Game 47 Recap: Coyotes make road kill of the Avalanche, 6-1
by Cheryl Bradley on Jan 16, 2012 4:53 PM MST
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PrintYuck. If you want an actual recap, go here to read the Denver Posts' comments or see NHL recap via link below. You can also check out the running dialogue on the MHH Twitter account. I can't stomach reliving that mess.
- 1 Peter Mueller - 4 shots, 4 hits
- 2 Kobasew - scored only goal by Avs
- 3 Johnson, McClement - assisted on only goal by Avs
- Landeskog, O'Reilly, Hejduk
- Porter, Stastny, Jones
- Mueller, Galiardi, Winnik
- Kobasew, McClement, McLeod
- Johnson, Wilson
- Quincey, Elliott
- Hejda, O'Byrne
- 1 Avs are now 1-2 against Phoenix
- 2 First Avs loss on MLK day since coming to Denver
- 3 The Avs left the ice at the 10:00 mark of the first period and did not return
The boys come back home for one game, facing off against Florida on Wednesday.
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lets see…game 47…Avs lose 6-1…it seems like I saw something really similar to that lately. Hmm, was it a septic tank manual perhaps?
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jan 16, 2012 4:55 PM MST reply actions
shush you
it’s not a trend. it’s not the start of Armageddon #2.
WHY DO YOU HATE THE AVALANCHE???
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by Cheryl Bradley on Jan 16, 2012 5:07 PM MST up reply actions
Maybe if we talk about it; we’ll jinx it.
I bet Caps fans are just creaming in their jeans thinking about it anyways.
I am boobs.
by Thor the Clunge Destroyer on Jan 16, 2012 5:08 PM MST up reply actions
OMG I HAVE BEEN SHUSHED
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jan 16, 2012 5:12 PM MST up reply actions
LALALALALA CAN'T HEAR YOU LALALALA!
However, I think we’re a stronger, more complete team than we were last year. Our offense has been missing a bit more than I expected, but our defensive and goalie play has been much stronger overall (today excluded).
Do I think we’ll regress a bit after that super hot December? Yes. And I think that’s what’s going on right now.
But if we get Dutchy back and our top 6… 9… whatever… can remember how to score, we’ll be fine. Maybe not playoff fine, but at least bubble and not #FAILFORNAILFORWASHINGTON (as @NHLTROLL seems to think we should do – funny account BTW) territory.
And if we can add some scoring wingers at the deadline, that might change as well. If we can fix our scoring, I think our defense and goalies (meaning right now mostly Giggy) can get us the rest of the way.
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boooooooooooooooo
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by tbonius monk on Jan 16, 2012 5:26 PM MST via Android app reply actions
Craptacular
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I stopped listening after the 2nd period, and I wished I stuck to listening to various podcasts instead. Not sure where to place the blame, but I have my own floor hockey game in a few hours and not even gonna bother pointing the finger. Hopefully my team doesn’t get boat-raced like the Avs did. (Knocks on wood)
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by StoneCutter013 on Jan 16, 2012 5:35 PM MST via mobile reply actions
Varly needs to be better… he didn’t lose us the game… but he sure as hell give us a chance to win.
You can’t let in 6 goals when the guy at the other end is channeling his inner Patrick Roy.
Paul Stastny did, what Paul Stastny does. Score big goals.
Few thoughts
Is it just me, or does it look like EJ is quietly becoming the defenseman we need him to be? He’s solid in his end and starting to be an offensive catalyst. I’d say if anyone had a good decent game, it was him. And he seems to be very important to the blueline – they were absolutely horrible in the games he missed. I wonder if all the captain talk at the beginning of the year got to him and messed with his game. He’s still not a franchise defenseman and he still makes mistakes, but I’m seeing progress. Lots of progress. He’s playing very well for a 23-year-old bust.
However, where is Hejduk? I’ve not really seen him all year. I know he’s busy teaching all the pups in the locker room, but we need him on the ice too. I’m really beginning to wonder if this is the last year we’ll see 23 on the ice.
I’m happy Mules is back. He looks GOOD. I can’t wait to see him and Dutchy reunited. I just wish Stastny could return to form consistently. A Dutch – Stazz – Mules line could be fun to watch if he does.
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the scary thing is that Hejduk is 2nd on the team in scoring. He HAS been very quiet lately, but he’s not far off his usual 50-point pace. If he was doing that and was 4th or 5th on the team in scoring, all would be fine. Stastny and Duchene, that’s aimed at you
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jan 16, 2012 6:01 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah, the two of them need to get it together. Especially Stastny.
