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Meet Your 2012-2013 Colorado Avalanche

Every year before the trade deadline, I try to post a little look at the contract situation for the Avalanche for the following season and see if I can predict what might or might not happen on February 27th. This will probably be long enough to fill many leather-bound books, so I'll give you the cliff notes in the opening paragraph. I don't believe the Avalanche are going to be very active at the deadline. 17% of you can stop reading now. And yes, I know Andi did pretty much the same thing 2 hours ago...no one says we can't beat a topic to death here, right?

For the other 83%, here's my rationale. The Avalanche have 6 games remaining until the deadline. As long as they win a couple of those 6, they will likely still be in the hunt. So, very little chance that they would be major sellers at the deadline. On the flip side, I don't see them as buyers either. As you know, they are a tad short on high draft picks next year. And honestly, they don't have a ton in the way of desirable prospects in the minors. To add injury to insult, the Avs seem to be focused on remaining on the cap floor (remember, with all those deals last year the Avalanche didn't add any salary). With Pierre Lacroix *cough* Greg Sherman in charge, there's always the chance of a big Johnson-Stewart-Shattenkirk type deal, but I don't think that's in the cards this year. More on that in a bit. First, let's take a look at next year based on position. Oh, and I'm not bothering to spend much time talking about cap numbers here; salary is not an issue with this cheap *cough* fiscally conservative club.

Goalies

This one's pretty straight forward. Both Semyon Varlamov and J.S. Giguere are under contract next year. Varly isn't going anywhere. I would not be surprised if other GMs were calling to ask about Giguere, but he's such a key component on so many levels it would take an overwhelming offer to pry him away and I don't think that's going to happen.

The Avalanche also have Calvin Pickard, Cedrick Desjardins and Trevor Cann under contract. Pickard will make the jump to the AHL next year. Desjardins and Cann are both free agents this summer, but neither would be highly sought after at the deadline.

Defense

This is an area that could be interesting. On the veterans side, Jan Hejda and Ryan O'Byrne are both under contract next year. Erik Johnson, Ryan Wilson and Kyle Quincey are all RFAs. Matt Hunwick and Shane O'Brien are both UFAs on July 1st.

Clearly, Erik Johnson is not going anywhere. Jan Hejda has been the Avs' best defender; there's very little reason for him to be moved. I know O'Brien has been mentioned as potential trade bait due to his UFA status, but I think O'Brien has been extremely valuable to the Avs both on and off the ice. I can't see them parting with him.

The other four? Probably available. While neither Stefan Elliott or Tyson Barrie have shown yet that they absolutely have to be in the lineup, the Avalanche have enough depth here to move one or two blueliners without doing too much damage. Kyle Quincey is probably the most desirable of the bunch and probably the one the Avs would most like to move; his $3.25 million salary is fairly reasonable for October Quincey but is a huge overpayment for March Quincey. I think Ryan Wilson might be another guy the Avalanche would listen to offers for; he is a big hitter and has been, at times, a defensive beast. He's also maddeningly inconsistent. While the Avs anyone who hits like him, they have several others now who are better defenders. It would not shock me to see him moved. It would surprise me to see Ryan O'Byrne moved - I think he's quietly had a very solid season - but I don't believe he is as untouchable as Johnson, Hejda and O'Brien. Finally, I feel very badly for Matt Hunwick. He's a better player than we've seen with the Avs, but he can't crack the lineup which will severely hamper his chance to be moved to a team that has a spot for him.

My gut feeling is that Quincey moves at the deadline for a forward, Hunwick escapes via free agency this summer and O'Brien (UFA) and Wilson (RFA) re-sign with the clube leaving a core squad next year of: Hejda, Johnson, O'Brien, O'Byrne, Wilson, Elliott and Barrie. Also under contract next year: Duncan Siemens, Cameron Gaunce (maybe the one LEM player I could see the Avs trading at the deadline) and Joel Chouinard.

Forwards

As of today, the Avalanche have three players under contract next year: Paul Stastny, Gabriel Landeskog and Chuck Kobasew. More or less the holy trinity, right? Ryan O'Reilly and Matt Duchene are both RFAs who will certainly be back. Peter Mueller is also an RFA; I'd say he's a safe bet to come back...but if he suffers another setback before this summer, the Avalanche just might get cold feet. T.J. Galiardi is an RFA who would probably get a QO (at $700,000 salary, worth the low investment). Kevin Porter, however, would appear to be an unlikely tender at this point.

With Stastny, a trade has been imminently imminent since last summer but has strangely not happened yet. I don't think he's going anywhere. I believe the Avalanche still consider him a cornerstone player and the move of Matt Duchene to wing relieves some of the pressure to move a core center. His $6.6 million salary is no issue for the Avs (guffaw), but teams who actually try to be competitive would probably need to clear room to add him. And while he's playing better lately, his productivity has dropped 3 years in a row and the Avs would definitely be selling low here if they did make a move. I don't think he's going anywhere.

