Making Playoffs in the West
All season, we've been concerned about our top players not putting up the points like they should. We predicted that Duchene should end up with around an 80 point season, and Hejduk and Stastny should end up somewhere in the high 60's - mid 70's range.
Right now, the Avs leading scorer is Ryan O'Reilly with a projected 59 points, 8 less than what Duchene posted last year.
Luckily, our depth players have been able to pick up the slack and the Avs are still in the hunt for a playoff spot. But it's well known that the pace picks up in the second half of the season. I'm worried about our Top 6 not putting up as many points as they need to, but I wasn't sure how worried to be. So I did a little research.
Turns out, we should be concerned. Very concerned.
I stared by looking at all the teams to make the playoffs in the Western Conference since the Lockout. Once I found their team Goals For and Goals Against totals, I researched their top 6 goal scorers. I then found the Total Goals Scored by the Top 6 of each team and the Total % of goals they were responsible for. I repeated that process with the Top 3. (If you're curious, the raw data including the top 6 scorers and the Team-by-Team breakdown from each year can be found here).
I then averaged my findings and came up with this data:
("Sum of 6" = sum of goals from top 6 goalscorers on the given team; "% of 6" percentage of team's total goals scored by the top 6 goalscorers; "Goal Diff." = goal differential, aka team goals for minus team goals against)
| '05-'06 | '06-'07 | '07-'08 | '08-'09 | '09-'10 | '10-'11 | Average | 8th Overall | |
| Sum of 6 | 157 | 149 | 137 | 153 | 139 | 143 | 146 | 145 |
| % from 6 | 59.7% | 60.0% | 59.4% | 60.6% | 56.3% | 59.0% | 59.2% | 58.1% |
| Sum of 3 | 97 | 90 | 87 | 93 | 82 | 86 | 89 | 89 |
| % from 3 | 36.8% | 36.2% | 37.7% | 36.8% | 33.3% | 35.3% | 36.0% | 35.7% |
| Goal Diff. | +34 | +43 | +21 | +23 | +29 | +27 | +30 | +14 |
So, basically, you need your Top 3 goalscorers to bring home about 35-40% of your overall goal total, and your Top 6 are responsible for around 60%. It also means that you need to score more goals than your opponents - only one team (CBJ in '09) had a negative goal differential at -4.
Now, how do the Avs Top 6 stack up?
Our top 6 scorers right now are O'Reilly, Stastny, Duchene, Hejduk, Landeskog, and Jones. Assuming they stay healthy the rest of the year or come back when they're projected to (Feb. 1 in Duchene's case), here's the pace they're on target for.
| Player | GP | G | GPG | Proj. GP | Proj. G |
| Stastny | 43 | 12 | 0.279 | 79 | 22 |
| O'Reilly | 46 | 12 | 0.261 | 82 | 21 |
| Duchene | 39 | 12 | 0.308 | 69 | 21 |
| Hejduk | 46 | 11 | 0.239 | 82 | 20 |
| Landeskog | 46 | 9 | 0.196 | 82 | 16 |
| Jones | 37 | 9 | 0.243 | 73 | 18 |
If those numbers seem low, it's because they are. In order to find out how far off they were, I had to project how the team would finish at the end of the year.
| GP | 46 |
| GF | 119 |
| GF/GP | 2.587 |
| GF Proj. | 212 |
| GA | 128 |
| GA/GP | 2.783 |
| GA Proj. | 228 |
| Points | 50 |
| Proj. Points | 89 |
Not only is the 89 points we're on pace for right now lower than the 97 that almost guarantees an entry into the playoffs, the individual pace for out Top 6 is WAY off the mark.
| '11-'12 COL | 8th Overall | Difference | |
| Sum of 6 | 118 | 145 | -27 |
| % of 6 | 55.7% | 58.1% | -2.4% |
| Sum of 3 | 65 | 89 | -24 |
| % of 3 | 30.7% | 35.7% | -5.1% |
| Goal Diff. | -16 | 14 | -30 |
Right now, our Top 6 players have 65 goals. Our Top 3 have 36. In order to reach the 35% mark, Stastny, Duchene, and O'Reilly would have to score 17 goals each in the remaining 36 games. If they can pull that off, Hejduk, Landeskog, and Jones still need to score another 10 each.
