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What's up with Paul Stastny?




Paul Stastny is having a tough go of it this year. For whatever reason, most of his numbers are down. His 11 goals are right on pace, but his 10 assists and 21 points are far and away the worst numbers he's given the Avalanche. Using the brilliant game logs at hockey-reference.com, I thought it might be.... enlightening.... to look at his career in terms of goals, assists, and points per game over the last ten games. The upside of doing this is that it takes a few games to start showing change in the trend, flattening out many of the inconsistent spikes hockey is expected to produce from anybody. The downside is the same--it's a bit of a sluggish measure to show change.

After the jump: graphs, details, and speculation.

Star-divide

2006-07

Stastny had what you might call a ridiculous rookie year. His stat line reads 28G-50A-78P, playing in all 82 games. He took part in Joe Sakic's last 100-point season. Though the graph of this season is fairly chaotic (he's a rookie), some important trends begin to emerge: hot start, cool down, respectable pace, and absolute explosion late in the year.

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As with all the graphs here, the blue line corresponds to goals, red to assists, and green to points. It starts at the 10 game mark (because goals per game over the last ten games makes no sense until you've played ten games). Paul starts with a brief stint over a ppg pace, calms back down, hovers back around the same level for awhile, and then blammo, as the Avs jump into their ultimately unsuccessful playoff push, Stastny goes on a world-beating tear. That's a 20-game point streak, at the height of which he's between 1.5 and 1.6 ppg. What's most interesting to me is he isn't scoring goals in that time, as you can see by the G/10 line dropping to 0.2. It's assists. That's another important trend to watch going forward.

2007-8

No sophomore slump here. Stat line: 24G-47A-71P, in only 66 games. It's not pictured in the graph but he also got his first taste of the postseason. There's also his only time with a productive Peter Forsberg, who popped in to say "oh hey guys 15 points in 9 regular season games" at the end of the year, though Forsberg didn't figure into enough of Stastny's points to be relevant.

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Stastny peaked early in this season. Then he came back down to Earth hard and missed some time to have his appendix removed. A groin problem kept him out a little longer than expected, but when he did return, well, was his appendix removed for being made of kryptonite? Right back up to at one point a 1.4 points/game pace.

2008-9

Ah, yes. The season in which Joe Sakic retired and the NHL declared a year off to figure out how to carry on. Some NHLers still played games of shinny or something to pass the time, and some utter nerds kept track of their numbers. Stastny played in some of those games, tallying 11G-25A-36P, but due to a couple of different injuries only made 45 of the games. No graph due to the unreliable nature of the data, the games, the teammates, the injuries...

2009-10

Welcome to the Joe Sssssssacco Show. Welcome Matt Duchene and Ryan O'Reilly. Welcome back, Old Paul Stastny. 20G-59A-79P in 81 games.

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Ugh, girl look at that spring. Points in 16 of 20 games from March on (and he was scratched the last game to rest up for some playoffs action.) Not that he was a slouch when the season began either but there was that typical late-in-the-season push we're seeing over and over. Boy I don't know what the Olympics taught Mr. Walnuts but lordy be, that peak at 1.7ppg is his highest ever. The Avs may have ridden hot goaltending into the playoffs, but Stastny was a big part of it himself.

Uh-oh.

In the 2010-11 season the Pepsi Center decided it had had enough of this whole return to the playoffs thing and decided to pick off Avalanche players one by one until they had amassed 5 full seasons or more of man-games lost to injury. By the time the organization figured out what was going on and put in softer, more understanding boards, the damage was done, but at least we came out of it with a fancy new Swede and a gnarly D-man who's still shivering up in Saskatoon. Stastny also switched to a graphite stick, from wood, at the beginning of the season. His line: 22G-35A-57P in 74 games played. If that looks low...

