The Trades: A Year Later
The date was February 18, 2011. The Avs had dropped off the face of the earth, busily tanking to the bottom of the league. Four days earlier, they had just suffered their worst defeat in team history, allowing 9 goals between two goalies. Clearly, it was time for a change. By mid-morning, Sherman had pulled a trigger on a trade that no one was surprised to see. The struggling Craig Anderson was shipped off to Ottawa in return for the equally down-on-his-luck Brian Elliott. And by mid-afternoon, the Post had already run a number of stories on the move, complete with Andy's now-former teammates opinions of the trade. None of them were really surprised by it. In fact, in one of these articles, Avs right winger Chris Stewart said, "When you lose this many in a row, there are going to be changes. It's part of the business."
He had no idea how right he was. By 2AM the next morning, it was official: The Avalanche had shipped out Stewart, rookie defenseman Kevin Shattenkirk, and a conditional 2nd round pick in exchange for defenseman Erik Johnson, defensive-minded center Jay McClement and a conditional 1st rounder.
Unlike the Anderson trade, this one shocked the hockey world. Any trade that involves a first round pick is at least somewhat exciting news, but this trade featured 4 (Johnson, Stewart, Shattenkirk and the pick), plus 2 second-rounders (McClement and the other pick). On top of that, it was only the 5th time since 1995 that a first overall pick had been traded. All but one of the players from the trade were extremely young as well - McClement was the only one that had been drafted before the lockout. It was a risky trade, a trade based on potential. Both teams were interested in building for the future and weren't afraid to make a bold move to do so.
Initially, it seemed as if the Avs had lost both trades. However, a lot has happened in the past year. After the jump, I'll take a look at where each of the players are now and if perceptions on the trades has changed at all over the last 12 months.
The Ex-Avs
Craig Anderson is doing just fine in Ottawa. He's the clear #1 goalie for them, and is 27-19-6 with 2 shutouts in 54 games. His save percentage, which was a detestable .897 with the Avs prior to the trade, has returned to its normal .910. The Senators, who finished 26th in the league last year, are currently sitting in 12th and the 7th Eastern Conference playoff spot. Andy is doing fine for himself as well - he signed a 4-year $12.75 million contract last summer that takes him through the 2014-15 season. The trade seems to have worked out rather well for the Sens - they got the starting goaltender they desperately needed.
The Blues also seem to happy with the way Kevin Shattenkirk has been playing. He has 26 points in 57 games (including 7 goals) and is a +24. He's been instrumental on the power play as well - he averages almost 3 minutes of PP TOI a night and has 3 PP goals. Shattenkirk is also second on the team in Average TOI, clocking in at 21:15 a game. He's a big part of their blueline and will be for years to come.
However, his teammate Chris Stewart seems to be in a bit of a bind. When he first joined the team, he was lighting it up, scoring 15 goals in his first 26 games with the Blues to close out the '10-'11 season. But this year, over 55 games, he's only managed to post 11. His PIM numbers are also up even though he's only been in 3 fights, the same number he had last year. However, he's only won one of those fight this year and has also managed to incur a 3 game Shanaban for an illegal hit from behind. His shooting percentage has tanked into the single digits (8.7%) and there is plenty of trade talk swirling around him once again. Obviously, his tenancy to disappear for games at a time isn't sitting too well with new head coach Ken Hitchcock.
Ty Rattie, the player that St. Louis chose with the Avs #32 overall pick, is having a pretty darn good year in the WHL. In 54 games, he has 45G/47A/92P for the Portland Winterhawks, good for 2nd in the league in scoring. The 6'-0" 167lb right winger was originally ranked 17th by the ISS, but fell into the second round probably due to concerns over his physical strength. He could easily turn out to be a very good player in a few years, but he has a lot of filling out to do before he'll see any NHL icetime.
The Avs
We'll start with the Av that is an Av no longer. Brian Elliott was not retained when he went RFA this summer and ended up following Stewart and Shattenkirk to the Blues instead. However, he left a major mark on our franchise in the short 12 games he played for us - his 3.83 GAA, .891 Sv% and 2-8-1 record was terrible enough for us to draft #2 overall. He may now be an All-Star in St. Louis (who would have guessed?), but we have a bright and shiny Swedish rookie to show for his time here. It certainly would have been nice if he had played well when he had a big burgundy A on his chest, but I can't complain too much about the side effects of his tanking.
On the other hand, Erik Johnson is doing quite well for the Avs right now. He had a rocky start to the season, going -14 in his first 23 games. During that time, his name was mentioned a lot in the ongoing captain debate and he struggled to find chemistry with his defensive partner. However, by late November, Milan Hejduk was wearing the C and the defensive pairings had been changed. In his 30 games since that mark, EJ has quietly became a force on the blueline. He went back to basics and began to concentrate on his defensive responsibilities instead of trying to do everything at once. As a result, he's +9 since the beginning of December. The bad turnovers have practically disappeared, and his play with the puck has gotten much sharper and simpler. He's also started making incredible stops around his net, bailing out his teammates left and right. Now that his defensive game has been solidified, it seems as if the offense is beginning to return as well. He's currently on a 3-game goal streak (not just point streak) and has done so without sacrificing any of his defensive responsibilities. He's becoming the franchise defenseman we were promised. If he can continue to play like he has been, he'll likely establish himself as one of the elite defenseman in the league.
Jay McClement seems to be finding his groove as well. During the final 26 games he played with us last season, he just didn't seem to fit on our team. We already had a defensive center in O'Reilly and McClement just seemed redundant. However, O'Reilly seems to have turned a corner and become a true Top 6 player this year, and Duchene switched from center to wing early in the season. Both of these moves opened up the 3rd line center role for McClement. He's fit there extremely well and even has 7 goals this year to show for it. However, his presence has really been felt on our penalty kill. Last year, the PK was effective only 76.1% of the time, good for dead last in the league. But this year, that number has jumped to 82.2%, 14th in the league. The improved blueline probably has something to do with the change, but the pairing of McClement and Winnik on the first unit is one of the biggest reasons for the turnaround. And perhaps most importantly, the emergence of Ryan O'Reilly may never have happened if it we didn't have Jay McClement to take over his defensive role. Overall, McClement has quietly played a major role on the team this year.