Now, that's not to say that making playoffs can't be done with players that score only around 20 goals per season. The defense and goaltending has something to say about it too. In fact, Nashville pulled it off last year.
| Season | Team | GF | GA | Pts | Player | Goals | ||
| '10-'11 | NSH | 219 | 194 | 99 | Kostitsyn | 23 | '10-'11 | NSH |
| '10-'11 | NSH | 219 | 194 | 99 | Hornqvist | 21 | Sum of 6 | 113 |
| '10-'11 | NSH | 219 | 194 | 99 | Fisher | 19 | % from 6 | 51.6% |
| '10-'11 | NSH | 219 | 194 | 99 | Erat | 17 | Sum of 3 | 63 |
| '10-'11 | NSH | 219 | 194 | 99 | Legwand | 17 | % from 3 | 28.8% |
| '10-'11 | NSH | 219 | 194 | 99 | Weber | 16 | Goal Diff. | 25 |
However, look at their GA total. They're below 200 goals allowed and 34 goals below what the Avs are projected to hit this year (228). If we wanted to achieve that, we'd have to shave almost a full GA/GP off our current rate. If Giggy, Varly, EJ and the rest of the blueline crew can get our GAA down to about 1.8 from here on out, we can achieve what Nashville did.
We'd also need our other scores to step up as well. The rest of our team has 47 goals right now, which is 42.0% of our total. In order to follow Nashville's example, they'd have to figure out a way to score 48.4% of our goals, or 106 goals of the 219 the Preds posted last year. If our Bottom 6 and blueliners can post 1.64 GPG and our Top 6 can find 1.33 GPG, we'll be able to make that split. Basically, if we score 3 goals every game from here on out, we should be fine.
So, to summarize:
- We need to find a way to gain 8 more points that we're supposed to to hit the magic 97.
- In order to reach the average stats from the Western Conference 8th seed team, our Top 3 forwards (O'Reilly, Stastny, and Duchene) need to score 17 goals each in 36 games.
- Even if our Top 3 players reach that mark, we'd still need our next 3 players (Hejduk, Landeskog, and Jones) to score another 10 each and our bottom 6 and defensemen staying near their current rate.
- If we were to follow Nashville's model of getting into the playoffs, we would have to allow 1.8 goals per game while scoring close to 3 to reach their totals.
- We're also not the only ones who REALLY want these points. Our competition will be playing harder as well.
The Avs currently lead the league in One-Goal-Game wins, but they'll either need to start scoring more or defending more in order to keep the streak alive. Luckily, they've been playing better hockey of late and may still stand a chance of making playoffs. But it's not going to be an easy ride, and our top 6 NEED to kick it into gear if we're even going to stand a chance.
Out West, a single point could mean the difference between post-season and golf season. I just hope the Avs can find a way to bring home enough wins by the middle of April to be on the hockey side of the equation.
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short version: we’re fucked
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jan 16, 2012 7:48 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
This doesn’t surprise me at all. When the season started, I figured the Avs would end-up between 10th & 12th place.
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Exactly
The Avs are not yet a playoff team. There are still a couple of pieces missing on the wings. I had them pegged for a bubble team and just missing out on the post-season.
Ending up around 10th in the West should be considered a successful season at this point in the rebuild. Any playoff action these guys see will be icing on the cake.
Goalie Coach? Goalie Coach!?! We don't need no stinkin' Goalie Coach!
by AceODale on Jan 16, 2012 12:01 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Doable.
Except I’d imagine that someone (like Mueller) will need to pick up the slack.
As I find it hard to believe that Duchene’s going to score 16 goals in 30 games after coming off an injury.
Go Avs!
I am boobs.
by Thor the Clunge Destroyer on Jan 16, 2012 8:22 AM MST reply actions
Our goaltending/defense has to be really good because if those guys continue to project to about 20 goals… then we’re fucked.
Paul Stastny did, what Paul Stastny does. Score big goals.
Someone light the BurgundyRainbow beacon. We need hope. We need sunshine. We need whatever he’s on.
OK Shermie, time to be the shepherd
by Busted Twigg on Jan 16, 2012 9:01 AM MST up reply actions
oh ye of little faith—remember that the game is played on the ice not on “paper”, but we sure could be 10th to 12th. Yuck
We could definitely still make it in, especially because we like more 1pt games than most teams do. All I’m saying is that if we do, we’ll be a statistical anomaly unless we really pick up the pace.
Just a Colorado girl in Montana who ♥s the Avs and writes for Mile High Hockey.
Since the avs will only lose about 5 games the rest of the year, I’m not all that worried.
Peter McNabb thinks I'm outstanding.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jan 16, 2012 9:59 AM MST reply actions
The Avs have to beat out Minnesota, Dallas, Phoenix, and Calgary for the last playoff spot. I think they can do it, with the most serious threat being Phoenix. Gotta get and stay healthy though.
by Do Not Feed the Octopus on Jan 16, 2012 10:19 AM MST reply actions
These stats are real interesting
but if you put these stats in paper, and showed someone, and then told them this team is still right in the middle of the playoff hunt for 8th place, they wouldn’t believe you. I think our forwards need to get a little better, but not better in the ways of how extreme you have projected they should be to meet the average.