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It's because it is. Stastny did not see his typical late-in-the-year burst; in fact, quite the opposite. He and everyone else couldn't goals. The goalies couldn't saves. Forsberg himself couldn't right the ship. Peter Stastny was mad about some big blockbuster deal or something. Turn the page, ugh.

This season

isn't much better for Stastny. So far with 37 games, his goals actually outnumber his assists (what???): 11G-10A-21P. That's 0.57ppg and would easily be his worst season on record if it continued through April. Here's the graph. It sucks.

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Never once has he touched a ppg pace over ten games. This team needs more than that out of him.

Speculation

All right, so, what happened?

First, here's a look at all these graphs put into one big one. This version is teeny-tiny so I couldn't fit in the important marks of when things happened, so, click to embiggen.

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Look at that drop-off. It wasn't so noticeable in the context of only the Tank Season, but compared to his whole career, and with this year on the end of it, and with a big black arrow showing it to us, man. That's a huge sudden noticeable difference. First off, when was that? Second, what the hell happened?

That trough hits bottom around the midway point of last season. Game 41. Chris Stewart, still heralded as CGDS around here, was out with a hand broken on Kyle Brodziak's melon. He returned shortly after, but you'll notice nothing is noticeably different. Stastny's numbers slightly peak but it's not until after the St. Louis deal.

I had some ideas I wanted to check before I started this project. They were:

  • It's Skipper Joe's fault. Sacco can't coach star players. Probably not the problem, look at October 09-December 10.
  • It's the graphite stick. Probably not the problem, as Stastny was doing fine with it for half the year last year, and it would be strange for him to un-adjust.
  • Peter Stastny was right, and dealing Stewart and Shattenkirk was a big blow. Eh, not so much, the struggles had begun before that deal happened and Stewart had been out with his busted hand long before Stastny's numbers plummeted. This has some evidence for it but I'm not convinced due to confounds that I'll get to.
  • Stastny relied heavily on input from Super Joe to excel. Probably not, again, look at the 09-10 season
  • Something physically is wrong/different with him.

Do you guys remember a game last December in Chicago? It was game 31, and Bryan Bickel cross-checked Stastny from behind into the boards behind one net or the other, can't remember which. The hit was gnarly, we feared concussion, but Stastny was back 2 games later, only missed one with some sort of back injury. Two games into that return the Kings rolled in and won 5-0, and the Languishing began. Here comes the speculation: Game 31 is ten games before game 41. Ten games later, the full time it takes this measure to adjust (synergy!), Stastny had entered the funk he's still in. In the calendar year-plus since returning from that injury, Paul Stastny has had 8 multi-point games. For comparison's sake, he had 20 during the preceding calendar year, 17 in the 09-10 season. You can't blame all that on the Tank either, as half came in each season.

Do I know that Paul Stastny is battling some kind of nagging injury? ....no. Don't be ridiculous. He should have had all summer to recover from it had it lingered even that long. But would I be surprised to see him suddenly turn on the jets and be quoted in a Chambers article that he just hadn't felt right in a while but is better now, or to see him undergo some kind of surgery and come back on fire? Not at all.

Maybe Stastny needed Stewart. I doubt it, because Stastny tore up the league to the tune of a shiny new $6.6 million contract while Stewart was still in Cleveland, but there's a confound I can't control for. Maybe he's been phenomenally unlucky. Maybe his confidence has been in the toilet since the Tank. Maybe, physically, something is wrong.

Maybe.

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I don’t know what’s wrong with the formatting there, why the beginning of 06-07 is bold… ghosts in the HTML.

At exactly what point do you start to realize that life without knowledge is death in disguise?

by SteveHouse on Jan 2, 2012 12:22 PM MST reply actions  

Great work

Not only with the charts and the numbers, but with addressing what might be wrong with Stastny.