I love Stazz, but I’m starting to wonder if he needs a kick in the butt too. Perhaps a healthy scratch? Probably won’t happen until Dutchy gets back though.
And where the frak is Jones? Is he only able to score when the Avs are in the basement? I know he got one last game, but other than that, where the heck has he been? We need more from him too. If he finds a way to start scoring a bit (or even just getting good chances), Sacco will play him.
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I don’t think we’re watching the same Stastny… he’s always getting chances, he got flat out robbed today on both of his chances. He’s always getting chances, he’s just not burying the goals.
The assists, I’m not too sure about… not having a finisher on his line hurts… but he’s a lot better than his numbers indicate.
Paul Stastny did, what Paul Stastny does. Score big goals.
Downer Debbie.
The team’s just setting everyone up for an EPIC COMEBACK!!!
Yes, I have had wine. What’s it to ya??
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by Cheryl Bradley on Jan 16, 2012 6:31 PM MST up reply actions
Yes, I have had a lot of wine. What’s it to ya??
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by Americanario on Jan 16, 2012 7:04 PM MST up reply actions
At the time I wrote that, no I had not. Now? WHAT’S IT TO YA??? teehee
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by Cheryl Bradley on Jan 16, 2012 8:02 PM MST up reply actions
I an glad I did not know the score to the game while driving through the cascade mountains a couple of hours ago. It was dumping snow and I might have just ended up driving off a clif and into an Avalanche out of spite.. Disgustingly disgusted..
Yeah that whole who is third fan post puts it in perspective.. We have a lot of 2nd, 3rd and 4th players but no one or two that are even close to a point per game. Not one player even on pace for 70 this year? Disgustingly disgusted…
Q – vomit now..
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by Pinchy The Lobster on Jan 16, 2012 6:13 PM MST reply actions
I feel the same way except for next game at the Panthers.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Jan 16, 2012 6:33 PM MST up reply actions
Seriously. My friends will wreak havoc on my FB page and text history. That is absolutely a #mustwin.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Jan 16, 2012 6:33 PM MST up reply actions
Best choice of a game ever to sleep through, I guess.
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Perfect set up game for the rest of the season. The rope a dope strategy is in full effect. I’m sure the Avs made sure that the videos of today’s game will be well circulated. Now our full throttle turnaround will commence! 35 games left. Going 32-2-1 will be epic! Stastny for the Hart. Kobasew continues to explode and ends up with the Richard.
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by burgundyRainbow on Jan 16, 2012 6:31 PM MST reply actions
The Canucks?
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by Americanario on Jan 16, 2012 7:05 PM MST up reply actions
Ugh. I made some delicioso pasta…and then ate too much of it. Too much of a good thing.
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this sucked. we better beat shitty florida on wednesday
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by Cole D Hamilton on Jan 16, 2012 6:52 PM MST reply actions
Or will the Ex-Avs curse strike again?
Datsyuk may have done it first, but he learned it from Peter Forsberg.
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by Americanario on Jan 16, 2012 7:06 PM MST up reply actions
Nah.
Flash with the shutout.
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Well
I accidentally came across the MHH facebook post of this while watching the game (it’s 1-1 right now)
Glad I did, time to change it up. And I’m likely going to miss my hockey lesson tonight. Shitty
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by Jibblescribbits on Jan 16, 2012 7:36 PM MST reply actions
Sorry, dude. I’m on the Social Network biz now and since I’m unemployed, it will be hoppin!
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by Cheryl Bradley on Jan 16, 2012 8:03 PM MST up reply actions
Don’t be sorry, this is time I am able to catch up on Hell on Wheels. (Wish I could have made hockey lessons instead, but the wife got stuck at the aiport and the baby can’t watch himself)
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by Jibblescribbits on Jan 16, 2012 8:29 PM MST up reply actions
and the baby can’t watch himself
I bet that you didn’t even give the little bugger the opportunity, did you?
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Kid can’t even sit 10 minutes without putting something in his mouth.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jan 16, 2012 9:40 PM MST up reply actions
Yours make it ten minutes? I take one thing out of my kids mouth and the other hand is already putting something else in.
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Thanks for everything Foppa!
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by Americanario on Jan 17, 2012 7:56 AM MST up reply actions
Ouch.
Chambers calling Varly out after Varly declined an interview after the loss.
Just a Colorado girl in Montana who ♥s the Avs and writes for Mile High Hockey.
Wow.
On one hand, I hate how skewed sports reporters coverage of a player can be when they aren’t sunshine and rainbows with the reporter.
