Chicks and their Polls: How much is that rental?
by Cheryl Bradley on Jan 3, 2012 11:01 AM MST
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Well, well, well. The Avalanche have found themselves back in the playoff hunt. Unfortunately, it's come at the same time as star forward Matt Duchene suffers a knee injury that will keep him out at least a month. At least we know the Avalanche luck hasn't let us down! The worst part of losing Duchene is, of course, the loss of yet another top-six winger. The lack of talent depth at that position needs to be addressed if the team has any realistic chance at all of making it to the post season. At this point in the season, that means a trade. But which Av would make the best trade bait?
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For a rental? Definitely one of the “anothers”.
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by MalachiConstant on Jan 3, 2012 11:23 AM MST reply actions
This. O’Byrne, maybe? (Not that we’d get much for him, but as part of a package deal…)
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by Rather Dashing on Jan 3, 2012 11:37 AM MST up reply actions
You think that O’Byrne could be the key player in a trade that would bring back a top-six forward?
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by Cheryl Bradley on Jan 3, 2012 11:53 AM MST up reply actions
I’m not clear from the article if Cheryl is insinuating the Avs would trade for a rental player just for a playoff push? Or give up someone to a team making a cup push.
If the latter, what about McClement? His stock isn’t as high now as it was a couple years ago but he’s a pending UFA who could maybe fetch a small return from a team needing a defensive specialist.
The lack of talent depth at that position needs to be addressed if the team has any realistic chance at all of making it to the post season. At this point in the season, that means a trade. But which Av would make the best trade bait?
Not sure what’s not clear about that: who would the Avs have to trade in order to get a top-six winger?
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by Cheryl Bradley on Jan 3, 2012 11:55 AM MST up reply actions
Right now it seems that we are missing Flash’s production in order to be a real playoff contender. Hannan for Flash was a pure magic by Sherman (Pracey? Maybe he scouted Flash). Maybe he can pull something like that again, using Hejda/Quincey/ROB.
So we are a 60pt winger away from contending for playoffs. Can we get one in FA? Semin maybe. But Semin’s character seems like a bad fit for our current philosophy.
We don’t have a 60 point player on the roster… tops is ROR at 29 points (58 point pace). We need a couple of 60 point forwards to have a realistic shot at the playoffs. We simply either aren’t talented enough or are not getting enough bang for the buck with the talent we have. We simply don’t have the offense to make a push. Looking at it from a different perspective… who SHOULD be putting up those numbers? Only a couple of 30 goal/60 point scorers in my mind… Stastny, Duke, Duchene. Anyone else? Jones maybe? O’Reilly if he maintains the hot pace sure… but we’re awfully short on scorers.
There are 49 NHL players with 30 or more pointsand thats with as few as 36 games played. None of them wears the Burgundy and Blue.
“Right now”. Meaning this season. Meaning that with Flash signed and his current output we would have had 3-4 more wins, maybe.
Parise/Semin/Moulsen/Flash-Stastny-Duchene
Landeskog-O’Reilly-Hejduk
Looks pretty decent top-6 if you ask me.
And yeah we are getting more than enough bang for our buck. We have the lowest payroll in the league and right now are in the playoff picture. Easy math.
Pracey’s an amateur scout. They have others for pro scouting. MAybe that doesn’t mean anything, I’m just going by their titles, but…
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Must not trade a young core player
If we trade Elliot, I will bang my head against the wall until I reach Mueller status. We’ve already mortgaged the future with the Varly deal, so we cannot let any young prospects or draft picks go. We have pretty good current and future depth on defense so it would need to be one of those guys. A lot depends on Ryan Wilson’s status. When he returns to the lineup, we’re going to have a major logjam on D. I don’t really want any of our guys gone, even Hunwick is a decent 8th man, but we would be able to afford letting one go. Quincey probably has the best value, but O’byrne is another possibility. O’brien is too useful, Wilson is a diamond in the rough, they’ll never admit defeat on EJ, Elliot makes everyone around him better (at least on the offensive end), and Hejda’s contract overrides his value. I have been thinking that we should try playing EJ as a winger. It would probably crush his pride, but I think he would thrive there and he would give us exactly what we need.
mortgaged the future with the Varly deal
You hear this a lot. I don’t buy it. What the Avs did is draft a starting NHL goaltender in the 2012 draft and then paid a second rounder to get him a full season early. It was the biggest hole in the line-up last year and now, with the secondary signing of Jiggy, it’s a strength. Varly is 23. He’ll be in net for years (a.k.a., “The Future”).
playing EJ as a winger
Okey dokey.
