deal with that.

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by Hopfenkopf on Sep 15, 2011 10:41 PM MDT reply actions  

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