The future looks bright for Duncan Siemens as well. The 18-year-old was the result of the #11 overall pick that the Avs acquired in the trade. The 6'-3" 200lb defensive defenseman is currently sidelined with a concussion, but prior to that, he was serving as the Captain of the Saskatoon Blades of the WHL and was +11 through 51 games. He also happened to be the long-time partner of 2009 Avalanche draftee Stefan Elliott, and was one of the major reasons why Elliott (the 2011 WHL Defenseman of the Year) was able to rack up 201 points and a +123 rating when they skated together. Siemens is still very raw, but has a nasty mean streak and plenty of potential. It will be a few years before he's able to crack our roster, but he projects as a #2 defensive defenseman and possibly EJ's long-term partner on the top pair.
Analysis of the Trades
At the one year mark, it's still pretty clear we lost the Anderson trade. Ottawa got a #1 goalie while we didn't even retain ours for a full season. However, the trade had a clear impact on our draft position last year. Andy's hotstreak at the end of the year moved Ottawa up in the standings while Elliott's Tank run helped cement our #2 draft status. The trade may not have worked out as we had hoped, but I for one am more than fine with Gabriel Landeskog as a consolation prize.
The winner of the Blockbuster trade is a bit murkier at the moment. Even though it was pretty clear St. Louis won in the short term, that perception has started to swing back into Colorado's favor. Stewart has not preformed like expected while both EJ and McClement have. The final verdict may rest with the success or failure of Rattie and Siemens, but as of right now, it's looking to be a very good move from the Avs' standpoint.
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The trades were right and at the right time…and outside of maybe keeping Shattenkirk (more on that in a bit), I don’t see any reason that the Avs should have changed anything
Anderson is hot (sometimes very) and cold (sometimes very), really no Different than Varlamov this year…but has helped a rebuilding team hold a playoff spot for the time being
Stewart just doesn’t look like pre broken-hand Stewart, and may never look that way again
Shattenkirk is a good hockey player, BUT the Avs have a few of those now, and a couple in waiting.
Elliott…sorry but if anyone predicted this, I want their number so I can get some winning lottery numbers.
EJ has looked good and bad but is getting better and looking more consistent.
Silent Jay is what Silent Jay is…
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the Elliott thing, I said that he had no chance on the Avs – let’s be honest even Roy would have had shite numbers on the Avs last year.
It's all about Winnik
by Sandie Gauthier on Feb 20, 2012 9:10 AM MST up reply actions
For now these trades seem like treading water to me. Anderson seemed to have run his course with the franchise, so I’m not sure the team was too worried about what they got in return. Obviously Elliott has some talent, he just failed to show that while with the Avs. Frustrating that Andy and Elliott are both having success this year, while Varly has been so inconsistent.
As far as the “Big One” the Avs gave up a helluva player in Shattenkirk IMO. Stewart underachieving this year is the only reason this trade hasn’t been a landslide in the Blues favor. Especially with Rattie tearing it up in juniors. Johnson seems to be the exact same player he was in St. Louis. Frustratingly and tantalizingly close to being a dominant number 1 D-man, but in reality nothing more than a top 4 guy. His recent surge gives hope, and if he does turn into that cornerstone number 1, I may warm up more to the trade being in the Avs favor. Last year the Avs seemed to have a young core of forwards ready to break through, and a thin defense. Now we have a load of young D we are hoping will break through, and need to address a lack of offensive punch in the forwards. Bold trade, respect going for it, but for now the trade was treading water. Ask me again when EJ and Siemens are hoisting the cup in 2015 though.
Sports don't build character, they reveal it
I’m also curious.
If you were a Blues fan would you do this trade, and how confident would you be pulling the trigger as a Blues fan. I’d pull the trigger for sure. 95% Confident.
Based on the season each player is having right now.
Shattenkirk > Johnson (both have very high ceilings, but would expect Johnson’s to be a little higher)
McClement = Stewart (Stewart has a much higher ceiling)
Rattie > Siemens (Up in the air whose ceiling is higher, but hopefully the Avs got this one right)
Sports don't build character, they reveal it
Those ratings are based on the seasons they are having this year. Obviously my evaluation is just that, my evaluation… but Rattie is having an awesome season in juniors this year. Siemens hasn’t been bad, but hasn’t been stellar either.
Sports don't build character, they reveal it
And I haven’t watched either play, just stats, and what articles I have read….
Sports don't build character, they reveal it
I really think it boils down to what the clubs wanted. The Avs wanted defense and ended up with 2 defenseman and an defensive forward out of the trade. St. Louis wanted offense and ended up with 2 scoring forwards and an offensive defenseman.
It’s been pretty well documented that defense takes longer to develop than forwards, so I’m still in the “let’s be patient and see” state. Comparing the individual parts of this trade is a bit like comparing apples to oranges due to their position and development curve. I still think the Avs could come out of this ahead now that Stewart wet the bed.
Just a Colorado girl in Montana who ♥s the Avs and writes for Mile High Hockey.
Stewart’s a little old to be wetting the bed huh… I’m glad most have more optimism on this trade than I do, maybe I’m off. Perhaps I’m just bitter because Shattenkirk and Stewie (despite late night loss of bladder control) were two of my favorite players on the team.
Sports don't build character, they reveal it
go look up Mark Parrish
Languishing for Landeskog
by zandar on Feb 20, 2012 10:28 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah I have got to say it’s hard to even compare the two.. Siemens could be in the lineup next year or at some point during the year which is probably more likely. Rattie @ 167lbs will probably take a couple years to be in the lineup.
Comparing the two even when their both in the lineup will be extremely difficult. Especially since D take longer to develop fully. So it may take 3-4 more years to even start to compare the two. We needed D at the time way more that offense.