OK Shermie, time to be the shepherd
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If only I could convince others around me with such eloquency…
by quietstorm560 on Jan 4, 2012 12:30 AM MST up reply actions
Jean-Sebastien Giguere – No freaking way. He’s a steadying presence for the whole team, fills in more than admirably when the young starter is shaky, and is basically the goalie coach.
Stefan Elliott - No freaking way. He is supposedly why we were able to trade both Shattenkirk and Liles. Management sees him as part of the core.
Kyle Quincey – Arguably the Avs best defenseman this season, with the possible exceptions of Wilson and recent Johnson. The only one on here I think is plausible.
Paul Stastny – No freaking way. Not with Duchene hurt. And with the big contract, you’re not likely to get good value for him. Also, if the goal is to get a top-6 forward, then giving one up is just a lateral move.
Ryan O’Reilly – Hahahahahaaa! Good one.
Another Defenseman – The Avs most favorable option of those listed here.
Another Forward – Lateral move. See Stastny, Paul.
If the Avs could move any one of RoB, SoB, Hunwick, Wilson, or Barrie for a top-6 forward, then I think they would. However, since you have to give something to get something, I don’t really see any of these as highly likely possibilities. That leaves us with Quincey as the most likely to be traded.
Do I think the Avs should trade him? I do not. But that wasn’t the question.
No soup for you!
Jones should be on this list because hes the one guy on this team that holds value and we can afford to ship out. The other guy that holds even more value right now is Quincey but I don’t believe we can afford to trade him. Package Jones with a pick or prospect and see what that would get you. Another UFA but a upgrade maybe.. I must sound like a Parrot right now but.. Ruutu.. Ruutu.. Ruutu..
There are options out there and we have good valuable defensive prospects. I would say our trade bait is not that strong but Jones, Barrie, Gaunce, 2nd.. One of our D. We have some pieces but not much.. So a pending UFA but an upgrade on Jones would be what I got after. Teams to Look at are Columbus, Carolina, Anaheim, and Montreal.. two more are Edmonton and Calgary but they are in our Div so it’s not likely anything will happen there.
I would be curious about Hemsky but speculation is that Edmonton for whatever reason wants way to much for him being a pending UFA and injury prone. He’s still a good player with a lot of skill that could be a good top 6 guy and cheap.. Not injured I think him and Stastny would be pretty good together. Hemsky gets compared to Hejduk.. Or at least I heard that somewhere. (Can’t remember.. Hope it was not our announcers)
I have to say I would at least be curious as to what it would cost. If he could get beyond some of his injury problems he could be a steal because everyone knows he has loads of talent.
Jussi Jokinen – Good player on a very bad team having a bad year. A change in scenery would do him good. His $3M cap number wouldn’t hurt anything. I doubt it would happen as he still has a few years on his contract.
OK Shermie, time to be the shepherd
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I’ve barked up this tree for a while in the hopes of getting Hemsky to line up with Dutchy. I have a feeling that Ales would have some similar magic to what Flash had with Duchene.
by quietstorm560 on Jan 4, 2012 12:33 AM MST up reply actions
Looking at rental/UFAs, Hemsky is on my short list as well. The injuries are a huge concern, but hey, maybe that means he’ll come cheaper?
I still like Tuomo Ruutu as an option a bit more. And obviously you’d like Parise or Doan, but that seems to be a long shot.
Pretty sure Doan is leaving PHX regardless.