Then again, it’s in Varlamov’s job description, and Chambers seems like an amiable fella who probably didn’t deserve to be treated rudely.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jan 16, 2012 8:13 PM MST up reply actions
I understand why Varly didn’t want to talk, but I think I have to side with Chambers here. If you’re a professional athlete, the only way you can get out of doing interviews are if A) the coach/organization doesn’t approve it (like what happened with Bryz after the “lost in the woods” interview), or B) you’re crazy and superstitious and so good that people let you get away with it (Roy’s thing about speaking with reporters on game day – although I’m pretty sure he did post-game stuff).
Varly’s still learning, and Giggy stepped up to give comments instead. I think there will probably be words between the mentor and the student at some point about it though.
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Roy’s thing about speaking with reporters on game day
Few goaltenders do. It’s not unique to Roy.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Jan 16, 2012 8:26 PM MST up reply actions
I get Chambers’ point of view. I really do. But the team totally screwed Varly in that game and what is Varly going to say? The truth? That he could’ve played better but the rest of the team needs to as well? It would be a reasonable response…from a guy with more experience and more confidence in his language abilities. I’d give him a break. I have very little doubt that it was less NBA and more lack of confidence. Yeah, he needs to figure out how to deal with losses and still talk to the media, but that’s the thing. With more experience, he’ll get there.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Jan 16, 2012 8:25 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
He seemed rather defeated by the end of the game. I’m sure he was extremely upset about it and that’s why he wouldn’t talk to Chambers, not that he was being rude and thinking he was too good for it. Another thing to keep in mind is that Varly never spoke to the press in DC in English. He spoke only through an interpreter and usually only after a big game, he was rarely expected to speak to them. They didn’t press him to speak after bad games, so he probably doesn’t have much experience doing it, and none at all in English.
My thoughts exactly. We’ve been spoiled with our goalies here in Denver. Have got to be patient with him, IMO.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Jan 16, 2012 8:50 PM MST up reply actions
I have very little doubt that it was less NBA and more lack of confidence.
Very much agree here.
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by MalachiConstant on Jan 17, 2012 8:10 AM MST up reply actions
I’m surprised Chambers reacted like that. I can understand Varly not wanting to talk after that game, whether he was mad at the team for leaving him hanging, or mad at himself for a few of those goals. Seems like Varly’s been trying to communicate since he’s been here. He’s a young goalie, I say give him a break.
by DiD on Jan 16, 2012 10:11 PM MST up reply actions 4 recs
Well put. Probably much better than I did.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Jan 16, 2012 10:13 PM MST up reply actions
I really thought I was.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jan 16, 2012 10:16 PM MST up reply actions
I wasn’t directing my comment at you.
I guess the only thing I really disagree with you about is if it’s in Varly’s job description or not. Personally, if I’m Sacco or Sherman or Lacroix the Elder or Sakic or Billington or Lacroix the Younger or did I miss and exec but the point is I don’t really want Varly talking a lot to the media. He should have done like Alexi Gusarov did and plead the language barrier, but it’s too late for that.
Seems like the media is pretty compliant with what the Avs want. If I’m management, I send out the word that Varly’s off limits game days, before and after.
I thought he went overboard in being critical. I doubt Varly would have said anything very interesting anyway (“I sucked”) so it’s not like he prevented Chambers from writing an article. I honestly thought I was reading a Dater piece instead of a Chambers piece. I don’t think a small quote by Varly really makes that much difference in the article for him to trash Varly like that.
I don’t like how reporters freak out because an athlete won’t talk to them, they don’t allow for the athlete to be upset or gather their thoughts. Mike Green was so distraught after the Caps lost to the Habs in the first round in 2010 that he didn’t talk to reporters on exit day. They absolutely trashed him for it all over the place. He apparently was very upset and waited a few days until he calmed down then he had a press conference with all the reporters and let them ask whatever they wanted and answered all their questions. I don’t think one of them wrote anything saying my bad, maybe he’s not a spoiled jerk athlete after all. Honestly, enough other players talk to them that Mike Green not talking for a few days wasn’t a big deal in my opinion. Green is a headcase though and actually saw a sports psychologist that summer. Goalies are weird creature. I imagine Varly will speak to Chambers tomorrow or the next time he sees him.
If he apologizes to Chambers, I think it’s fine. I understand frustration, but again there’s also no need for incivility too.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jan 16, 2012 8:32 PM MST up reply actions
I think that’s where Giggy will come into play. My bet is that he’s already suggested that same thing to Varly.
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Or maybe he said, “Don’t even fucking worry about reporters. Let’s talk about your game.”