We have it now and for the future. We also have Forwards now and for the future with Landeskog, O’Reilly, Duchene, and yes.. even Mueller.. (Give the kid a full off-season of conditioning and I think his career will be back on track.) We need to fill our holes on the wings but we are going into a possible perfect storm of a UFA winger class. If we pick up one of Parise or Semin a Major hole could be filled as well in a star winger. (I’m not even going to talk about Suter but it’s in the back of my mind)
I also think that which one of those guys we get (if we do) and how well either of them are able to form chemistry with Duchene or Stastny will tell us who our No.1 center will be going forward.
We could see this team formed as soon as this off season or in 1-3 years but we have a good chance at capping off this rebuild in 2 or less with virtually zero holes and only some replacement decisions in complimentary pieces to make.
So far this team is a young enigma every night but everyone around the league sees us coming over the horizon. I think it’s easier for them because they don’t watch every struggle the team goes through like most of us fans but it’s a bright future with the skill and character we have on this team.
I concur. It was a nice read.
by quietstorm560 on Feb 20, 2012 5:31 PM MST via iPhone app up reply actions
As high as Barriot’s ceilings are there is a chance that they never reach the same levels of composure and instinct as Shattenkirk on the NHL level. I’m not saying they won’t be, but we’ve seen time and time again how this is a possibility for any young developing defenders. And if Rattie hypothetically becomes a stud and Siemens does not then the Blues would arguably inch us out. (I’m not big on analyzing these kinds of scenarios, but I tried to see how I might think if I was an optimistic Blues fan)
Meow-valanche. Prrr-valanche.
The Blues response:
Trade? Not sure how that went because we’re too busy being five points off the President’s Cup. Glad you’re interested to see how our fourth liner and second-pairing defensemen are doing, though. Oh, and thanks for the free goalie.
4th biggest pessimist of MHH.
"There's always next season." -- Jimmy Howard on not winning the Calder Trophy.
Check your meter. He’s not actually a Blues fan.
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The President’s Trophy you mean….the only Cup “trophy” in hockey is owned by Lord Stanley.
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Don’t they play golf for the President’s Cup? Or is it Tennis…someone has one
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President's Cup

The reason I'm in town, in case you're wondering, is because of a Kansas City Shuffle.
Obama always presents a jock strap to the team that has the best record in the NHL… you didn’t know that?
Sports don't build character, they reveal it
I thought that’s what he sent Tim Thomas when he refused to eat dinner with him.
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Is it that Tim Thomas is a Lib hater or.. Is he just a American government hater? Don’t remember seeing a clarification on that but I will admit I did not read a lot of the articles on it. I probably would not shake that guys hand either..
But that is me..
I think the whole thing was blown way out of proportion. Thomas is not a fan of backstabbing politicians in general. He doesn’t like the way the government is ran so he opted to remove himself from that situation.
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Well I guess there is THAT third explanation which is somewhat close to the American government thing but not completely the same thing. (Very close though)
He never said he hated the government…he doesn’t like the people who run it. There’s a difference.
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I noted the difference.. but the words “back stabbing politician” and “American government” are very close in meaning right now. Just saying haha
As an employee I can neither confirm or deny my agreement on the subject matter. I will say I haven’t voted in some time as I’m a firm believer that the system is corrupt and those with the deepest pockets get what they want.
However, I love my country and I’ve been serving her proudly for over 9 years now. I don’t care about the people who run it, they come and go, the nation will stay.
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As a former employee (Out of the Army as of Sept.) of 10 years I can now confirm my opinion and I agree with your unconfirmed opinion. =)
I’m really glad to be leaving here and moving onto a new base, it’s really sad how a few schmucks with their own vendetta can really ruin a unit.
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I left after 10 years, Ive seen stuff like that and other things. There is plenty going on in general I don’t agree with.
He clarified that he felt both parties were to blame. Which I wholeheartedly agree with. Both elephant and ass are to blame.
by quietstorm560 on Feb 20, 2012 5:33 PM MST via iPhone app up reply actions
That number 18 looks like quite the Predator going after that puck. Rawrrr
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It's a premonition!!!
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coincidentally, Yip’s only two points this year came against the NW (the Mild)
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Feb 20, 2012 8:49 AM MST up reply actions
The Mildew. I mean the Mild… Ew
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by Cotts on Feb 20, 2012 8:56 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
would be funnier if it didn’t apply to the Avs as well
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Feb 20, 2012 9:01 AM MST up reply actions
Nooo kidding..although a brief search found this:
http://www.hockeywilderness.com/2012/1/24/2728944/minnesota-wild-colorado-avalanche-game-49
A gem from BRey:
The Avalanche are one of the most boring teams in hockey. No, the irony of someone who covers the Wild calling a team boring is not lost. The Avs have writers and fans that love to rail on and on about how boring the Wild are when they come to town. They fail to realize there is another team involved in those contests. For the love of everything good and kind, their fans were excited when they signed Chick Kobasew. Yawn.
I for one was not excited when they signed Kobasew.
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by Randy Time on Feb 20, 2012 9:03 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
none of us were
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Feb 20, 2012 9:05 AM MST up reply actions
I am man enough to admit that this team has become boring to watch (dump and chase on the power play can do that). Excited about Kobasew being signed? No freakin way.
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Nope
At exactly what point do you start to realize that life without knowledge is death in disguise?
by SteveHouse on Feb 20, 2012 9:18 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
Oh cmon.. only one response to that?
You guys must have forgot that dead things live in that state. Liking a skating human meat head has to come from there…
LOL, should have seen me when he was signed. I was at the cottage and got a text, I believe from Bubs telling me about it. It was Canada Day so we were having a BBQ on the lake, we usually have 50+ people over for it. That was no exception. They saw me read the phone, look crushed and run to the beer fridge. Yeah, our beer fridge is a full size refrigerator- just with no ice.
It's all about Winnik
by Sandie Gauthier on Feb 20, 2012 9:09 AM MST up reply actions
I think I would go to that party just to meet your fridge.. That is the way to do it. It’s tradition to put your old fridge in the garage and stock it with beer. haha Those half size ones are for.. well not enough beer..