Along with Porter, the Avs have a bunch of UFAs this summer. Milan Hejduk and David Jones are the two most prominent names. Hejduk is the one player on the Avs with a no-trade clause. I have a feeling this might be it for Milan (36 tomorrow), but you never know. I do know that if he wanted to go to a contender for one last Cup run, he probably would have been moved a year ago, which makes me fairly confident that Hejduk will finish out his career in an Avalanche uniform. Jones is an intriguing case. Despite flashes, he hasn't proven to be consistent top 6 talent and his time with the Avs may be nearing and end. But the Avs need offense and Jones has shown signs of heating up. I have a hard time picturing another team offering a ton for Jones, and I suspect the Avs will ride out the season with him and evaluate his future with the team this summer.

Other UFAs: Jay McClement, Dan Winnik, Cody McLeod and David van der Gulik. Playoff teams could use a guy like McClement or Winnik or even McLeod in certain situations. But since the Avs aren't really sellers right now, they probably are holding on to all of them.

Bottom line, no one player stands out as being clearly on the block. The few guys that could be available are valuable enough to the Avs that a trade isn't highly likely. As for next year, count on starting with Stastny, Duchene, O'Reilly, Landeskog, probably Galiardi and Mueller with a hopefully-healthy Joey Hishon in the mix (Brad Malone and Luke Walker are also under contract). Beyond that, I think we may see some new faces in the lower half of the depth chart...but I don't foresee large changes here at the deadline.

Well, there you have it. As it looks now, it seems to boil down to moving Kyle Quincey for the scoring help the team didn't add via free agency in the offseason. There have certainly been surprises in the past, but I think this deadline is going to be fairly quiet from an Avalanche perspective.

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Trade Landeskog. He puts the milk in before the cereal and that’s just plain Commie activity.

At exactly what point do you start to realize that life without knowledge is death in disguise?

by SteveHouse on Feb 13, 2012 9:28 AM MST reply actions  

that can’t be true, can it?

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Feb 13, 2012 9:38 AM MST up reply actions  

I put the milk in before my cereal, is that weird? I’ve been taking a lot of heat for it lately.

-Landytwitter

Kyle Sohara or whatever his name is has talked about it too.

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by SteveHouse on Feb 13, 2012 9:41 AM MST up reply actions  

yeah, trade him

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Feb 13, 2012 9:41 AM MST up reply actions  

That’s the kind of random crazy shit I expect out of a goalie, you should know better Landy.

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by Jibblescribbits on Feb 13, 2012 10:22 AM MST up reply actions  

Ha

When I read that I looked at my buddy and said “that rivals Roy!”

It's all about Winnik

by Sandie Gauthier on Feb 13, 2012 4:06 PM MST up reply actions  

Does he put syrup on the plate before his pancakes?

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by chiavsfan on Feb 13, 2012 3:22 PM MST up reply actions  

syrup in mouth, then a bite of pancake

Have another donut!

by beersam82 on Feb 13, 2012 3:23 PM MST up reply actions  

Like mixing chocolate milk…chocolate first, sip of milk, shake head…swallow

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by chiavsfan on Feb 13, 2012 3:25 PM MST up reply actions  

It’s almost like drinking shots of Bailey’s that way. You get the same dizzy feeling, but can pass a breathalyzer.

OK Shermie, time to be the shepherd

by Busted Twigg on Feb 13, 2012 4:44 PM MST up reply actions  

jiggy

As great as he has been, if an offer comes in that is a desperate overpayment for a team goin for it, you have to do it. Lets face it. Were going to just get in the playoffs and lose first round, best scenario. Or were finishing on the outside looking in with no selections in the first round. Example of a few teams who may be willing to overpay and are cup contenders: philly-bryz is a basketcase, Wash-deciding to be buyers or sellers soon. Detroit- lord howard s playoff success speaks for itself. Florida- giggy could pull off an upset or two. Toronto- burke has overpaid before and will not be afraid to do it again. Chicago- just might be willing to overpay more than any other team at the moment. Phoenix- one last hurrah before moving to Quebec City. San Jose- Just dont offer us Thornton.
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by Jog73 on Feb 13, 2012 9:52 AM MST via iPhone app reply actions  

Jiggy’s our vet and a damn solid goalie this year. Who do we have to replace him? Everyone decent in LEM (Desjardins) is injured.

It would have to be one heck of an over-payment to move him.

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by andidee15 on Feb 13, 2012 10:32 AM MST up reply actions  

maybe chicago would trade emery and saad for him. They would get a goalie back from whoever they trade with. Unlikely tho imo. That said, it’s unlikely they make playoffs IMO so moving Jones/Giggy/SOB (re-sign him as FA) make sense to get prospects/picks back.

by the cool breeze on Feb 13, 2012 10:35 AM MST up reply actions  

Do you really think SOB would re-sign during the summer after they traded him? Yeah it sounds nice but I haven’t ever heard of anything like that happening

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by Pyotr09AVS! on Feb 13, 2012 2:40 PM MST up reply actions  

doug weight did that, he was traded from the blues to the canes (05-06), then signed back with the blues in the off season (06-07)

but i dont see that happening with sob, imo it would be stupid to trade him right now

Have another donut!

by beersam82 on Feb 13, 2012 2:46 PM MST up reply actions  

Don’t want Emery, don’t want, don’t want. Our old and slow goalie is WAY better than Chicago’s old and slow goalie

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by chiavsfan on Feb 13, 2012 3:23 PM MST up reply actions  

Agree that it’s a bad idea to trade SOB barring Sather-like overpayment coming back. Weight had also played with STL for 3 years (plus a partial season) prior to that trade. Apples & oranges IMO.