I tend to think Jiggy was more concerned about helping Varly’s performance as a goalie than his interaction with the press.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Jan 16, 2012 8:56 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Of course. But good press relations are part of the whole deal. I don’t think it will be more than a passing comment, but I bet that will get mentioned especially because it was Giggy who commented for him instead.
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But the press also has to realize who they are dealing with. Passing comment or no, it’s not going to be the priority. Jiggy’s willingness to speak for him goes to show even more that he doesn’t feel the press is as important as the game.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Jan 16, 2012 9:09 PM MST up reply actions
Regardless of past history, I think Chambers was WAY out of line.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Jan 16, 2012 9:11 PM MST up reply actions
Me too.
In my opinion ranting about it online is not professional. Sure, make a comment that “Varly didn’t want to answer questions” if you feel you must. But going on about it? When it was the first time he’s done this and when he’s leaps and bounds better than he has been in the past? Out of line in my book. And honestly, if I’m Varly and I see that…..
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by Sandie Gauthier on Jan 17, 2012 7:48 AM MST up reply actions
I think Chambers was over the line, but I also wish more athletes would be honest to the public. I understand you don’t want to throw teammates under the bus.
However I wouldn’t have a problem if a leader on the team came out said somthing like yep we lost 6 to 1. I played like shit and the whole team played like shit except for rmaybe 2 guys. Every person on this team including coaches and front office need to take a long look in the mirror and decide if they want to be a playoff team or a basement team.
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Sure, but I don't think it's reasonable to expect a 23 year old goalie, who is clearly uncomfortable speaking English to start with, to be the one to do that.
If Jiggy does it, I’m not surprised. He has the wisdom, the age, and the comfort with both his position and English. Varly isn’t there yet.
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by Sandie Gauthier on Jan 17, 2012 4:29 PM MST up reply actions
Like it or not
That’s part of the job description for Him
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by Jibblescribbits on Jan 16, 2012 9:41 PM MST up reply actions
Was his name on the board? Did the Avalanche organization say reporters could talk to him? If not, Varly has the right to refuse interviews. These are people, not puppets. Their contracts say they have to talk to the press. I suspect they don’t say they have to talk to them whenever the reporters want to talk to them but instead when the organization says they need to talk with them.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Jan 16, 2012 9:48 PM MST up reply actions
Was his name on the board? Did the Avalanche organization say reporters could talk to him?
I suspect neither of us know the answer to that. And again, frustration and the right to refuse doesn’t mean he has to be a jerk about it, as Chambers obviously feels he was.
Again, Chambers has been nothing short or professional since he’s covered the Avs. Not sure why his complaint is being completely dismissed as unprofessional.
Then again, I see Varly’s side too. Sometimes players don’t want to talk after games. Get that too. There’s 2 sides here.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jan 16, 2012 9:56 PM MST up reply actions
the right to refuse doesn’t mean he has to be a jerk about it, as Chambers obviously feels he was.
There’s 2 sides here.
Exactly. I have not seen/read anywhere anyone else saying it was rude. I think it’s an issue of Chambers not being used to Varly and took it as a personal slight.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Jan 16, 2012 10:05 PM MST up reply actions
I think it’s an issue of Chambers not being used to Varly and took it as a personal slight.
Again, we weren’t there, so we don’t know.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jan 16, 2012 10:09 PM MST up reply actions
Hence the whole “I think” part.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Jan 16, 2012 10:14 PM MST up reply actions
Even if Varly was rude, I don’t think it was very professional to write a blog like that. He didn’t say anything to Chambers so it’s limited on how rude he could be non-verbally since he apparently waved and didn’t flip him the bird on his way out. Athletes act like jackasses all the time (not an excuse) but do you see sportswriters all over America writing about how they were so jerky to them? I feel like it’s making the reporter part of the story, and they aren’t the focus. It just comes across as whiny to me when I have seen those complaints in the past. I know they have a job to do, but to me the fact Varly wouldn’t talk to him wasn’t news. Also, writing something like that isn’t exactly going to encourage Varly to talk to him in the future. In my opinion, he should have handled it with the team PR guys and Varly instead of making it into a news story.
I just checked Japers which was a mistake, they are loving that blog post of course most of them hate Varly.
by vtcapsfan99 on Jan 16, 2012 10:06 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Athletes act like jackasses all the time (not an excuse) but do you see sportswriters all over America writing about how they were so jerky to them
No, they just hold secret grudges and let it skew their coverage for the rest of the athlete’s career. I’d much rather have a reporter be up front and say “I was personally offended by this” than the passive aggressiveness that usually happens (like it seems like happened in Washington). Personally I’d talk to Varly in private if it was me, but it isn’t.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jan 16, 2012 10:15 PM MST up reply actions
Except that’s not what Chambers did.