Actually – we stick on the loveshak’s porch. Hahaha.
It's all about Winnik
by Sandie Gauthier on Feb 20, 2012 9:13 AM MST up reply actions
Vacation house on the lake?
It's all about Winnik
by Sandie Gauthier on Feb 20, 2012 10:58 AM MST up reply actions
For more than a decade the Avs were the most exciting team in the NHL
Sports don't build character, they reveal it
The Wild made the playoffs once though!
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Because it hurt like hell
It's all about Winnik
by Sandie Gauthier on Feb 20, 2012 9:14 AM MST up reply actions
Word of the day: Ambivalent
1. Simultaneous and contradictory attitudes or feelings toward an object or person
2. What Nemesis thought of the Kobasew signing.
"Wisdom requires a flexible mind" - Dan Carlin
Who the hell is this Kobasew guy you’re all talking about….?
Sports don't build character, they reveal it
The Kobasew signing really isn’t “bad” per se. What was bad about it is that at the time he was being looked at with a “top 6 winger on a budget” mentality by Sherman.
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Indeed.
Pay peanuts, get monkeys
(although I have no beef with Subasew, whatsoever)
"Wisdom requires a flexible mind" - Dan Carlin
Kobasew or this monkey?

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By the way, that is an awesome pic. Why are there no yellow uniforms in the NHL like that?
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by andidee15 on Feb 20, 2012 9:37 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
flagged
For Kris Draper pictorial reference.
We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.
by Bob in Boulder on Feb 20, 2012 12:54 PM MST up reply actions
*giggles*
Fuck Draper, and Fuck the Wings.
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Indeed. Too bad they still have a good to great team. Pisses me off.
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by Bob in Boulder on Feb 20, 2012 12:57 PM MST up reply actions
Your one and only warning, sir.
Simian Anti-Defamation Council’s High Inquisitor for Mean People.
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If it is not bad then… I would say it qualifies as poor. A step down but still worthless none the less and we are stuck with him for how much longer?
I could only hope that someone is dumb enough to take him off waivers. (Like I said worse things could have happened though)
Kobasew is just fine on the bottom 6 where he belongs. If anyone is waiver fodder soon it’ll be Porter methinks. Or McLeod.
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It’s really not like the Avs need cap relief though. Is Koba a better option on the bottom 3 than McLeod or Porter?
Yes.
IMO, McLeod hurts the team more by his weak one dimensional play than a slightly overpaid Kobasew does.
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Yeah but think about it actually.. The current 3rd line becomes a 4th line with Duchene + Mueller in the lineup and another forward… Galiardi, trade.. whatever.
Winnik – McClement – Jones
As your third line.
Kobasew – Gali – VDG
Was a 4th line if I recall..
That’s a bottom 6 I wouldn’t mind having.
Also, if required, Olver can be sent down.
I think if Mueller gets healthy soon Olver could be sent back down. However
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That is what I am saying I would rather put Kobasew on waivers than send Olver down.
1.2M can be two entry level contracts. IF we do spend to the cap things like that can matter in the end.
Kobasew is so effective as a 4th liner right now and his cap hit isn’t killing the team, and it’s only there for 1 more season, so I’’m not worried about it and it’s not exactly damning on Kobasew’s part.
I’d like to see what Olver could do (although not at the expense of Mueller being out too long).
We’ll see. Olver may just be pulling a Mauldin and having a great call up to start and then falling off. I’d like for him to succeed though.
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Olver has played the same way fairly consistently though when called up. If avoids taller peoples elbows I think he will be fine. Hes has the drive and the vision. Mauldin was all drive and grit..
Olver has been solid, in small sample sizes. If he can play through a season and be consistent, then we’re talkin.
We’ll see how he does in the next several games and if it warrants him staying up or not. If it helps the Avs win, then I’m all for it.
Say Duke retires after the season (he very well could) and Olver has earned his spot, well, then you’re looking at a top 6 like this for next season:
Dutchy – Stastny – Mueller
Landeskog -O’Reilly – Olver
Is that one you think you could remain confident in going forward?
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I honestly don’t see Duchene at wing long term. I don’t agree with turning a guy that likes the puck on his stick and a franchise center into a winger.
Yes it’s hard to Put O’Rielly 3rd as a Center he is 3rd when it comes to an offensive mind.
I think we will add UFA’s to this roster in the off season.
Top 9 -
UFA – Stastny – Hejduk/Jones/Hishon
UFA – Duchene – Mueller
Landeksog – O’Reilly – Olver
??? – McC – Winnik
Galiardi could be that question or he could slot in somewhere else. But you can see how even adding two wingers to the roster between now and next year could mean no space for someone like Kobasew really fast. I don’t see him in the top 9 and I don’t see him being cheap enough or effective enough to warrant his salary on a 4th line over other options.
I would have a hard time putting O’Reilly back on the third especially since he’s played like he’s earned the spot he’s in. However, the bigger issue I have is Landeskog on the third. I’ve gotten into this before with people. You do NOT draft a player 2nd overall just to play him on the third line when he fills a need in your top 6.
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To round out your lines..
Landy – Stastny – Player X
FA -Duchene – Mueller
Gali – Radar – Jones/Olver
Kobasew – McC – Winnik
Talented wings is the primary concern here and realistically, that’s a line combinations I could be really thriled with.
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I really can't follow the line of logic
that says, despite the manifold defensive responsibilities of the Center position, most of which Duchene has shown himself not to be equal to, in stark contrast to both SoS and Radar, that Dutchy must play Center or he’s somehow being wasted.
I just don’t understand it.
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I’ll admit, I was a little dubious of the idea at first, but I’m now 100% sold as Dutchy as a winger. It frees him defensively and gives him more ice to skate in. He can fill in as a center if injuries happen, but I really like him as a wing moving forward.
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Very true..
One of the things I posted somewhere else. Talks about Landeskog being an insurance policy for Mueller.