I hear Quebec City is nice…
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well, the franchise, I mean. Doan will probably want more of a contender than us if he left that organization, but who knows. I’d certainly be calling him.
He is 35 FFS. We are retiring Hejduk soon and we won’t be contending for 3 or 4 years. We need to pick up a young player in the same age group as our core players (20-24).
....
You know this is hard to do, right?
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I am absolutely shocked that I’m the only one who’s picked Giguere….
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I “think” Jiggy’s leadership has had a lot to do with calming Varly and this teams turn around as a whole. I would not trade him unless Anaheim offered us Ryan because they were feeling nostalgic. (Lets just say it would take A LOT to make it worth it unless he actually asked to go to a contender all of the sudden.)
AJ and I were talking about this last night. Would you trade Jiggy to a contender if it meant a 1st round pick or top 6 winger?
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by Cole D Hamilton on Jan 3, 2012 1:46 PM MST up reply actions
For a low 1st rounder (assuming that it is a trade with a contender)? That’s a really tough question.
For a top 6 winger not on a rental? Yes. With regret, but yes. Just for a rental? Nah.
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Ive toyed with it in my head a little and even while arguing with myself about it.. It feels wrong. lol
I will say this if it’s say 10 through 15th pick in the first round or Jiggy packaged with something to get someone like Ryan or Nash.. You couldn’t say no.. As much as I talk about wanting Ruutu it would be hard to make that trade for me as well.
It just feels wrong!!
I could totally see Varly and Jiggy as our tandem for the next 2 to 3 years. People forget Giguere is not really that old for a goalie. Only reason he was expected to retire was it had seemed as if his injuries would end his career. 2-3 years down the road would be perfect and you never know if things are done right we could see some good playoff pushes in the next 2-3.. We could very well have the best backup goalie in the league. He beats Rask and Snie.. (that dude in vancouver) because of his intangibles obviously.
Lets trade giggy to wash for their first and second rounders.
by Jog73 on Jan 3, 2012 2:17 PM MST via iPhone app up reply actions
If the avs trade Radar
Watch the 11 o’clock news.
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That's all that matters.
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Silly,
everyone knows that the Avs don’t make the 11 o’clock news in Denver!
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But a jumper would…..
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by Bob in Boulder on Jan 3, 2012 5:32 PM MST up reply actions
/hiatusover
Tyson Barrie would seem to be the most likely candidate. Elliott has firmly established himself in that smallish RD role, and Barrie is tearing up the AHL.
Problem is, I’m not sure who’s out there that would be a good acquisition where we need it. This team is dying for wingers, who’s out there as a rental? Tuomo Ruutu would be the only name that jumps out at me.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jan 3, 2012 4:31 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Quincey for Hemsky
gogogo
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mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
i like that
Make it Quincey and something for Hamsky and Pajaarvi
And have Wilson back from injury?
And look out
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by Cole D Hamilton on Jan 3, 2012 6:03 PM MST up reply actions
Free Paajarvi from the AHL!
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No but really
how about Quincey, Barrie, and a 3rd rounder. I have no idea how much they’re valuing Paajarvi. He’s only 20 and was the 10th overall pick two years ago. I really doubt we’d get him without giving up too much. I’m cool with just Quincey-Hemsky
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Barrie? naaaaah lets toss em one of the goalie prospects.
Quincey, Picard and a 3rd for Hemsky and Pajaarvi
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by Cole D Hamilton on Jan 3, 2012 6:11 PM MST up reply actions
I'm worried about the kid, though
He was invisible this year and that’s not exactly an Edmonton team overflowing with talent…
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but he has sooooo many cool names!