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by Hopfenkopf on Feb 14, 2012 4:25 PM MST up reply actions  

If Jiggy was an upcoming UFA, I’d probably agree. But he still has a year left with us and he has been so damn important for this team.

by stpn47 on Feb 13, 2012 11:38 AM MST up reply actions  

ufa

I agree but the one year could also net more in return.

by Jog73 on Feb 13, 2012 11:51 AM MST via iPhone app up reply actions  

I could totally see some interest in Jiggy. And I’d listen to it.

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by DiD on Feb 13, 2012 2:08 PM MST up reply actions  

He’s also the de facto goalie coach so it would have to be a heck of an overpayment.

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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Feb 13, 2012 4:56 PM MST up reply actions  

I won’t be surprised by anything except seeing the Avs trade a player for a package of prospects and picks. I think the Avs goal for this trade deadline is to make significant upgrades in the top-6 F or top-4 D, or do nothing. I just don’t see someone like Quincey or Stastny going for a bundle of lesser players. The Avs have plenty of good lower-tier players. What they need is a few top-tier guys.

OK Shermie, time to be the shepherd

by Busted Twigg on Feb 13, 2012 10:18 AM MST reply actions  

I agree, the only thing I can see happening is trading quincey/pick or role player for a top 6 wing. that’s about it. Free agency is going to be interesting for Avs this year. With Duchene back in not too distant future (any news on his return?) I could see them moving Jones esp. or maybe Duke and hopefully getting a good prosect at wing back. I like Umberger lots if BJ would move him but they would want a lot I think.

by the cool breeze on Feb 13, 2012 10:31 AM MST up reply actions  

Dutch is traveling with the team on the road trip. He’s return is nigh.

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by andidee15 on Feb 13, 2012 10:34 AM MST up reply actions  

great news. I wonder what lines would be now? Maybe makes Jones moving more lilkely. I think Gali could go easily too.

by the cool breeze on Feb 13, 2012 10:36 AM MST up reply actions  

He’s skating in the pumpkin sweater according to Moser.

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by SteveHouse on Feb 13, 2012 10:47 AM MST up reply actions  

i liked the parts where you coughed to cover up what you really wanted to say

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by Cole D Hamilton on Feb 13, 2012 10:46 AM MST reply actions  

just the cold air

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Feb 13, 2012 10:58 AM MST up reply actions  

It’s finally going around

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by chiavsfan on Feb 13, 2012 3:23 PM MST up reply actions  

good analysis DDC

I think Hejduk might be done too.

  • If I’m a betting man, Jones is back next year on a cheap one year show me deal.
  • Every RFA is coming back. Book it.
  • Winnik…I think he’ll be back on a 1.5m/yr contract for like 2 years. We like him too much to let him walk.
  • I think the team feels similarly about McClement, but he’ll have a ton of suitors. If we don’t lock him up relatively early, he’s gone. If I was betting, I think he’s re-signed. 2m a year.
  • O’Brien…no clue. All dependent on his suitors.
  • I also feel we’ll sign a top 6 winger in UFA. If not Parise, whom I think we’ll push hard for, maybe the good Kostitsyn, maybe Semin, maybe Hemsky.
  • Suter isn’t happening.
  • Hishon isn’t making this team next year. IF he gets healthy, IF he progresses well, he might get a call up. That’s it.
  • Siemens isn’t either, though I still think he could technically, but I wouldn’t be shocked to see Gaunce make the team as a #6 or 7.
  • I think McLeod will be gone. Malone will make him redundant.

My lineup guess (with everyone healthy):

Duchene – Stastny – UFA (Parise?)
Landeskog – O’Reilly – Mueller
Winnik – McClement – Jones
Olver? – Galiardi – Malone
Porter

Quincey – EJ
Hejda – O’Byrne
Wilson – Elliott/Barrie
Gaunce/O’Brien

by thedoctor on Feb 13, 2012 11:02 AM MST reply actions  

No VDG or Subaru?

I really like what both of them have brought to the team. They aren’t flashy by any means, but they’re pretty competent defensively and and decent secondary scorers. I’d like to keep them on the bottom line and second unit PK if possible.

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by andidee15 on Feb 13, 2012 11:19 AM MST up reply actions  

I only agree because I feel like Olver is wasted on the 4th line.

At exactly what point do you start to realize that life without knowledge is death in disguise?

by SteveHouse on Feb 13, 2012 11:29 AM MST up reply actions  

I really don’t get the Olver love. I mean he was a ncie hard worker, but players like him are a dime a dozen.

I kind of get the love of his imaginary awesomeness though.