Part of why I love covering hockey full-time is because I don’t have to put up with the NFL and NBA locker-room crud, the huge egos and "I’m holier than thou" attitudes. Avs goalie Semyon Varlamov reminded me of that today, when he walked away and waved me off after I asked him for a quick interview.
This isn’t pro football or basketball, Varly…
Nah, he needs to be better
Chambers was a dick about it, IMO. Normally I really really like him. But he was way out of line on this one IMO.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Jan 16, 2012 10:22 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Shit, he’s got a long way to go before he even begins to catch up with all of Dater’s assorted dickishness over the years. He broke his dick cherry tonight.
by DiD on Jan 16, 2012 10:24 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
lol.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Jan 16, 2012 10:25 PM MST up reply actions
Totally agree. It’s the beat writer equivalent of responding to someone who cut you off in traffic by speeding by them and slamming on your brakes.
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by MalachiConstant on Jan 17, 2012 9:00 AM MST up reply actions
I understand your point, but it seems like it’s more about the reporter’s ego and the reporter needs to get over it in my opinion. Obviously they don’t have to enjoy being treated poorly, but it’s their job to provide unbiased coverage. They don’t have to write nice fluff pieces about athletes that are arrogant jerks, but I think it’s wrong when they let their opinion of the athlete skew their coverage forever. This is something that has frustrated me for a long time.
When Sean Taylor was shot, a bunch of idiot sports reporters/columnists were all over it and said it had to do with his lifestyle and his history of incidents, including Wilbon and Kornheiser. Then it turned out the guy was innocently in his own home trying to protect his girlfriend and child when he was shot. Not many of those idiots bothered to apologize for using his death as an opportunity to write more bad crap about him before they even knew the truth.
by vtcapsfan99 on Jan 16, 2012 10:26 PM MST up reply actions
Do Chambers & Dater get to speak to everyone that they want to after games? I thought that the teams only select a few players to talk to the press and the ones that don’t want to speak leave the room. Does Chambers always get pissed if one of the players he want to speak to is off-limits?
First I’ve ever heard Chambers complain about anyone, honestly. He’s usually a pretty laid back fellow, IMO.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jan 16, 2012 8:40 PM MST up reply actions
She’s right, though. The team selects the players who the reporters get to talk to. I learned that when applying for a job with the Mammoth. It’s totally set up by someone. Sure, reporters can ask for someone to interview, but to get all disgruntled when one wouldn’t? Bad on Chambers’ part IMO. This is probably the first time Chambers has ever experienced it because Avs players have always been so open to that part of the job. It sucks he’s taking it so personally and ripping Varly for it.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Jan 16, 2012 8:58 PM MST up reply actions
Yes, I gleaned this from the Caps, who are much more media friendly and have a lot of post game videos of media scrums and also from 24/7. They write the players numbers up on the board that have to talk to the press and let the others go (it was 5 guys or less usually I think). I guess some of the other players stick around and talk if they feel like it, because after some Caps games I have seen many players interviewed on videos, radio and in newspaper articles. Some players are always expected to speak, like Ovi as captain.
Chambers seemed like he was channeling his inner Dater there. I think Chambers has done an excellent job this season. I think he was wrong to call Varly out like that. It’s a long season, everyone makes mistakes, including the beat writers.
by DiD on Jan 16, 2012 10:14 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Ok, hold on there. All you have is Chambers’ impersonation of what happened. He took it as a slight. Perhaps it wasn’t the way Chambers interpreted it. Perhaps Varly waved him off in an “I’m upset, I can’t talk now” kind of way, not a “go to hell” kind of way. There’s no proof it was uncivil, only Chambers’ opinion of the interaction.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Jan 16, 2012 8:55 PM MST up reply actions
I agree with you, there didn’t seem to be enough evidence presented by Chambers to conclude Varly was being arrogant and dismissive versus too upset to talk in English after a bad performance. Honestly I would be more concerned about him getting his mental state right so he can play well than making nice with the press. He shouldn’t be rude to them but it’s a lower priority to me.
Totally agree.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Jan 16, 2012 9:14 PM MST up reply actions
Now if it was Stastny or another native English speaker who is in a high profile position, I’d feel differently. But you have to take into consideration Varly’s past and language level.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Jan 16, 2012 9:17 PM MST up reply actions
Those guys have been speaking to the press for years, they are trained in hockey player speak to reveal nothing of importance. Varly wasn’t trained that way, he needs time to learn it. I read a google translate of a Russian interview he did early in the season (I posted it here) after a bad loss against the Stars, and he was pretty harsh on himself. I am sure he probably knows better than to reveal so much to the press here. I’ve noticed that other Russians tend to be much more forthcoming in Russian interviews versus in English.