He really does have talent though… I get the impression that he may just be a late bloomer, struggling to learn how to use his good size to his advantage. I think I’d take a chance on him. I don’t know if its Pracey, Sacco, Sherman or whoever that’s doing it, but we’ve really helped a few guys get their careers back on track: Mueller, Flash, Anderson (he IS still a starter), Winnik
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by Cole D Hamilton on Jan 3, 2012 6:19 PM MST up reply actions
Sacco could be the guy to get him going see: Stewart, Chris, Galiardi, TJ, Winnik, Dan
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by Cole D Hamilton on Jan 3, 2012 6:10 PM MST up reply actions
Actually I offered Barrie straight for MPS and some of their fans liked it some didn’t. I think MPS could learn from Ladeskog he has the tools and the size. There were comparisons from Scouts comparing MPS and Peter the Great.. Obviously outlandish but they seen some kind of grit and puck possession ability in his game.
Hemsky is a risk but it’s not like hes old and if he became even a little less injury prone he could take Hejduk’s role over slowly in the next couple years as a poor mans sniper with some leadership and play-making ability.
We could play Hemsky on the line with Duchene and Stastny.. Keep MPS in the AHL until next year unless even more injuries hit. Then hopefully MPS and Hishon could battle for roster spots.
Duchene, Stastny, Hemsky, Hejduk, Hishon, MPS, Landeskog, O’Reilly.. Free Agent or Galiardi as our top 9.. Yeah just playing with lines and those names could be fun providing Hishon and MPS are ready for the big show..
Quincey for Hemsky
But…. Edmonton’s defense is already better than Colorado’s. Why would they downgrade?
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i hear he’s poised for a big season
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by Cole D Hamilton on Jan 3, 2012 6:13 PM MST up reply actions
Then trade for Wolski. Then call up Stoa, and run a line of:
Stoa – Hensick – Wolski
TALENT!!!
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by Tony Trujillo on Jan 3, 2012 6:14 PM MST up reply actions
And give Sacco an 8 year extension… plus, extend the contract for the video coordinator… that guy is DA BOMB!!!
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by Tony Trujillo on Jan 3, 2012 6:16 PM MST up reply actions
That would be a killer line in the AHL
not even joking. I bet they’d dominate
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Bye Bye "Capt. Johnson"
He’s done nada for us and Sherman can still play the whole “He’s still young and can still live up to the 1st overall pick”
I’m getting tired of him, his lack of production, and if he doesn’t get traded, he better be willing to take a hellzuva paycut.
Johnson for a 2nd and a top 6 winger would be tremendous.
Dude just the Idea of locking up EJ at 3.5 to 4 million.. Then in a year or two turning into a True No.1 makes it worth keeping him around. He would go from being a good potential No.1 to one of the most valuable players in the League just based on contract regardless if he ends up top 5.. If he even ends up top 15 or 20 it’s a steal..
this is so silly
a paycut? EJ at 2.6 is a steal. He’s without a doubt more valuable than Liles, who we paid 4.2 million with limited complaining. Give EJ between 3.5-4.5 and I’ll be happy as a clam
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by Cole D Hamilton on Jan 3, 2012 6:39 PM MST up reply actions
Exactly.. The risk vs reward on him because he has not broke out before his contract year is rediculous.
He has shown flashes of his top end skill at times this year and even when he’s not on hes pretty solid. He makes some mistakes but hes super young and under tremendous pressure.
I guess I just disagree.....
First off, I thought he was making north of 4 mil, so I take back the paycut part.
But one goal? For him, who was expected to be our PPQB? 1 goal? Sorry, but when I read articles about how coaches are yelling at him to keep his feet moving… that’s junior junior junior stuff. He has to be better.
Again, if the right/good deal is offered, I won’t be sad to see him go.
How about Wayne Simmonds?
-has a right-hand shot
-plays 2nd line minutes
-net presence 5 PPG
-great along the boards
-gritty with a mean streak
-very good skater
-same age as the Avs core players
I think Simmonds would complement the Duchene/Stastny line by opening up more room for them. Not to mention, he would likely finish off more plays unlike hands-of-stone.
i think Philly is very high on him. I dont think he’s going anywhere
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by Cole D Hamilton on Jan 3, 2012 6:43 PM MST up reply actions
I have no idea how much he would cost though but interesting.. Is he a RFA or UFA? About to be RFA or UFA players are all I think we can afford without shipping out something we don’t want to. Quincey is as far into the don’t want to category as it goes.