You sign Mueller to a 3 year contract.. Then if Mueller is still consistent by the time Landeskog’s contract comes up you decide if Landeskog is ready to take Mueller’s spot and trade Muells with a year left @ a fairly good cap hit. Or Mueller is injured and irrelevant and Landeskog is already playing in his place.
I’d have an issue getting rid of Mueller if he’s healthy, because he is young, and he is filling a need. I don’t think he needs to be traded if Landy is playing well…
Really there’s a top 6 to worry about and unfortunately there’s plenty of room for the both of them to flourish.
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I’d drop Hejduk before Mueller
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by ProfessorOak on Feb 20, 2012 10:24 AM MST up reply actions
and for the record, I’d never drop Mueller
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by ProfessorOak on Feb 20, 2012 10:25 AM MST up reply actions
Yeah, because if you dropped him, he’d probably hit the floor and get another concussion.
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Jones and Hejduk could easily be back..
What I would like to see is..
Parise – Stastny – Hejduk/Jones
Hejduk/Jones/UFA – Duchene – Meuller
Landeskog – O’Reilly – Galiardi/Olver
Galiardi/Olver – McC – Winnik
Me too.. I honestly think we need to have a sick top 9 splitting time and giving the coach options for match ups. All the best teams are 3 dangerous lines deep. Van has Hodgson on their 3rd line.. If we want to compete with that. Yeah we need a bad ass 3rd line as well.
IF he’s not an injury still himself.
by the cool breeze on Feb 20, 2012 10:30 AM MST up reply actions
That is the glass half empty approach yeah. But he is young so I am inclined to take the glass half full still.
I think he will recover too and he actually could be an important guy for us. He could say play with Radar and Landy and possibly make that line really good.
by the cool breeze on Feb 20, 2012 10:32 AM MST up reply actions
Not that I disagree with having a bad ass 3rd line, it’s that Landeskog deserves top 6, not 3rd line duties. Jones isn’t really playing like top 6 material at all (last season looks flukey), Duke could retire..so yeah…
Gali – O’Reilly -Olver
That’s better suited IMO and leaves Landy up where he belongs.
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Yeah that could work
Parise – Stastny – Landeskog would be sick. If Hejduk returns for another year (which I actually think he will if he hit’s 20 again this year.)
Hejduk – Duchene – Mueller
I see Hishon as a good replacement for Hejduk. Still better options in the long run for that spot on the 4th line..
I hear what you are saying about Landy and the lines but I think it might not matter too much what each line is technically called. Meaning, if the so called 3rd line plays just as many minutes as the 1st line it doesn’t matter much. The thing you guys are missing is we still have to have a bone crusher in the line-up at times.
by the cool breeze on Feb 20, 2012 10:34 AM MST up reply actions
I like him personally just b/c he’s tough and will drop em with anybody. That said, a guy who could play a little and do that would be better. No who’s out there as an UFA I like a lot, Jordan Tootoo.
by the cool breeze on Feb 20, 2012 10:37 AM MST up reply actions
I would jump all over that..
Depending on his price.. He could easily move up to a 3rd line role during injuries.
I get what you’re saying about the lines as well, and if Sacco is still the coach (not ripping him here), it gives him some options on who to play. Which I like. I’d really like to see this team go in the mold of Pitt (with better wingers) when it comes to the center mold. O’Reilly turning into a Jordan Staal? I could get behind that. I still wouldn’t be surprised to see Stastny dealt in the off season and going with Duchene, O’Reilly, McC as your top 3 centers.
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I would deal O’Reilly for Bobby Ryan before dealing Stastny. Just to see the US Olympic line together.
Not I. Not I at all. O’Reilly is core and plays with heart. This team severely lacks players who hate to lose. I wouldn’t trade O’Reilly at all for Bobby Ryan.
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Im with you but the problem is Stastny is not going to get you Perry.. Or anyone else that is just disgusting to put in the top 6 because of his contract.
I was thinking the same thing that we are like Pitt at center, very deep. Staal plays the 3rd when crosby is healthy but he alos gets PP time, etc. The thing with Staal though (I had this argument the other day) is that IMO he’s a 30 goal scorer and just an all around unreal 2-way player. He has 18 goals already and missed a bunch of time. The Avs need wings obviously and they need SIZE up front. We need a couple big wings who can play the gritty game and score. Neal, Ryan, Nash, etc. The game last night you saw that with Kane, he’s pretty big and uses his size to his advantage.
by the cool breeze on Feb 20, 2012 10:42 AM MST up reply actions
Mueller is actually pretty good sized.. Add say Kostitsyn.. Uses his size and hits as well as many believe to have an untapped offensive game.
Landeskog is big and nuff said.. O’Reilly plays way bigger than he is.. I think SKILL in the top 6 is more important than anything. Parise type.. Responsible but consistent scorer.
I’d consider selling my soul if it gave us a top line of
Parise – Stastny -Ryan
and the Avs still somehow got to keep O’Reilly, EJ, and Duchene.
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And Landy. Can’t forget Landy.
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I totally agree then. Count my soul in on that deal if we can make it happen.
{Drool…..}
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I’d consider selling my soul if it gave us a top line of
Parise – Stastny -Ryan
and the Avs still somehow got to keep O’Reilly, EJ, and Duchene.
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I could see it if we got Parise and were willing to trade for Ryan at the deadline of his contract year..
If I’m the Ducks, I keep Ryan, Perry, Getzlaf. They stay. The Ducks have a good thing going there with those guys.
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yeah, those guys aren’t going anywhere imo, esp. now since they are on fire (2 pts behind Avs and soon to pass us up).
by the cool breeze on Feb 20, 2012 10:53 AM MST up reply actions
I find early season trade speculations humorous. Coach BB deserves huge props for turning them around and getting them on the right track. I look forward to them playing against the Wings and then eliminating them in the playoffs.
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Oh agreed..
I just see the Avs falling out of the playoffs by a spot or two.