I’m not sure sure why I’m being anti-Varly here, all I said is that it’s uncalled for for Varly to be rude. I see both sides of this issue
And we frankly have no idea what the Avs policy is, or common, practice for making players available. It seems as if Chambers thought he was following normal protocol, and it’s not like Chambers has a history of antagonism with athletes.
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Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Jan 16, 2012 9:44 PM MST up reply actions
Never said you were anti-Varly. Said you don’t know how the interaction actually went down. You just know Chambers’ interpretation of it. He may not have a history of antagonism but he also may not have a history of working with young goaltenders who are lacking confidence and are not comfortable with English.
Let’s be honest here. If Roy told Chambers to fuck off, it would be written off as “That’s Patrick.” Of course Roy was more accomplished than Varly but the principle is the same.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Jan 16, 2012 9:53 PM MST up reply actions
No I don’t, but Chambers doesn’t have a history of this, at any level. So I think he should be taken seriously.
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Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Jan 16, 2012 9:56 PM MST up reply actions
Chambers also hasn’t had a lot of experience with Varly.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Jan 16, 2012 10:06 PM MST up reply actions
Here is my take
After a bad test, I hate talking to anyone and if I do I am really short and direct which offends people. Varley was hung out to dry on the first two goals. Bad turnover by Hejda at blue lines is constant and is costing games. Then when the 3rd goal that got deflected by him and then beaten by another uncovered guy. That wrap around goal was a goal given by a guy that didn’t care anymore. He was probably disappointed in himself and with his team. Respect the player, if it would have been Roy it would have been a VCR thrown at him. Still, Varley, once calm should go talk to Chambers and let him know it was not personal.
Chambers I think was more offensive. There was no need to roast a guy because he had a bad outing. It is not like Varley told him to go fuck himself or anything. Just gave a nod and left. The guy got torched by 6 goals. 10 goals in the last 2 games. Personally, I am glad he is pissed. He needs to be pissed. He needs to be better. I hope he listens to Jiggy. What I fear is that Varley will start pulling this action he did in Washington, the “I am number 1 and if I am not then I am gone”.
by avalanchejef on Jan 16, 2012 9:15 PM MST up reply actions
if it would have been Roy it would have been a VCR thrown at him
lol
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by Cheryl Bradley on Jan 16, 2012 9:18 PM MST up reply actions
I wouldn’t worry about Varly pulling that. The only evidence he pulled that was McPhee and Leonsis, who have an agenda to make the Caps look good. Slava Malamud said Varly never insisted on being named #1 to stay or demanded a huge sum of money. Varly wouldn’t talk about it but my personal opinion is that it was related to Boudreau’s mishandling of goalies, something with the medical staff, and probably somewhat the existence of Neuvy and Holtby. He really thought after the 2011 playoffs when he didn’t get to play at all despite Neuvy sucking it up against Tampa that the team had lost confidence in him and moved on. That might not have been accurate but it he felt that way from an interview given to Slava Malamud on exit day.
Varly has consistently said only good things Caps the Caps organization, even after McPhee trashed him and Leonsis trashed him on his blog and would only refer to him as “the player” just like Bill Parcells with T.O. No way Varly comes close to being a T.O.
I also think his agent screwed Varly on all that. Did/spoke of things that he shouldn’t have.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Jan 16, 2012 9:23 PM MST up reply actions
Agreed, I hope Varly fired that guy but I doubt we will ever know. Also, some KHL team paid Varly’s dad some money to convince Varly to sign in the KHL. It was a week away from July 1 and Varly had a deal hammered out with the Caps and all that was left was to actually sign when he went mysteriously silent after his dad took the bribe and then a week later on July 1 he refused to sign.
I hope you are right. I just don’t know. I just didn’t like how Chambers treated the situation. The DP writers are very juvenile sometimes. Although I really have enjoyed Chambers more positive mentality.
by avalanchejef on Jan 16, 2012 9:26 PM MST up reply actions
I’d rather seen honest, objective, even reporting. This love/hate stuff is annoying. Usually Chambers is better than this, above this.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Jan 16, 2012 9:27 PM MST up reply actions
I agree about Chambers, I was quite enjoying him as a refreshing break from Dater and then he wrote that blog.
of course Dater thought it was brilliant.
by avalanchejef on Jan 16, 2012 9:29 PM MST up reply actions
Those two reminds me a bit of Calvin and Hobbs
by avalanchejef on Jan 16, 2012 9:30 PM MST up reply actions
lol
that’s funny shit right there.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Jan 16, 2012 9:38 PM MST up reply actions
Of course one of the Caps beat writers Whyno retweeted that article. He’s one of the reporters that likes to post updates on Avs Watch aka AvsFailWatch. I find it obnoxious. Another beat reporter that also likes to post Avs Fail watch updates said:
@BenRaby31
So basically like in DC after every game?