He just signed for 2 years $1.75M/per. Philly needs a physical vet to replace Pronger. Maybe Quincey fits the bill.
1)Timonen 24pts
2)Carle 21pts
3)Quincey 20pts
I’ve always wanted Carle on the Avs
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by Cole D Hamilton on Jan 3, 2012 7:13 PM MST up reply actions
Ive proposed Quincey a couple times for someone like JVR and they don’t seem to think Quincey is enough of a upgrade on D. They want to package JVR with other pieces to aquire a true No.1 or a potential No.1 so I end up getting reply’s wanting EJ for JVR +.
i love jvr
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by Cole D Hamilton on Jan 3, 2012 7:50 PM MST up reply actions
Hey Andi, can you make a gif out of Galiardi’s reaction to missing that one timer?
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So, I was poking around In Lou We Trust
…and they LIKE Hunwick. Like suggest trading a SECOND for him. I guess his underlying numbers are good or something. Baffled me to no end and completely caught me off guard. Hunwick! No joke! Go see for yourself!
Still, NJ would be a great trading partner for us. They have an overabundance of wings, particularly Left Wings, and wouldn’t mind picking up a few more blueliners. They also have fairly… veteran… goaltenders, and although they’ll probably be looking more at Bernier/Schneider for their #1 goalie next year, maybe they’ll make a trade for one of our young guys too. I mean, Desjardins IS the best goalie in the AHL.
Anyway, just thought I’d share that….
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Henrique plzplzplzplzplz
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Henrique is completely awesome. I wouldn’t mind him on our team at all, but he’s a center. I think there are better options for us on that team if we are talking trades to supplement our core players.
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yeah
since moving centers to wing is something we aren’t in the business of doing at all, right?
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Well, maybe he’ll make the conversion as well as Duchene did, but I always worry about what strengths teams are sacrificing when they move players between center/wing.
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And what about Hishon?
Isn’t he supposed to be some world beating offensive stud, too? You think with Stastny/O’Reilly/McClement he’s going to find himself at center? And so far there really isn’t much evidence that Duchene has made the transition all that well. Even without the injury he was well on his way to a very disappointing season.
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Fair enough. Like I said, I’m not 100% against moving players off their position, but I worry about the conversion. And Duchene… I wonder if his lack of consistent linemates has had more effect on his play than the position he’s playing. I thought he was starting to look okay with Stastny when he went down (not great, but decent). As much as we want him to be the player that makes everyone around him better, he’s just not there yet. He needs chemistry to be good, and we don’t have a guy that he’s instantly clicked with this season. And with the line shuffling, he hasn’t really had much time to develop chemistry the old fashioned way with anyone but Stastny. I actually like him as a wing – it seems to open the ice up for him a bit and it frees him from some defensive responsibilities. It also seems to help him relax and just go play instead of trying to do it all himself. But maybe all he needs is just some time to get to know who he’s playing with instead of being moved back to center.
Just something I wonder about…
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Realistically? How bout Hunwick for Parise?
ok fine. we’ll take clarkson
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by Cole D Hamilton on Jan 3, 2012 8:22 PM MST up reply actions
No but really
you can file this under the “This is why fans aren’t GMs” column.
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We would all.. All of the sudden love the Shermanator if he pulled that off. Because? ITS IMPOSSIBLE lol
They also wanted Hejduk for a 2nd. And they get all butthurt when people won’t lay off the dumb proposals for their captain.
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If we’re at a point where we want to sell and someone offers us a 2nd for Duke I’d say “thanks” and “where do I sign?”
by DiD on Jan 3, 2012 8:40 PM MST up reply actions
Duke has a NMC, and I’m not sure he’d be too keen on relocating his family. He’s captain here and has already won the Cup – besides, if he was going to go anywhere, it would be to a Contender, and a Contender New Jersey is not.
It’s not for Sherman to decide. Any trade of Hejduk is up to Hejduk himself. And I don’t think he’s going anywhere.