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by Jibblescribbits on Feb 13, 2012 11:48 AM MST up reply actions  

I thought he had a level of hockey sense most 4th liners lack. Other than that, he was a typical undersized, skilled, hard working 4th line type. But with those smarts, he might be more of a 3rd liner with some top 6 fill in ability.

by thedoctor on Feb 13, 2012 11:50 AM MST up reply actions  

I guess I didn’t see him as any better than VDG. My most potent memory of Olver is him skating to the bench with a completely dead leg and thinking his career was over. Was pretty happy when it turned out he only lost a blade on his skate.

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by Jibblescribbits on Feb 13, 2012 12:25 PM MST up reply actions  

I just see him as too midgety for an NHL bottom 6 and not skilled enough for an NHL top 6. Kobasew >

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by SteveHouse on Feb 13, 2012 12:34 PM MST up reply actions  

He’s also hurty a lot…the Avs don’t need more injury question marks

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by chiavsfan on Feb 13, 2012 3:24 PM MST up reply actions  

I see the difference between most bottom 6ers and top 6ers as some 2 of these 3 things — size, smarts, and hands.

Most 4th liners can skate. Most can’t finish, aren’t in the right spots, and/or are undersized. Olver can actually finish and seemed to have some smarts. that’s more than the typical bottom 6er.

by thedoctor on Feb 13, 2012 2:40 PM MST up reply actions  

He’s also absolutely tenacious. If we could put his heart, desire, and skill in Ryan Stoa’s body, you’d have yourself a top-six power forward that could go up against anyone in the league. Alas, we can’t. He still at least tries to play bigger than he is.

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by Cheryl Bradley on Feb 13, 2012 3:17 PM MST up reply actions  

true, but most bottom 6ers don’t lack for that quality, hence why i left it out.

by thedoctor on Feb 13, 2012 3:52 PM MST up reply actions  

true dat.

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by Cheryl Bradley on Feb 13, 2012 3:57 PM MST up reply actions  

Admittedly very small sample size,

Olver Shooting Percentage: 8%,

K. Porter – 12.7
VDG – 4.9
Galiardi – 11.1
McLeod- 8.4
B. Yip – 11.4

I guess I just don’t see it as being any better than anyone else. This isn’t a knock on the kid, but I think you get the same thing out of every single guy on the above list, save Gali whose a step better than all of them

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by Jibblescribbits on Feb 13, 2012 3:21 PM MST up reply actions  

Are those career numbers?

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by Cheryl Bradley on Feb 13, 2012 3:23 PM MST up reply actions  

yes. Of course, Olver’s Career is 18 NHL games. (I was going to try and pull AHL stuff really quick, but they only had numbers for this season, which makes a comparison impossible)

Also, for fun I looked up TJ Hensik’s career numbers: 6.9% which is meh. But the year he had his shot with the Avs (71 gp)… 3.4%. I mean he wasn’t very good, but he had a healthy dose of miserable luck thrown in there. Of course he responded to that bad luck by not working hard in his own end, but still. That’s some damn bad luck for the guy.

I also noticed Hensick wasn’t in a NA league this season (at least, according to Hockeydb) is he in Europe? or did he quit hockey altogether?

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by Jibblescribbits on Feb 13, 2012 3:27 PM MST up reply actions  

Hensick? He is on Peoria in the AHL

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by chiavsfan on Feb 13, 2012 3:35 PM MST up reply actions  

3rd in the AHL in points ( 18g, 44a)

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by chiavsfan on Feb 13, 2012 3:36 PM MST up reply actions  

We’d all better hit the ThomasATM. Sounds ’spensive!

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by Hopfenkopf on Feb 14, 2012 4:30 PM MST up reply actions  

Don’t forget that those 18 games of Olver’s were last year…mostly at the end of the season….when everyone was total shite. I would think that would affect his shooting percentage some, wouldn’t it?

And Yip, McLeod and Gali all had seasons when they were playing above their heads. I just think Olver is better than those numbers indicate.

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by Cheryl Bradley on Feb 13, 2012 3:40 PM MST up reply actions  

His true ability is probably no where near his current number 8% after only 18 games and 25 shots on goal is no where near enough to get any kind of idea on his true shooting talent.

Unfortunately those 25 shots on goal (and whatever people have seen in training camps) is really all we have to go on. I guess I didn’t notice anything in his game that stood out from other 4th liners. Yeah he worked incredibly hard, but 95% of all AHL call-ups do.

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by Jibblescribbits on Feb 13, 2012 3:46 PM MST up reply actions  

jibs, get off the stats thing for a sec, there’s nothing significant to be said from an 18 game sample. watching him, he appeared to have some finishing touch and hockey sense at both ends. nothing’s conclusive, I’m not penciling him into anything but a 4th line, I’m just saying there’s flashes of potential there most bottom 6ers don’t show. mcleod, he is what he is. same for kobasux and such.

Gali and Olver have flashed a bit more (obviously less for Olver, given he’s had less time up), and it remains to be seen is it’s a mirage or not.

by thedoctor on Feb 13, 2012 3:57 PM MST up reply actions  

jibs, get off the stats thing for a sec, there’s nothing significant to be said from an 18 game sample

Which I thought I made pretty clear in the clarification comment directly above this one.

His true ability is probably no where near his current number 8% after only 18 games and 25 shots on goal is no where near enough to get any kind of idea on his true shooting talent.

