Backhand shelf foreshadows possible Avs problem
by Dario on Jan 4, 2012 2:42 PM MST
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Daniel Wagner over at Backhand Shelf blog has posed a story on penalty +/- with some names that should interest Avalanche fans. Click here to read.
To summarize, Matt Duchene is one of the best players in the NHL in drawing penalties, versus committing them (+12), while Kyle Quincey is the worst (-16). What has changed recently? One is out of the lineup and the other just got back in it.
I think these lists say... something. But not the whole story. Quincey is paired with a rookie which might lead to more penalties and he's the leading defensive scorer on the team. Duchene is high on this list in part because his defensive game isn't very physical so he doesn't take many penalties. Dustin Brown, that guy hits everything that moves and has drawn 25 penalties while committing eleven. If the Kings find their powerplay, look out.
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Personally, I was a little miffed when Quincey was benched for a few games recently, given his relatively good offensive production to this point. I suppose him taking a lot of penalties could have been one of the main reasons why.
If so, hopefully he’ll cut back on that number in the 2nd half.
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Kings had Quincey, and traded him to us along with Preissing and a fifth round pick for Ryan Smyth. Notable:that pick gave us Luke Walker and I love that kid.
I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is.
Doesn't explain why they boo'd him
Yeah he’s a former player but he didn’t leave with any ill will? That seems more and more like a fan base that just wants to hate everything not Kings.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
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They must really hate the Stanley Cup… it has Los Angeles on it’s No Trade Clause.
Paul Stastny did, what Paul Stastny does. Score big goals.
by amit916 on Jan 4, 2012 11:02 PM MST up reply actions 6 recs
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A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
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by A.J. Haefele on Jan 4, 2012 11:44 PM MST up reply actions
Quincey had an altercation behind the play early in the game. That’s why they booed him later on.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Jan 5, 2012 8:49 AM MST up reply actions
It all depends on if they were good or bad penalties. Was he lazy and out of position, or did they save a goal? Were they matching minors for roughing etc? These are all questions that seriously matter when looking at this.
I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is.
Quincey is paired with a rookie which might lead to more penalties
As eluded to by Ilkinio, Quincey is rarely paired with a rookie – unless you are obtusely referring to Landeskog rather than Stefan Elliott (which I who I took it to be).
Quincey’s most common partner is O’Brien on defence (who he has shared 69% of his ice time with), then O’Reilly (37%), Landeskog (34%) and Hedjuk (33%). Elliott is not even in Quincey’s top 10 partners.
Quincey’s the leading defensive scorer on the team
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Whilst this is true, I doubt this is the reason behind his high penalties taken number at this point in the season. In fact, although Quincey has the most points – he does not have the most points at even-strength (Quincey is T-3rd, behind Hejda (!) and Wilson and tied with O’Brien) nor on the powerplay (Erik Johnson is 1st, Quincey is 2nd). Yet all of these players have far better penalty +/-’s.
Perhaps the more likely explanation is that Quincey is facing the toughest opposition of all Avs defencemen and is simply struggling to contain them without committing penalties.
MY bad! GEEEEEZ. I should clarify when I just toss stuff out there like “Maybe because Q is paired with a rook”.
Interesting stat on D man powerplay points. EJ is first, but not on the first powerplay unit (at least when Dutch was on the point. Not sure how that rotation is working with him out and few chances to observe against the Kings). Quincey also gets rotated to the second PP unit.
I'll keep this brief.
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Aseludedalluded to by Ilkinio, Quincey is rarely paired with a rookie – unless you are obtusely referring to Landeskog rather than Stefan Elliott (whichwhom I who I took it to be).
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I just completely refuted an extremely cogent counterargument to yours on a bullshit technicality. Attorneys get paid huge bucks to do that shit.
Least you can do is buy me a beer, Eno$.
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I'll keep this brief.
while I definitely think Quincey takes a lot of really dumb penalties, I should point out that a couple of years ago one of the best players on this list was Tyler Arnsanonian
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jan 5, 2012 7:12 AM MST reply actions
Right, the forward stat here does show a pretty talented list of players though. The more impressive of them are the guys that do have some penalties, rather than a guy like Wellwood who gets a pretty big +/- via having only one penalty. If you’re avoided all contact I suspect your penalty +/- would look pretty decent. That’s why Brown is pretty impressive on that list.
I'll keep this brief.
Again, as with Quincey, the reason why Arnason was so ‘good’ on penalty /- in 2007-8 was by virtue of his LW+RW&f5=COL&f7=40-&c=0+1+3+5+11+12+13+14+15+16" >soft quality of opposition – only the two Cody’s (McLeod and McCormick) were facing worse opposition.
It appears Quality of Competition can explain some of those anomalous results.
As Dario points out Brown’s position on the list is pretty remarkable – as he is facing the toughest quality of competition amongst LA forwards and is top 10 league-wide.
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