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I was looking at it from Colorado’s standpoint, not Duke’s. You had made an analogy to dumb proposals for Parise, I’m just saying that getting a 2nd for Duke at this point in his career would be gold.
A lot of players have been convinced to waive whatever clauses they have for various reasons. And if New Jersey’s making that offer, then I assume they’re in the playoff hunt.
by DiD on Jan 3, 2012 8:56 PM MST up reply actions
I’m not sure it would be a good move from Colorado’s standpoint, not unless they could find another veteran leader to replace him in the room. Skill-wise, yes, a 2nd for Duke would be a good move, but if we’re looking at making a playoff run anytime in the next couple seasons, we’ll need Hejduk’s leadership and experience. We’re so slim on vets that trading our top one away, even for the “future”, may not be the best idea.
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Sigh
He’s just saying Hejduk is not worth a 2nd rounder at this point of his career. He’s not. At all.
Obviously Duke is more valuable to us than he would be to another franchise and no, he isn’t going anywhere.
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Andi, the Rotting Corpse of Milan Hejduk might not be around to see us make those playoff runs. His PPG is the lowest it’s been since his rookie season, and he hasn’t played a full season since ‘08-’09.
Plus what A.J. said.
by DiD on Jan 3, 2012 9:12 PM MST up reply actions
I agree. He’s not been stellar this year, and a young gun from the 2nd round (especially with the way we draft) would be great. He’d certainly give us more than the couple season max that we’ll have Hejduk for.
But we’re constantly talking about the development of our young players. Earlier this year, the team looked leaderless and lost, but since the Duke was given the C, that hasn’t been the case. How much is his presence worth right now? Maybe not a 2nd, but I’d say it’s certainly worth something, maybe even more than his production on-ice right now.
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I really think you’re missing the point.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Jan 3, 2012 9:45 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
That the play of Milan Hejduk isn’t worth a 2nd?
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I think what they are trying to say you have to look at a trade from all sides yes it would be steal to get a 2nd for Duke if you only evaluated his play and the veteran leadership he would bring to another club. His worth to another club won’t be even close to that.
We all understand what Duke brings to THIS club but he won’t fetch anything in terms of trade value even close to that so a Second rounder would be a good deal as that is well above the reasonable price for him on open market.
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by Freakoffaleash on Jan 3, 2012 10:01 PM MST up reply actions
I do completely understand that. It would be silly for another team to trade a 2nd for him, but what I’m saying is that it could be a bad move on the Avs part to accept a 2nd for him.
Luckily, I don’t think he’s going anywhere and this discussion is only a hypothetical one.
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I guess I misread Dan’s original post. I read it as if the team was in the selling mode in general and someone offered a 2nd for Hejduk that the club should take it. I didn’t read it as if we had decided to move Hejduk specifically and were looking for the best offer for him. If we were going to move the Duke, of course a 2nd would be a steal, but at this point, moving Duke for just about anyone is not a good move.
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The Devils are in exactly the same position as the Avs. They’re in 8th spot in the East with a bad ROW. Assuming things don’t change in the next 7 weeks, I doubt they’ll be active sellers. Unless they are desperate for a defender, I wouldn’t expect any quality to come back in return.
OK Shermie, time to be the shepherd
I've always supported
the trade of Statsny and Landeskog/Barrie for Kovalchuk and Parise.
Others disagree, and that’s that, but I’d still do it. And the Devils would too.
I just really honestly can’t tell if that’s a serious comment or not. No offense, please, because my meter is totally screwed up from hanging around here too much.
But, no, New Jersey would never make that trade.
by DiD on Jan 3, 2012 8:41 PM MST up reply actions
Why not?
Jersey gets: youth, tons of cap space, and a decent centre.
Colorado gets: 1st line winger who has succeeded tremendously in the past, a quality centre who can score lots of goals and can be resigned because we have the cap room, and someone who they can market
This borders on the Michael Scott Win-Win-Win scenario.