Unfortunately those 25 shots on goal (and whatever people have seen in training camps) is really all we have to go on. I guess I didn’t notice anything in his game that stood out from other 4th liners. Yeah he worked incredibly hard, but 95% of all AHL call-ups do.

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by Jibblescribbits on Feb 13, 2012 4:02 PM MST up reply actions  

maybe I’m reading you wrong, but I take this

I guess I didn’t notice anything in his game that stood out from other 4th liners.

and you supported that statement with pure stats. I’m trying to say that because the sample size is so small, we have to trust our eyes a bit here, and he seemed to have good hockey sense and hands. Just trying to answer your original question about why some of us think Olver has something to him besides usual 4th line fodder.

by thedoctor on Feb 13, 2012 8:09 PM MST up reply actions  

I think you are. I mean I did post stat, but then I completely backed off of that. I immediately looked at the % first and after hitting post realized that is was based on a grand total of 25 shots, so it said absolutely nothing. So I tried to correct for it and say “My bad, mistake, this says nothing”

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by Jibblescribbits on Feb 13, 2012 11:02 PM MST up reply actions  

/shrug i guess we’ll see in his next stint with the Avs.

by thedoctor on Feb 14, 2012 9:15 AM MST up reply actions  

I guess where I was going with it, albeit very clumsily, was more of a …What gives you the impression he has finishing ability when you’ve seen him score 2 goals? (and whatever you may have seen in practices/camps)

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by Jibblescribbits on Feb 14, 2012 10:08 AM MST up reply actions  

he had some nice shots. they didn’t all go in, but you can look at his ability to get off good shots in tight spaces, receive passes, handle the puck, it was impressive to me — for an unknown, not like he’s Hejduk or something.

added to his penchant for good offensive positioning and hockey sense in general, I am intrigued by his potential.

by thedoctor on Feb 14, 2012 11:00 AM MST up reply actions  

I think with Olver it’s that he could bring some offense to the third line, god knows subaru and winnik and gali can’t finish. That’s maybe the difference with him

by the cool breeze on Feb 13, 2012 2:19 PM MST up reply actions  

STOA!!!!

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by Avalanche318 on Feb 13, 2012 1:01 PM MST up reply actions  

Plus, Subaru is one of the very few players actually signed for next year.

by stpn47 on Feb 13, 2012 11:43 AM MST up reply actions  

Kobasew I forgot, stick him in place of Olver. VDG is a dime a dozen AHL/NHL tweener, as is Porter. I wouldn’t term him a secondary scorer at all. We’ll have guys like him available no matter who it actually is. Mauldin, Hendricks, etc.

Olver actually has a little more skill and sense, I’m hopeful he can complete a full comeback from that concussion and become a solid bottom 6er with maybe even some injury top 6 time in him, a cut or 2 above your usual bottom 6er.

Remember this is a “everyone healthy” lineup. there’s always 1 -3 guys down in reality, which pushes Olver up, Gali up, Jones up, and so on.

by thedoctor on Feb 13, 2012 11:48 AM MST up reply actions  

Pretty much agree with you.

My only thought is to get Parise it’s going to take one of those pre-deadline trades and a contract before he hits UFA. That’s usually pretty cheap, but it may require trading some back end player (like, Ryan Wilson) away.

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by Jibblescribbits on Feb 13, 2012 11:29 AM MST up reply actions  

Yeah, I think letting Winnik go would be a huge mistake. He’s extremely important defensively and on the PK.

by stpn47 on Feb 13, 2012 11:41 AM MST up reply actions  

true, but

he’s apparently a real problem to negotiate with. He sees himself as much better than he is. That’s why he got traded by PHX, according to all rumors.

all the top 6 time this year won’t help either. I could see him getting cut loose if he’s a problem to negotiate with.

by thedoctor on Feb 13, 2012 11:52 AM MST up reply actions  

Phoenix has had quite a bit of trouble signing players too (Turris, Winnik apparently, and I thought some others that I cannot remember now). I doubt it’s all one-sided there.

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by Jibblescribbits on Feb 13, 2012 12:23 PM MST up reply actions  

Hopefully Winnik will look at the Hendricks situation and rethink playing hard ball.

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by Cheryl Bradley on Feb 13, 2012 12:56 PM MST up reply actions  

hope so. like i said, i think he’ll still be retained, but I don’t think it’s a slam dunk either.

by thedoctor on Feb 13, 2012 2:41 PM MST up reply actions  

Completely agree

Winnick has been one of our best acquisitions. Not a big splash of course, but he is solid in so many areas. He’s definitely one of our best grinders along the boards which is something we struggle with. I’d rather have two more Winnicks and one less Kobasew and one less Porter. Bottom 6, top 6 he’s a good player. We’ll resign him. As long as he’s no more than about 1.75mm, he’s a good fit for the Avs.

by pat2717 on Feb 13, 2012 5:50 PM MST up reply actions  

Can’t finish for crap though

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by chiavsfan on Feb 13, 2012 6:31 PM MST up reply actions  

For a 4th round pick? I mean really though, I never expected him to be a finisher. He’s a defensive forward that wears down the opposition, and he’s so defensively responsible that it makes up for the lack of “finishing”. He’s a great bottom 6er.