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They’ll pick it up soon. Whether it’s a last breath before they miss the playoffs or whether they sneak in. I can’t see this team falling off the face of the earth like they did last year
I hear that Matt Duchene guy is pretty good
by patrit19 on Feb 20, 2012 4:34 PM MST via iPhone app up reply actions
Mueller is okay size but he’s not a physical guy (esp. now). The thing with size and skill together is that it’s tough to stop. IMO we need more Landy’s, his physcial abilities make his skill in a way.
by the cool breeze on Feb 20, 2012 10:50 AM MST up reply actions
Staal is not a 30 goal scorer when playing 3rd line duties and seeing limited PP time. However, does he hit that if he’s in the top 6 for a season, I see it happening. I believe the potential is there for sure. As it stands now though, he’s not that on the 3rd line.
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I don’t know, he has 19 goals in 39 games right now. That was my whole point, IMO he’s A LOT better offensively than people think. Nice guy to have regardless.
by the cool breeze on Feb 20, 2012 10:52 AM MST up reply actions
He has those goals because Crosby has been injured and he’s been playing with significant more ice time than he would on the 3rd. I believe he’s better offensively than people think, but I don’t think he gets those numbers playing solely on the third line and 2nd PP unit.
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yeah, I agree but if he does play on top 2 lines he could score 30 easily. Pitts just loaded at center
by the cool breeze on Feb 20, 2012 10:55 AM MST up reply actions
I agree with you 100% (which scares me a little ;) ). However, I think I’d rather see the Avs target a player like JVR instead of one of the big names. He’s big, but he’s also got some skill to go with it.
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Just thought..
Ive thought the same thing about going after MPS.. Young but unproven powerforward.. Still very unlikely
I don’t know. JVR seems like just the type of guy that the Avs like to go after. Slightly under preforming, typically stuck on a lower line than he should be (I believe JVR is still a 3rd liner), very young, lots of potential….
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Flyers talk about the kid like he is playing on their 1st line though.. If that is any indication of managements feelings.. They want Thor for him..
Look at the Flyers roster
and tell me who he deserves to bump out of that Top 6. It isn’t that the Flyers are misusing him, it’s that he hasn’t been good enough to justify taking a spot of the guys ahead of him.
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 11:05 AM MST up reply actions
Then, please, let us take him and give him a shot in OUR top 6!
Will trade D (besides EJ) for JVR!
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too late, they just landed 2 d-men and they want JVR as Jagr/Briere not playing forever.
by the cool breeze on Feb 20, 2012 11:09 AM MST up reply actions
And look what they gave up
Bolster D corps, trade draft picks. Didn’t hurt their NHL roster one damn bit to make those moves. MUST BE NICE
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 11:10 AM MST up reply actions
JVR- the problem there is having to give away stuff to get him. The FA route is the only thing that makes sense to me for Avs unless they trade Stas for say Ryan/Nash type.
by the cool breeze on Feb 20, 2012 11:01 AM MST up reply actions
yeah, me too. I’ll tell you right now Suter is number one on that list, he’s the real deal. You pair him and EJ and you have a dynamic duo and a real top d pairing. He should be their number 1 target and then a wing.
by the cool breeze on Feb 20, 2012 11:05 AM MST up reply actions
Suter should be everyone's #1
Save for maybe NJ, heh. The guy makes Weber look so much better than he is.
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 11:06 AM MST up reply actions
that’s the problem b/c everybody does have him number 1. The goddam Red Wings (lidstrom retires likely) are a likely landing spot for him and they will go balls out for him.
by the cool breeze on Feb 20, 2012 11:07 AM MST up reply actions
ESPN I think it was talked about how Suter and Parise know each other well and could be looking to join the same team.
Then mentioned the Avs if I remember correctly. We would be one of the only teams that could accommodate both @ 7M long term.
Well, hell, let’s sign them both up!
I just don’t want the Avs to overpay them and get stuck with two $80 mil, 10-year contracts with a cap hit of 8mil a year. I’m all for bringing both of them in, I just don’t want it to hurt us in 5 years.
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If we win a Cup
I don’t give one god damn bit about the salary cap.
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 11:11 AM MST up reply actions
Good point, but I’m greedy. I want 2+ Cups and a dynasty, damnit!
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You realize how much salary space we have..? We could actually add Both of them.. and Semin if we get rid of Hejda..
It really is disgusting how much cap space we have even after signing Radar, Duchene, and EJ to raises.. As long as we don’t do something dumb like give Quincey a 4.5M deal we have sick.. SICK.. sick amount of cap space..
Hejda has been very, very good this year
Getting rid of him would be…unwise.
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 11:17 AM MST up reply actions
You really think that..?
Our penalty kill has not been that freaking good. It’s been good but.. 5-5 Hejda has not wowed anyone at any point during the year.
he doesn’t have to wow, all he has to do is shut down, and he has done a pretty good job at that.
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by ProfessorOak on Feb 20, 2012 11:21 AM MST up reply actions
Absolutely I believe that
You know he plays the the toughest competition night in and night out, right? Over 60% of the time he starts in the defensive zone and he’s been our best D on the PK and he receives the most minutes at ES and 4v5. The guy has been our workhorse and the Avs PK rank has climbed steadily throughout the year, peaking at 14th last week.
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 11:25 AM MST up reply actions
Uh it’s been said many times actually Quincey gets more minutes per game than Hejda.. I am thinking EJ does as well..
he said at ES and 4v5 aka on the PK.
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by ProfessorOak on Feb 20, 2012 11:28 AM MST up reply actions
Overall minutes
Because Hejda doesn’t play on the PP, whereas EJ and Quincey are the two leaders. Hejda leads the team in ES/PK TOI. Go look it up. Or trust in the fact that I have that window open in another tab right now.
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 11:28 AM MST up reply actions
You know what, he would be a perfect guy to trade b/c he’s a vet d-man teams covet for playoff runs and b/c the money freed up would let us go after more scoring (after we sign suter). There are so many UFA d-men, it’s the easiest spot to fill and if we get suter it would make him expendable IMO.
by the cool breeze on Feb 20, 2012 11:21 AM MST up reply actions
I’m just thinking that when we’re ready to go for the Cup, maintaining that Cap space might be nice. I just don’t want us to be the Blackhawks and go one and done. Yes, we have a ton now, but when we bring in rentals/vets/whatever, that could go away quickly.