I brought up Stastny for Parise and they laughed. There’s no way they’d throw Kovalchuk into that deal too for a small puck-moving prospect.
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To ditch that contract
and get a prized defenseman who could be Adam Larson v2.01353838546…. I think they might. So we throw in Hunwick too…. fine
Adam Larsson – 6’3", 220 lbs
Tyson Barrie – 5’10", 190 lbs
Matt Hunwick – 5’11", 190 lbs
Barrie is no where even remotely close to the type of player Larsson is beyond the fact they both play defense. And the only way for NJ to get out of financial trouble is to increase revenue or at least maintain it while dropping other costs. How is trading the only two stars they have for two basically unknowns going to draw crowds or TV ratings or their dollars? They’ll do everything they can to keep the two faces of their franchise there, even if it means moving other pieces.
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I am assuming you are wanting to go a one for one trade, which anyone listed there really doesn’t seem realistic for a “rental” it would just seem like a waste. If we are going to move any of these then it should be for someone who will stick around at least a year or two. A deal for a rental in my opinion should be a package deal of a marginal player and possibly a later round pick or another marginal player. Unless you are an odds on favorite to Contend for the cup (like Nashville picking up Mr Underwood who is staying there but something like that) not a super long shot and just need that little extra talent boost then ya a 1 for 1 for a rental is ok as that may take you to winning the cup but you don’t toss out your team for someone who won’t even be with you for a whole season.
My suggestion is package a D prospect or 2 for some top 6 prospects or up and comers Rentals are for cup runs not playoff experience runs.
BTW at first I seriously thought Cheryl was trolling us with this article but her replies make me think she is serious
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ummmmm
asking what player people think might be the central part of a trade prior to the deadline is trolling? Okay.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Jan 3, 2012 10:02 PM MST up reply actions
You are such a bitch
gosh
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by A.J. Haefele on Jan 3, 2012 10:08 PM MST up reply actions
I’d be incredibly disappointed in myself if this was an attempt at trolling. My skills certainly would be in question.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Jan 3, 2012 10:26 PM MST up reply actions
Like I said trading big pieces of this team for a Rental seem pretty ridiculous IMO maybe I am wrong. Your article says Rental which for a team in our position makes it even more odd, it didn’t make sense to me one bit with the players you are putting up.
Which makes me wonder if people are really understanding the article or if I am really understanding the article because a rental is gone at end of year. Are people seriously willing to trade for some one that is likely gone by end of year? I sure as hell wouldn’t trade any of those listed for that.
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by Freakoffaleash on Jan 3, 2012 10:26 PM MST up reply actions
No, the title says rental. The actual article says a whole bunch more. But then who ever really reads the article?
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by Cheryl Bradley on Jan 3, 2012 10:30 PM MST up reply actions
I did read it and in no way does it say otherwise that the trade wasn’t for a Rental so as the Title states I assume its for a rental. If you meant otherwise the by all rights I am wrong I will admit it but the way its written I assumed everything was about a rental trade which again made little to no sense other than fire sale everything must go we are burning this team to the ground.
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by Freakoffaleash on Jan 3, 2012 10:38 PM MST up reply actions
"The lack of talent depth at that position needs to be addressed if the team has any realistic chance at all of making it to the post season. At this point in the season, that means a trade. But which Av would make the best trade bait?"
This pretty much lays it out that we need some help if we are going to make a playoff push. Besides using the word “Rental” in the headline nothing else talks about getting a temporary player. Like I say that is for teams that do not boast the freedom of cap that we do.
It’s also obvious that the goal is to go as far as we can because we traded our 1st round pick. Everyone saying we are not trying to make the Playoffs must be just trying to tell themselves its ok as long as our pick is not top 5. Our guys need playoff experience as well if we can make that happen without gutting our core players we need to.
Your not getting the point man its an Ambiguous statement, and your Cap freedom argument is moot just because we have the cap freedom doesn’t mean we will use it.