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by Randy Time on Feb 13, 2012 7:03 PM MST up reply actions  

But Sacco had him playing top 6 minutes for a long stretch this year. A top 6 guy needs to finish…especially with the amount of breaks and odd man rushes he had during that stretch. I know he is back to playing where he is comfortable now though

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by chiavsfan on Feb 14, 2012 6:10 AM MST up reply actions  

But Sacco had him playing top 6 minutes for a long stretch this year. A top 6 guy needs to finish…

If you’re having trouble driving a nail into a board with a wrench, it’s obviously the fault of the wrench.

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by Hopfenkopf on Feb 14, 2012 4:35 PM MST up reply actions  

Great article, DDC. I do disagree with one thing though:

Kevin Porter, however, would appear to be an unlikely tender at this point.

This is the team that tendered Cumiskey (and Hunwick) last year, even though they were never going to let Cumiskey anywhere close to making the team. If the player has any semblance of value at all (and Porter certainly has a little more than Cummers IMO) then they’ll hold on to them and swap ’em for a late round pick or something.

by stpn47 on Feb 13, 2012 11:37 AM MST reply actions  

sup Flash

At exactly what point do you start to realize that life without knowledge is death in disguise?

by SteveHouse on Feb 13, 2012 11:44 AM MST up reply actions  

well, Flash wasn’t a RFA, so we didn’t have his rights.

by stpn47 on Feb 13, 2012 11:58 AM MST up reply actions  

maybe. but keep in mind that Porter has been a pending RFA twice with the Avs and both times re-signed before QOs had to be offered, once taking a fairly hefty pay cut.

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Feb 13, 2012 12:16 PM MST up reply actions  

yeah but that is also b/c they were hugging the cap floor so they had to.

by the cool breeze on Feb 13, 2012 2:21 PM MST up reply actions  

OT

Is it just me? I can’t get the ‘confidence poll’ sliding doohickey to move to where I want to vote…or are we all supposed to vote 50%? What in the name of DDC am I doing wrong???

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by KKtheHippie on Feb 13, 2012 1:44 PM MST reply actions  

answer: voting in the stupid confidence poll

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Feb 13, 2012 1:56 PM MST up reply actions  

It’s like voting in the primaries, it doesn’t really do anything, but make you feel worse about yourself.

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by Jibblescribbits on Feb 13, 2012 2:17 PM MST up reply actions  

Are you kidding? I vote 100% every time. I started after someone from Matchsticks and Gasoline did a post on their site about it, saying how ridiculous it was that our confidence in the Avs was so high (this was at the beginning of the season when the Avs were, you know, good.) So I just troll. It’s fun. Makes me feel very good about myself.

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by Cheryl Bradley on Feb 13, 2012 2:36 PM MST up reply actions  

Tongue firmly in cheek there.

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by Jibblescribbits on Feb 13, 2012 3:22 PM MST up reply actions  

As was mine. =)

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by Cheryl Bradley on Feb 13, 2012 3:24 PM MST up reply actions  

Bless you Boys (Detroit Tigers) has a weekly recap post, I kinda dig it. I wouldn’t mind to see one here.

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by Avalanche318 on Feb 13, 2012 6:49 PM MST up reply actions  

I knew the Avs should have never let Radim Vrbata go.

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by creamy on Feb 13, 2012 1:57 PM MST reply actions  

While I completely agree with the team re-signing the RFA’s, I have strong doubts that they will make any real splash with FA’s this summer. I think they’ll sign some pieces to the puzzle but thoughts of them signing Parise or someone similar are simply unrealistic. Maybe things will be different after a new CBA is reached but for right now, it’s sticking to riding the cap floor.

Do we have any cap money to spend? Just checking.
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by Jeru1975 on Feb 13, 2012 2:01 PM MST reply actions  

we have plenty of room even with the new CBA looming. what about teams at cap max?

by the cool breeze on Feb 13, 2012 2:25 PM MST up reply actions  

That’s going to be a hard sell with the season ticket holders.

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"There's always next season." -- Jimmy Howard on not winning the Calder Trophy.

by Dixomatic on Feb 13, 2012 3:30 PM MST up reply actions  

I think you’ve been brainwashed by the Avalanche owners.
Hugging the floor isn’t a necessity, it’s a choice.
The Avalanche have had to rebuild, and they have to a large extent by getting some young
talent and developing them, but it’s clear that the time has come to get some better talent, if
the owners truly want to win the Stanley Cup.
They must go FA, this off season, and make at least 2 major signings.

...holy freaking f*ck, snakes!

by 7sky on Feb 13, 2012 5:35 PM MST up reply actions  

Resigining our RFA's will help bump us up off the floor

Duchene and O’Reilly will be getting pretty big raises. I’d be pretty happy with 5+ years for both those guys. Of course, if Hejduk retires and Jones leaves with nothing coming back, those will be some pretty big subtractions.

by pat2717 on Feb 13, 2012 5:54 PM MST up reply actions  

Is everyone sold on Duke retiring this season? At 36 I think he has at least another year, if not 2. Sure the score sheet says he’s not what he once was, but he’s not slowing down his teammates. (Mentioned on AD’s latest podcast with Jibs and Dario, great listen).