He’s a very important player, there’s no doubt about it, but he hasn’t been nearly good enough for awhile now. The 10 assists is just mind-blowing.

by DiD on Jan 2, 2012 1:34 PM MST reply actions  

Forgot to ask – are we still not trading him for Claude Giroux?

by DiD on Jan 2, 2012 2:15 PM MST reply actions  

Dan, as one of SoS’ biggest detractors, do you think he’s just not as good as his earlier career numbers indicate or is there some other reason behind his decline since the start of 2011?

If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!

by Mike @ MHH on Jan 4, 2012 1:58 PM MST up reply actions  

I think something’s wrong with him. I don’t think his earlier performance was fluky or unsustainable. He’s always played a pretty simple game, nothing flashy. He’s smart, good defensively, has excellence flowing through his DNA, and has made his teammates better in the past. For such a huge decline in performance, I think there must be something wrong. No idea what, any guesses would just be speculation.

I like the guy a lot, I just want him to play better.

by DiD on Jan 4, 2012 3:09 PM MST up reply actions  

I’m sticking with the stick.

Pun.

When does the hurting stop?

by BraxtanFILM on Jan 3, 2012 12:27 AM MST reply actions  

Great research, and very well written. I also like how you presented multiple situations that could possibly ail Paul without purely pinning one on the his slumping.

In the same category as “he’s not playing with Stewart,” could you account for his lack of production assist-wise with the caliber of player he’s played with recently? Jones seems to have fallen off, Dutchy’s battling injury, and Gali has just now seemed to catch some of his fire again, so where does that leave Staz?

by quietstorm560 on Jan 3, 2012 1:37 AM MST reply actions  

My idea for further research was to use the same site’s brilliant scoring logs and see who his most common fellow points-getters were.

(yes this is copypasta)

At exactly what point do you start to realize that life without knowledge is death in disguise?

by SteveHouse on Jan 3, 2012 11:22 AM MST up reply actions  

Very awesome post.

The reason I'm in town, in case you're wondering, is because of a Kansas City Shuffle.

by Randy Time on Jan 3, 2012 3:51 AM MST reply actions  

Stastny's linemates?

I’m too lazy too look back, but anyone remember who he played with more often than not during his first 3 years?

by Mapletreemarty on Jan 3, 2012 8:48 AM MST reply actions  

woops… text in wrong box.

by Mapletreemarty on Jan 3, 2012 8:48 AM MST up reply actions  

My idea for further research was to use the same site’s brilliant scoring logs and see who his most common fellow points-getters were.

At exactly what point do you start to realize that life without knowledge is death in disguise?

by SteveHouse on Jan 3, 2012 11:21 AM MST up reply actions  

Stats still isn’t scoring. Dutchy’s out. And this team is winning ballgames. (™ Julie) Trade them both for some offensive depth?

We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.

by Bob in Boulder on Jan 3, 2012 11:56 AM MST reply actions  

Rick Nash!

I’d miss Pablo but. Nash=Stats+?. We keep Dutchy.

by MrTheCat on Jan 4, 2012 12:28 AM MST up reply actions  

Post Invalid!

You failed to test the obvious premise, which really is an axiom by now:

STAZNEE IZZ DA SUXXORRZZ! OVRPADE!

click to embiggen.

Rec’d

2011-2012 Lokomotiv Yaroslavl: Vyechnaya Pamyat!
2011-2012 Colorado Avalanche: Chances are rapidly diminishing that this will not suck.

by Hopfenkopf on Jan 3, 2012 11:46 PM MST reply actions  

Could he have had a concussion and not told the trainers/docs/management? Could he still be feeling the effects?

If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!

by Mike @ MHH on Jan 4, 2012 1:02 PM MST reply actions  

now THAT

is rampant dangerous speculation of the best kind: the kind that makes perfect sense and is totally unfalsifiable. Could it be true? Sure. If it’s false, is there a way for us to know? I’m gonna go with nope on that one. If it’s true, is there a way for us to know? Not until Paul says as much afterwards. You could be dead on the money and we’ll still never have any way to know for sure.