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The Blackhawks have been competitive
even after selling off plenty of their players. If you offered me a Cup win plus selling a bunch of players and staying competitive, I would take that in a fucking heartbeat. There are a lot worse things than being the Chicago Blackhawks, especially because those cap troubles are now gone…and their core is still intact.
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 11:20 AM MST up reply actions
exactly, I don’t understand why people say that about Hawks. They got a lot of picks (they have a deep prospect list-one of best in NHL) when they traded guys away, they still have a great core, almost beat the nucks in playoffs last year. Plus, they are still great, They get goalie play and they could win cup this year.
by the cool breeze on Feb 20, 2012 11:25 AM MST up reply actions
We would not have to.. We could sign Suter, Parise, and Semin and all of our core for 5-8 years all of them and have this team for the next 10 years practically. That is what I am saying.
If we get 3 UFAs for around 18-19M it’s dones everyone is signed long term except maybe Mueller & Varly.. Landy is making 3.5 it’s nothing to add another million to that Muell would be making 3M..
you do realize this will never happen, the whole Suter, Parise and Semin, right?
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by ProfessorOak on Feb 20, 2012 11:27 AM MST up reply actions
Yes I do realize that..
Suter + Parise could happen.. As unlikely as it is.. I am saying it is Fiesable..
I’d say the most likely of those three to come here is Semin.
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by ProfessorOak on Feb 20, 2012 11:31 AM MST up reply actions
I agree
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 11:33 AM MST up reply actions
Or Mueller making 3M next year
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 11:30 AM MST up reply actions
Why not?
We will tempt him with a bit of a raise if he is mostly healthy but will not commit to him long term again. 3M for 2-3 years I think..
what has he done that merits a raise?
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by ProfessorOak on Feb 20, 2012 11:32 AM MST up reply actions
You don't miss an entire season
and then play maybe 30 games and get a raise and a longer deal. He doesn’t have any leverage. The Avs should offer him the exact same contract he has right now.
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 11:32 AM MST up reply actions
Is he restricted? Cause the exact same thing happened to flash last year and Florida paid the man.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Feb 20, 2012 3:25 PM MST up reply actions
yes he is an RFA
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by ProfessorOak on Feb 20, 2012 3:32 PM MST up reply actions
if Duke retires and Jones goes away that’s over 5M right there plus we don’t have Yip! (at 48,000 year)
by the cool breeze on Feb 20, 2012 11:19 AM MST up reply actions
fuck yeah, I would cream my pants. That, as long as we get goalie play makes us instant playoff team.
by the cool breeze on Feb 20, 2012 11:11 AM MST up reply actions
We're almost a playoff team as it is
Not quite there but you start adding those dudes and lol I imagine we’re a lot scarier than the St. Louis Blues and their extreme goaltending that won’t keep happening forever
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 11:13 AM MST up reply actions
I agree. We’re close, and we’re so freakin young that we’re going to be good for a LONG time. We have a solid core, one that could easily develop into a Stanley Cup worthy one. They just need good players around them to make it happen.
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You're so right about havine good players around them.
Not only to play with but learn from as well..
almost is the problem, getting our asses kicked in by Jets makes me think we tend to over estimate our talent level at times. A david backes type would be perfect for avs BTW
by the cool breeze on Feb 20, 2012 11:15 AM MST up reply actions
Almost, only 3 years after a complete house cleaning, is doing pretty darn good IMO.
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David Backes
would be perfect for every team in the NHL. He’s having a monster season, even if the traditional stats don’t always show it.
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 11:17 AM MST up reply actions
he’s another player who justifies my size, toughness argument. He’s a leader and does the intangibles that help you win. Radar type guy
by the cool breeze on Feb 20, 2012 11:18 AM MST up reply actions
He's fantastic
And one of the Blues only real untouchables, I imagine.
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 11:18 AM MST up reply actions
alos, I agree on weber comment but I would still take him!
by the cool breeze on Feb 20, 2012 11:08 AM MST up reply actions
well hell yeah
EJ and Weber can make each other look sexy as hell for all I care
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 11:11 AM MST up reply actions
I think they would both be happy with 7M front loaded long term since they are coming together to turn a team into a contender.. Go big a go home.
Besides
Those front loaded contracts are easier to move later on. A team that needs help getting to the floor won’t mind a $7M cap hit if they’re only paying the player $4M
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 11:14 AM MST up reply actions
This is quite possibly the longest line of squished over comments I’ve ever seen on this site. Maybe we should move this debate to the bottom where it can stretch out a bit?
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Rely on dat up button
aint no thang
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 11:33 AM MST up reply actions
I posted something at the bottom. I’m so confused by this! My poor brain can’t handle it, even with the up button!
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I have a hard time believing he wrote something ridiculous.
Maybe
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Feb 20, 2012 10:10 AM MST up reply actions
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oooph boy is a twig!
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by Cole D Hamilton on Feb 20, 2012 9:04 AM MST reply actions
another RNH situation, he’s gonna get broken in half.
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by ProfessorOak on Feb 20, 2012 10:19 AM MST up reply actions
My thoughts: too early to tell on the Blockbuster trade, it’s far too early to tell who the “winner” is. Any trade that involves so many youngsters is going to be hard to predict. The loss of Stewart never bothered me- sure he’s a good player, but he floats a lot. Shattenkirk hurts. But, Johnson can be a great defenseman. Not only that but with Elliott and Barrie coming up, the Avs had a ton of young d-men, and Shatty was the only “proven” one. He was what the Avs could sell high. I adore Jay McClement. He is a “role” player, sure, but he does it so well… and quietly. Plus, the Avs got Duncan out of the draft. All that being said, I’d do it again, even if the Avs aren’t considered the “winner” of this trade years down the line, it’s what the Avs needed. And they did it smartly.