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by Avalanche318 on Feb 13, 2012 6:53 PM MST up reply actions  

Yeah, I think he’ll play another year. If he wants to come back we’re sure as hell not going to stop him.

by stpn47 on Feb 13, 2012 8:57 PM MST up reply actions  

If he looks like he has this year (outside of a burst here or there) I think it may be time. He just hasn’t been good…especially since the C was put on his sweater

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by chiavsfan on Feb 14, 2012 6:11 AM MST up reply actions  

Off topic.

My best friend gave me an early birthday present… a Nords Sakic jersey. A-MAZE-ING!

Go Avs.
Go Blues.

by Tony Trujillo on Feb 13, 2012 2:48 PM MST reply actions  

I have one of thems! classy eh

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by SteveHouse on Feb 13, 2012 2:56 PM MST up reply actions  

I got a great deal on one through ebay, but it was way too big on me and gave it to my dad. I secretly mourn that decision.

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by MalachiConstant on Feb 13, 2012 3:29 PM MST up reply actions  

Eat and drink until it fits!

OK Shermie, time to be the shepherd

by Busted Twigg on Feb 13, 2012 4:47 PM MST up reply actions  

It fit like a dress…. and my dad really liked it. I DON"T KNOW WHAT CAME OVER ME!

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by MalachiConstant on Feb 13, 2012 6:08 PM MST up reply actions  

I would love a Sakic Nords jersey, or a Foppa……I have a Foote Nords.

Datsyuk may have done it first, but he learned it from Peter Forsberg.

Thanks for everything Foppa!
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by Americanario on Feb 13, 2012 7:36 PM MST up reply actions  

Best present I've had in years.

I’ve never been able to afford a REAL jersey let alone a Nords Sakic with the captains C. So fucking happy.

Go Avs.
Go Blues.

by Tony Trujillo on Feb 13, 2012 8:55 PM MST up reply actions  

That is super awesome man. ’Grats on the jersey and the keeper.

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by MalachiConstant on Feb 14, 2012 7:43 AM MST up reply actions  

I DON"T KNOW WHAT CAME OVER ME!

he traded you a bottle of scotch for it

by chetmanley on Feb 13, 2012 10:30 PM MST up reply actions  

Yeah, an Aberlour 12. The evidence of that has now mysteriously disappeared though.

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by MalachiConstant on Feb 14, 2012 7:42 AM MST up reply actions  

shoulda held out for a case

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by Hopfenkopf on Feb 14, 2012 4:39 PM MST up reply actions  

Any Avs fan would love to see Parise sign here as a FA, but I see it as a long long shot at best.

Can anyone make a rational and believable argument why ZP would sign with Colorado rather then the other 20 teams that will be looking at him? What do we have to offer that is special or unique that would make a difference?

*Oh, and I’ll save you the trouble and shoot down the, “because we have the cap room!” point before you post it. Every other team does too, or could if they felt like it. That’s a condition, not a reason. Big difference.

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by earl06 on Feb 13, 2012 2:59 PM MST reply actions  

1. to leave New Jersey
2. attractive snow-bunnies joining his fan club
3. Mike’s joyful personality and the opportunity to participate in the annual sandwich punch charity event (it’s for the kids man!)

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by pra4snow on Feb 13, 2012 3:06 PM MST up reply actions  

Can anyone make a rational and believable argument why ZP would sign with Colorado rather than every other team in the league that will be looking at him? What do we have to offer that is special or unique that would make a difference?

Fixed.

by stpn47 on Feb 13, 2012 3:20 PM MST up reply actions  

I’m surprised you’re asking that. The Avs’ are a young, talented team that has only upwards to go. If Sherm and Enos are willing to throw the money they’d need to at Parise, then it will be clear they are serious about being a contender. This team is in the playoff hunt with their top forward out (and underperforming before he went down) and top scorers who aren’t playing like top scorers. The Avalanche is a team that, with the right pieces, can realistically become a power house team. I’m sure ZP sees that.

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by Cheryl Bradley on Feb 13, 2012 3:22 PM MST up reply actions  

Good points. Let’s say the Avs give ZP an offer that’s not the best, but near the top. Do these things make playing in Colorado attractive enough to tip the scales in our favor? I think they should but I’m a little biased.

The problem I see, is some idiot GM serving up a huge salary over a long contract period that the Avs management will not match. ZP’s obviously seen how negatively that can affect a team firsthand, but would he take the money or the chance to lead a young talented team? I have no insight into his character or personality so I really couldn’t guess.

"He who fucks nuns will later join the church." -The Clash

by earl06 on Feb 13, 2012 3:41 PM MST up reply actions  

When I’m in doubt of insight (which is almost always because I’m not Greg Sherman), I tend to assume that players would take whoever offers the big bucks. But the Avs aren’t the only potential powerhouse in the league with cap room, so unless a player genuinely cares about location (or teammates? or the team itself?) then it’s probably going to be about the money

Meow-valanche. Prrr-valanche.

by Sean Harsha on Feb 13, 2012 3:54 PM MST up reply actions  

But the Avs can do it all. Not only can Parise get the big money here, but he can feel secure that he’s not hamstringing the franchise while at the same time joining a rising group of talent.