Agreed. I do think Chambers was too harsh on Varly (even though I understand where both are coming from), but he’s generally less likely to do this sort of thing than Dater is.
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What does it matter whether he is more likely or less likely to do it than Dater? Dater has nothing to do with this.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Jan 16, 2012 9:39 PM MST up reply actions
Um wow…
He acts Varlamov blows him off all the time… until this becomes a habit, I’d be concerned, and even then I’d give two shits. It’s their right whether they wan’t to talk or not.
I want them to talk, but I don’t really matter to Varly lol.
Paul Stastny did, what Paul Stastny does. Score big goals.
Varly doesn't need to worry about hurting Chamber's feelings.....
….he just needs to get back to work with our full time goalie coach. Our full time goalie coach…gosh, I can’t seem to remember his name right now….will not only help Varly learn from this game but will help him understand how to deal with reporters after a tough loss. What’s that you say?
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The full time goalie coach name is Jiggy, Gosh who is this guy?
by avalanchejef on Jan 16, 2012 9:31 PM MST up reply actions
Hey Bronco season is over.....you'll have to deal with me from time-to-time
"Pain don't hurt" - Swayze (Road House) -- We miss you man!
I got that.....
…..we need a . Whose the editor around here?
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it did say "sarcastic font" but apparently brackets make a period.
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Pffft. Who needs editors? Oh wait…
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by Cheryl Bradley on Jan 16, 2012 9:40 PM MST up reply actions
I think I may have identified one of the things holding you back….
2011-2012 Lokomotiv Yaroslavl: Vyechnaya Pamyat!
2011-2012 Colorado Avalanche: Chances are rapidly diminishing that this will not suck.
Jean-Sebastian Giguere: Backup Goalie Other Starter Starting Goaltender/Goalie Coach/Team Mentor extraordinaire.
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Wait, where does it say Giguere is now the starting goaltender? Varly has had two really bad games recently, games that the team in front of him played like shit.
Why do people overreact to every single game? We are still in rebuild people! Rebuild includes a learning curve. Guess what we have this year? A LEARNING CURVE.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Jan 16, 2012 9:42 PM MST up reply actions
Most goalies don’t get in the groove until 26 (or something like that). Varley is only 23. I would say he is about 2 years ahead of the curve.
by avalanchejef on Jan 16, 2012 9:46 PM MST up reply actions
Few points
1) What a team loss. Good news is that SOB didn’t have to wait long to get back in the game. Quincy is probably thinking “What a lucky bastard”
2) The Avs win and lose by Defense. Today, the defense was horrible. Hejda had a horrible game, Wilson was all over the ice as long as the puck was not within 20 feet of him. ROB didn’t have a bad game per say but holy hell he is slow, and what a defensive liability. I can’t really think of anything Johnson and Quincy did, nor Elliot. It will be interesting to see who sits and who plays next game. It might not hurt Hejda to sit a game and watch the play from a different angle, or give Wilson a bit more time to recover or have ROB sit. Who knows, the only ones that I think is safe is Quincy and EJ.
3) Hartly said the best players needs to be the best players. Our actual best players are Duchene, SOS, Duke, EJ and Jones. However our best are Radar, Landy and EJ. Duchene is injured so he gets a pass. SOS is turning things around slowly, the Duke has been awful the past few games, and EJ has been really solid the last few games. Andie had a good write up about this.
4) Mules is looking really good. Just a bit off and we have not seen that boom-boom shot yet. I would like to see Jones with Landy and Radar. If Jones does not show up it is alright because they are use to that, but I think Jones is better suited for that line then Hejduk, crash and dirty goals. I would like to see Mules with SOS and Duke. That is more set up for sniping and play set up. Can we see this next game.
First time in awhile I can’t really pin anything down here. Not being sarcastic at all, just can’t point to a turning point or a trend.
We started on time. We had some excellent scoring chances. Varly made some terrific saves. I guess that’s the good part.
We couldn’t bury our chances. Koby and McClement picked up 2 of our 3 points. Made some defensive mistakes – Hejda’s been really good for awhile, but that was a bad pinch. I thought Quincey was pretty poor before I saw his minus 3. Elliott…well, that was all said and done by the time he gave up the puck.