I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is.
I think there’s truth in that, especially because the Avs like to win one goal games. But the competition will be picking up from here on out – we still need more from our Top 6.
Just a Colorado girl in Montana who ♥s the Avs and writes for Mile High Hockey.
we definitely do, but being able to win one goal games is something that can come in handy come playoffs. I wonder how many of those one goal games were come backs in the third, or tied in the third and how many were 2 goal leads that slipped to 1 and the Avs held on for dear life.
I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is.
by ProfessorOak on Jan 16, 2012 12:13 PM MST up reply actions
Very nice job, Andi!
Really nice job on the analysis, thanks so much for taking the time to do this and add more value to this site.
In order to reach the average stats from the Western Conference 8th seed team, our Top 3 forwards (O’Reilly, Stastny, and Duchene) need to score 17 goals each in 36 games.
Even if our Top 3 players reach that mark, we’d still need our next 3 players (Hejduk, Landeskog, and Jones) to score another 10 each and our bottom 6 and defensemen staying near their current rate.
I doubt there is a need to meet the ‘average percentages’ for playoff teams as far as top-3 and top-6 scoring goes. I would instead suggest that the Avs ‘balanced’ scoring is an outlier in terms of both playoff and non-playoff teams.
I would secondly suggest that there is no significant difference between the percentage of total offence for top-3 and top-6 players for playoff and non-playoff teams. If this is the case, I would be doubtful that this is a good indicator of whether a team makes the playoffs or not.
Percentage total, perhaps not. But we’ve been saying we need more from our top players all year. The percentage was just to establish a baseline of what a “normal” playoff team’s top 6 contribute. I would agree with you that chances are good that non-playoff teams probably have about the same percentage contribution as playoff teams do. However, it’s the straight up goal totals that worry me. I used the 17 and 10 goal totals to illustrate just how few goals our Top 6 have been scoring in comparison to other good teams top lines.
However, I too prefer the balanced depth-scoring approach, which is why I brought up Nashville. You don’t get much more balanced than that. However, if your Top 6 aren’t putting up the goals, your defense/goalies need to take up the slack. Our goal differential is ugly right now, and as teams start making bigger pushes to the playoffs, unless we pick up our play, it’s going to get much worse. If our forwards don’t start scoring more, our defense needs to be MUCH better.
This wasn’t meant to be a “you score this many goals and you’re in!” post, it was simply meant to illustrate that our statements about needing more production from our Top 6 in order to stay competitive is true.
Just a Colorado girl in Montana who ♥s the Avs and writes for Mile High Hockey.
The percentage was just to establish a baseline of what a "normal" playoff team’s top 6 contribute. I would agree with you that chances are good that non-playoff teams probably have about the same percentage contribution as playoff teams do. However, it’s the straight up goal totals that worry me.
I can tell you right now – looking through the stats this season as they are currently, it is actually non-playoff teams that have the least balanced offences – “playoff” teams currently have top-3/top-6 goal scoring percentages of 35.7% and 58.5% (you’ll notice this is exactly in line with your averages), whereas non-playoff teams (excluding the Avs) have percentages of 37.7% and 62.9%.
Likewise if you look at the raw totals for goals scored by the top-line of teams the teams in the playoff and their order would be as follows (with predicted goal totals in parentheses):
1. Chicago (111)
2. San Jose (102)
3. Edmonton (!) (90)
4. Vancouver (88)
5. Dallas (88)
6. Anaheim (!) (82)
7. Detroit (81)
8. Phoenix (78)
The only reason I point this out, is that your baseline of what a ‘normal’ playoff team’s top-6 contributes fails to account for the performance of non-playoff teams – either in raw goal totals or percentage contributions.
This wasn’t meant to be a "you score this many goals and you’re in!" post, it was simply meant to illustrate that our statements about needing more production from our Top 6 in order to stay competitive is true.
Like you’ve pointed out previously, what we need are more wins – this requires better production or better defence/goal-tending than we’ve had to this point. However, whilst we may expect that it will be the top-6 that carry the Avs to the playoffs through their increased production, history suggests that production is production no matter where it comes from.
Avs and the playoffs
Are problem is goaltending and are #1 goaltender is sitting on the bench. Varlomov is not ready to be a #1 lets admit it and make JS #1 and we will make the playoffs.
Hello all
Happy new year everybody. Been gone for a bit (probably much to many people’s delight!) but thought I would check in. Hope everybody having a good 2012 so far.
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