Yes we need a winger and yes it needs to be addressed but it needs to be done smartly, getting rid of any of these players minus getting tremendous return is stupid return. I’m sorry but Ruutu for 4mil without guarantee he will stick around is not smartly for any of those players listed, and I would seriously question the trade for Jones too.
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by Freakoffaleash on Jan 3, 2012 10:55 PM MST up reply actions
Honestly, what I meant and what you read out of it do not have to be one and the same – and I really couldn’t care less one way or the other. I just want to be sure that no one thinks this is an attempt at trolling. It would seriously ruin my rep. I’d like to think I’m much better at it than this.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Jan 3, 2012 10:48 PM MST up reply actions
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by Cheryl Bradley on Jan 3, 2012 10:52 PM MST up reply actions
I have yet to wield the banhammer. You gotta be seriously offensive for me to do that.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Jan 3, 2012 10:59 PM MST up reply actions
Besides the fact that trading for signed players usually costs more. Not many players that are not in their mid to late 30s would be considered rentals for us really. Anyone we trade for we could easily resign. We could however trade for a UFA/rental type player. That is why I use Ruutu.. Most cup contenders could not keep him at 4 million a year without seriously shifting their roster around so he would be a rental for them. Others.. Couldn’t afford to fit him under the cap without some sort of dump in which I am not sure Carolina would go for because they are a budget team so they would just keep him.
In our case we would not need to dump salary on them and could resign him. Making the fact that he is a UFA and the market for him is rental priced because that is most of the demand. We could get a player we could easily sign for cheaper than you normally might be able to. That is part of the benefit of being a team with so much room to maneuver under the cap but “supposedly” not a long term budget team.
The key for us is actually as to how ready management is to spend money on this team. If we listen to the owners recent comments. When the time is right.. The right UFA or the right trade. They will..
So yeah do I think it would be worth it to try and get Ruutu for Jones and a 2nd.. YES because we could offer him 4 million a year for 4 years before he ever hits the market. Especially if he likes it here and it helps us make the playoffs. Ruutu is just my prime example of a player that might be cheaper because he is a pending UFA for us to acquire seeing as we do not have a serious amount of assets to ship out.
It’s a way of adding a offensive as well as gritty boost to our offense for a second half push that would not cost us the farm if we can pull it off. I would completely expect us to resign a player like that..
BTW – I doubt management looked at Flash as a rental but they got him for a rental/UFA’s price. He only ended up leaving because of his Health issues in conjunction with the Altitude. You can see that they attempted it before obviously. It worked but who could really see that Denver was going to be the worst place for Flash to play in the NHL?
Obviously, they should have signed more top 6 UFA's last offseason.
#Hindsight.
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I don’t really remember last years crop of UFA’s being that interesting even before hand when people were speculating on who would be signed and who wouldn’t by that time. This year as far as wingers go is a lot more interesting. Parise, Semin, Ruutu, Grabovski to name a few that are mentioned often. Defense has crazy possibilities with Nashville seemingly hog tied but it’s harder to believe either Suter or Weber will make it to free agency for me than even Parise.. You never know though and we are ready for it when the bombs go off.
There are some very intriguing W options in the upcoming FA class
I’d say Semin tops the list simply because I think there’s a muuuuuuuuuuch higher chance Washington lets him walk than NJ lets Parise out the door. I can’t really see Toronto letting Grabo walk, either. Hemsky is my personal favorite for right now because he represents the kind of reclamation project the Avs love and would be such a quality piece to put on a line with Duchene. Not the kind of sniper we need, though. Ruutu is another one I really like. Very interesting class, no doubt.
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Oh I’d agree, for the most part. That comment was half serious, half trolling. Can’t throw any names out off the top of my head, but there had to have been something better than Lindstrom and Kobasew.
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Michael Ryder has 17 goals and 29 points so far this season. May have been a slight upgrade over Lindstrom. But he would have bumped us over the floor with his outrageous 3.5M per year salary. For only two years. When we’d then have to blow the team up due to the imaginary Blackhawk factor.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jan 4, 2012 6:37 PM MST up reply actions
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