At exactly what point do you start to realize that life without knowledge is death in disguise?

by SteveHouse on Jan 4, 2012 4:31 PM MST up reply actions  

Linemates!

I’m going with Stastny’s linemates as a big reason for his drop off in numbers. The guy is a playmaker and the other night was playing on a line with Galiardi and Winnik. No offense to either player, because I do like them both, but they’re not exactly top-6 snipers in this league – something Stastny needs. He has had Hejduk, Jones and Duchene flank him at times but Jones, and Duchene have both struggled at times this year as well. He needs to be more aggressive and play with better teammates if he’s going to put up the point totals expected of him.

Wait! Who the heck are these guys?

by tdeucer on Jan 4, 2012 1:47 PM MST reply actions  

Like I said above, I’d like to look into that next. But I’m going into it (as honestly you should) trying to prove that false, partially because it’s good science and partially because I don’t buy it. He had that much better linemates in 09-10? Stewart hasn’t looked the same since Stastny’s dropoff, including time with a whole different team, and that’s coincidence? (Jones, same question?) He had better linemates in the 08-09 lockout?

Like I said I’m open to the idea, but I’m expecting it to prove shenanigans.

At exactly what point do you start to realize that life without knowledge is death in disguise?

by SteveHouse on Jan 4, 2012 4:28 PM MST up reply actions  

You may be right. This season may just be an anomaly for Stazz … He may just not have had “it” to start to the season. I’ve liked his performance the past few games – he looks more aggressive and taking more shots. Still, I’d like to see better wingers on his line than TJ and Winnik.

Wait! Who the heck are these guys?

by tdeucer on Jan 5, 2012 4:38 PM MST up reply actions  

“No offense to either player”

You can leave it at that

THE COLORADO AVALANCHE HAVE WON THE STANLEY CUP. RAYMOND BOURQUE: A DREAM COME TRUE!

by Pyotr09AVS! on Jan 4, 2012 11:04 PM MST up reply actions  

linemates

Look at when hejy scored 50 goals – Peter the Great was feeding him pass after perfect pass, but only with Peter on his line. Gali and D. Jones have been anything but consistent. He still needs to set up and be as close to a veteran as we can get on this young team.

by thoff on Jan 6, 2012 1:41 PM MST reply actions  

Excellent point, but he was also racking up points with the likes of Wolski on his wing. It bears further study, but it’s not immediately obvious.

2011-2012 Lokomotiv Yaroslavl: Vyechnaya Pamyat!
2011-2012 Colorado Avalanche: Chances are rapidly diminishing that this will not suck.

by Hopfenkopf on Jan 6, 2012 4:31 PM MST up reply actions  

Everyone is making bold statements.

We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.

by Bob in Boulder on Jan 10, 2012 10:46 AM MST reply actions  

What’s up with Paul Stastny? Not his PPG!

Bazing!

When does the hurting stop?

by BraxtanFILM on Jan 12, 2012 5:58 PM MST reply actions  

Here comes the speculation: Game 31 is ten games before game 41.

I think you can safely say that is fact and not speculation, just ask sunnyside, he will tell you, he is good at observational math.

Avalanche Hockey: egressing to the mean

by cush52 on Jan 13, 2012 10:07 AM MST reply actions  

We should have spent our money on this guy

We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.

by Bob in Boulder on Jan 13, 2012 11:37 AM MST reply actions  

$600,000 cheaper too.

2011-2012 Lokomotiv Yaroslavl: Vyechnaya Pamyat!
2011-2012 Colorado Avalanche: Chances are rapidly diminishing that this will not suck.

by Hopfenkopf on Jan 13, 2012 1:03 PM MST up reply actions  

I wonder if we could use the $600,000 to sign his girlfriend.

Avalanche Hockey: egressing to the mean

by cush52 on Jan 13, 2012 1:10 PM MST up reply actions  

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