I’m just gonna shake this one off. It’s an 82 game season. I don’t think there’s a bag skate coming, or anything like that. Might shake up a few of the bottom 6 guys, but what choice do we really have?
Phoenix played well. Tippett is amazing. The Coyotes have the best unis in the league.
Shouldn’t you be somewhere else right now?
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Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Jan 16, 2012 9:57 PM MST up reply actions
We said this against the Blues loss too… these ugly losses are going to pile up and I for one am a little concerned they’ve gone 1-3-1 in their last 5.
Paul Stastny did, what Paul Stastny does. Score big goals.
The ugly losses are already piling up. I think they mentioned it on the Dallas broadcast. When the Avs win, it’s usually a close game, when they lose they fucking lose like they’re trying to win a gold star in losing. They get blown out. Like it or not, it’s part of the team’s identity this season.
If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!
trying to win a gold star in losing
It’s apparently a scratch-n-sniff
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by MalachiConstant on Jan 17, 2012 9:01 AM MST up reply actions
Wow.
Totally amazing album of Avs pictures from the game tonight. Not enough O’Reilly for my liking, but very, VERY good photos of a lot of our boys.
The Mueller, EJ, and Landy ones are particularly good. And the ones of Gali focusing made me laugh.
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Today I saw this adorable pic of Varly with some Team Russia teammates with their silver medals from the 2007 WJC
Then I realized that this pic is actually quite sad. Those 6 guys are all from Lokomotiv. Artem Anisimov and Varly are the only ones still alive. The other guys who died in the plane crash are: Alexander Vasyunov, Kiryukhin, Churilov, and Anikeenko. I don’t know which guy is which though other than Varly. I think Anisimov is the guy on the far left, and I think Alexander Vasyunov is second from the left. He was good friends with Anisimov and Varly, and he was a draft pick by the Devils and played on their AHL team for 3 years, and played in some NHL games last season.
by vtcapsfan99 on Jan 16, 2012 10:39 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
And I thought I was done with heartache for the night. So sad.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Jan 16, 2012 10:41 PM MST up reply actions
If I was Varly, I’m not sure if I could look at that pic. At least not for a while.
I guess for me it helps put things in perspective about what’s really important in life to be reminded that you never know when people are going to pass on, so don’t waste time. I didn’t used to have a very good relationship with my dad and I probably would have left it that way but then he went over to Iraq. It was the motivation I needed to get over everything and move on and try to have a positive relationship with him while I could. Fortunately he made it back home mostly fine, with much improved relationships with all his kids.
by vtcapsfan99 on Jan 16, 2012 10:51 PM MST up reply actions
Perspective is an amazing thing.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Jan 16, 2012 10:52 PM MST up reply actions
Here’s a review of Varly’s performance in that tourney:
Varlamov represented Russia at the WJC U-20 tournament and was the second-best goalie at the tournament behind Canada’s Carey Price. Varlamov allowed 9 goals on 136 shots (1.51 GAA) and was 5-1 with 2 shutouts as Russia reached the gold medal game before falling to Canada, 4-2. Varlamov was selected one of Russia’s three best players for the tournament.
by vtcapsfan99 on Jan 16, 2012 10:42 PM MST up reply actions
So heartbreaking.
It's all about Winnik
by Sandie Gauthier on Jan 17, 2012 7:58 AM MST up reply actions
Varly, wildly inconsistent. The perfect goalie for the Avalanche…who are wildly inconsistent themselves. This is where the full-time goalie coach would be perfect, instead of relying on JS Giguere. I think it’s also time to give Giggy the bulk of the starts. But that’s just me
Goalie coach? We don't need no stinking goalie coach!
Neutral Zone
I only was able to watch the game in the late second and third periods but the one thing that jumped out at me is how awful the avs neutral zone play was.
One of the basic principles of neutral zone play (when you have the puck) is to try and make the “long” (diagonal) east west pass from the defensemen to the forward. If you can connect on this pass it allows the forward to have time and space moving into the offensive zone. The avs allowed Phoenix to hit on these passes consistently and the Coyotes moved into the zone with speed and space often.
To counteract this the forwards need to fill their lanes more effectively with active sticks and bodies and the far side defenseman needs to tighten his gap significantly to close off the pass. If they can force the opposition up the strong side I think they will be much more successful in forcing a dump and chase tactic from the opponent instead of the “oh hey, i have like 30 feet of open ice and 3 buddies!” style that was prevalent on monday.
I am sure the coaching staff saw this and hopefully the avs will rectify this tomorrow against the cats
by Do Not Feed the Octopus on Jan 17, 2012 3:18 PM MST reply actions
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