Parise can see himself playing next to Duchene, O’Reilly, Landeskog, Stastny and Johnson until he reaches that magic age of 35, or even longer.
That sounds a little more secure than going to a team about to lose their perennial Norris candidate to retirement. That sounds better than hitching your wagon long-term to a team whose top forwards are already 31 and 33 and have both shown declining performance.

Big money? Long term? Young core? Need for a LW? It’s such a perfect scenario that I almost want to think it was planned.

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by Dixomatic on Feb 13, 2012 3:57 PM MST up reply actions  

The Avs def have the ability to throw the money at him. Of course, the question remains, “Will they?” I think they will, at least a competitive amount. I also think Parise will look at the overall package and choose a place that fits rather than just the big money. Look at guys like Bryz and Kovalchuk and even Vokoun. Going for the money doesn’t always pan out. (Vokoun = going for big money, not getting it, having to settle for a fraction of what you want to be with a team you want.)

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The Hockey Writers - Avalanche Correspondent

by Cheryl Bradley on Feb 13, 2012 4:01 PM MST up reply actions  

If your post and Dix’s are the kind of thinking that goes into his decision, I’d say we have a good shot. I hope it is.

"He who fucks nuns will later join the church." -The Clash

by earl06 on Feb 13, 2012 4:14 PM MST up reply actions  

My fingers crossed that the Avs think that way. But to play devil’s advocate once again: Sure-fire playoff team + cap space = short term opportunity to win the Cup. It depends on the particular individual, but we’ve seen time and again instances where a player would take the chance to win soon, even on an aging team (for the Red Wings it seems to be aging players moving to the aging team…)

Meow-valanche. Prrr-valanche.

by Sean Harsha on Feb 13, 2012 5:49 PM MST up reply actions  

In ZP’s case, his hometown Wild are a bigger threat to the Avs not getting him, than a short term opportunity to win the cup, elsewhere.

...holy freaking f*ck, snakes!

by 7sky on Feb 13, 2012 6:28 PM MST up reply actions  

Fuck The Red Wings

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by Avalanche318 on Feb 13, 2012 6:57 PM MST up reply actions  

Indeed.

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by MalachiConstant on Feb 14, 2012 7:43 AM MST up reply actions  

If they’re going after ZP, maybe they’d go after weber too, that would be a selling point.

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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Feb 13, 2012 4:58 PM MST up reply actions  

to me

the rational argument is that 20 other teams won’t be looking at him. in a new CBA landscape, it’s going to be a rough year for UFAs, and the Avs may honestly be the best option available.

not to mention they’re a young team trending up, looking for a final piece. it’s far from a sure thing, but i wouldn’t consider us longshots either.

by thedoctor on Feb 13, 2012 3:59 PM MST up reply actions  

I don’t think as a destination, we’re longshots. The longshot is whether the owners ante up.

...holy freaking f*ck, snakes!

by 7sky on Feb 13, 2012 5:37 PM MST up reply actions  

This

I don’t care what Master Plan’s are hiding in the depths of Sherman’s Lagoon when we have Parise on the table

Meow-valanche. Prrr-valanche.

by Sean Harsha on Feb 13, 2012 5:53 PM MST up reply actions  

Agree it's not likely, but

There are a number of arguments we could make. He would fit perfectly with our style. He would know the core is young and likely to stay intact for a number of years. In other words, we wouldn’t have to subtract anything to add him. He’s played with Stastny for team USA, so he should be able to appreciate having a playmaking center. If he likes the idea of playing in the west, I think we’ll have a decent shot. Downsides are that Colorado is no longer a Marquee name, Ownership hasn’t demonstrated a lot of commitment in the recent past, the Avs rebuild isn’t quite ripe enough to make us an obvious Stanley Cup threat. Add it all up and I think our chances aren’t great, but maybe 10%.

by pat2717 on Feb 13, 2012 6:08 PM MST up reply actions  

I did

And Lambert is absolutely correct, and Dale Hunter is an idiot

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by Jibblescribbits on Feb 13, 2012 11:03 PM MST up reply actions  

I agree, 100%.

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by ProfessorOak on Feb 13, 2012 11:19 PM MST up reply actions  

and then there’s this from PD:

What a year it’s been for rookies. So many good ones, yet we may not see a 50-point forward, a 15-win goaltender, or a 25-point defenseman!
The last time something like this happened, the Calder went to blueliner Barret Jackman for his 19 points and plus-23. So if you look at the plus/minus category, then it would seem that Gabriel Landeskog could walk away the winner here. He’ll likely finish the season with 40 or 45 points and a plus-20 rating.

...holy freaking f*ck, snakes!

by 7sky on Feb 14, 2012 1:34 AM MST up reply actions  

Saw that. I hope Landy get it!

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by andidee15 on Feb 14, 2012 11:37 AM MST up reply actions  

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