As for the Andy trade? He wanted out. His behavior before and after the trade show this. I am not talking body language here- he left the road trip for a week, didn’t start a game and was gone. Afterwards he gave a healthy amount of bashing to both Denver and the Colorado fanbase. I honestly don’t think he meant to insult the fans – but his comments sure did. I still think management could have gotten more out of his.
It's all about Winnik
by Sandie Gauthier on Feb 20, 2012 9:05 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
Absolutely. As much bashing as Sherman gets, he executed this one very nicely.
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Yeah, he really did.
I mean, it was shocking at first to be hear the trades. But a day or two later – with a clear head- you could see why it happened.
It's all about Winnik
by Sandie Gauthier on Feb 20, 2012 9:12 AM MST up reply actions
No lie, when it happened I was shocked and a little bitter because I loved the pre broken hand Stewie and had high hopes for him. So of course the first thing I did was go to my room and look up E.J. and Silent Jay on my NHL game cus I had no clue who they were haha.
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Agreed
No trade happens in a vacuum and I think that Anderson was definitely not his normal self leading up to the trade.
I like the way things have panned out so far. Getting Landeskog in the draft was worth any amount of pain from last year.
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You summed up my thoughts on Andy pretty well
He clearly didn’t want to be here. I don’t care if he’s playing well in Ottawa, he didn’t WANT to play in Colorado, so it doesn’t matter what he’s doing with the Sens.
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by Andrew Martin on Feb 20, 2012 10:46 AM MST up reply actions
That trade was all about addition by subtraction.
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by andidee15 on Feb 20, 2012 10:48 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Totally
I totally get the frustration with seeing him do well, but honestly, I was disgusted with his behavior. I feel like it’s been awhile since we had a spoiled primadonna in Denver Sports. Like, a whole YEAR!
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by Andrew Martin on Feb 20, 2012 11:00 AM MST up reply actions
Yeah, in that time we got Tebow instead. Which I suppose is a bit of an upgrade over spoiled primadonna athletes. It’s something different at least.
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Well hell, look at the Rockies
Stewart/Iannetta/Smith (among others) gone, Blake/Hernandez/Cuddyer brought in instead while they wait for the draft/Int’l scouting to pay off. I mean, obviously deeper minor leagues in MLB make it a different story, but they’re doing the classic “bring in the veteran stopgap while we wait for the hotshot youngster”.
The Avs just went ahead and traded for Varly. Tomato, Tomahto.
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by Andrew Martin on Feb 20, 2012 11:08 AM MST up reply actions
I don’t get the need to “win” trades
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by SteveHouse on Feb 20, 2012 9:15 AM MST via Android app reply actions
Really though
Did your team address a need?
Did you give up a piece that hurts your team more than the new one helps?
2 yes – good trade
1 yes- a wash
0 yes – john ferguson jr
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Hm, maybe I should have worded that second one better
At exactly what point do you start to realize that life without knowledge is death in disguise?
by SteveHouse on Feb 20, 2012 9:21 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
Yeah, and the team that accomplishes those two things the best wins the trade. Although in many cases a trade can help both teams.
Sports don't build character, they reveal it
I think this trade is one of those prime examples. Much like the Neal – Goligoski trade. Pens needed a scoring winger, Stars needed an OFD and to dump Niskanen’s contract.
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Except.. Can we get us one of those ones that works out like Neal? It definitely did not work out like that for the Blues. If your talking about the forward in the deal.
The Blues pretty much got the raw end of the stick when it comes to Stewie. He was briefly happy and then he’s faded. We’ll see if he can rebound. He’s young and he is talented, he just has to show the work ethic needed to succeed.
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When the Pens got Neal I was thinking to myself.. Why could of we not added a little to Liles to Neal? Pretty similar player to Golig-whatever..
So true. I think them ditching Niskanen’s contract was a necessary part of that deal. Plus there’s a piece of me that would have absolutely died if I ever saw Liles in that jersey.
The principle of the deal remains intact though. Avs could have totally used Neal and it could have helped both teams. Goligoski was an expiring RFA (as was Neal) this year (both got re-signed). Liles was a little more spendy salary wise I think and being older I could see the Avs having to add something.
Theoretically if Hishon hadn’t been injured, would you have done a package of Liles and Hishon for Neal? I think I would.
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I just think it’s silly to talk about winning or losing trades like players are pokemon cards. It’s good for your team or it isn’t. (see hannan-flash.) It’s good for your trading partner or it isn’t. (see lebda.) No need to worry about whose end is more better imo
At exactly what point do you start to realize that life without knowledge is death in disguise?
by SteveHouse on Feb 20, 2012 10:50 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
Lebda has his name on the Cup…it’s just one of those things that makes my head hurt.
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“you look like hell”
“couldn’t sleep last night, too much on my mind”
“oh really? What’s up”
“the Cup has ‘Brett Lebda’ on it”
At exactly what point do you start to realize that life without knowledge is death in disguise?
by SteveHouse on Feb 20, 2012 10:54 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
Agree with you. I think the trades helped both teams.
Maybe
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by Jibblescribbits on Feb 20, 2012 10:10 AM MST up reply actions
can't really make it Siemens vs Rattie
as it was pick for pick and not player for player so it should be looked at as the value of said pick for pick.
I will say… I like Shattenkirk and wish him well but when you have the offensive firepower he has in front of him, I would expect at least what he has put up this year.
Languishing for Landeskog
You can make it Siemens for Rattie though as that is what the picks turned out to be.
As for straight value
Shatty
Stewie
2nd
vs
EJ
Silent Jay
1st
It appears to be in the Avs favor at face value pre draft now doesn’t it?
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the problem is everyone is looking at Rattie just this season. He had solid years the two season’s prior playing with top draft picks like Nino and Ryan J.
Languishing for Landeskog
anyone realize...
a 19 year old rookie is leading this team in goal scoring?
Languishing for Landeskog
I’d be happier about it if it were a lot more goals.
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True enough. At least there’s some bright light during the Avs second half collapse.
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23rd most potent offense in the NHL
Not really a surprise
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 11:06 AM MST up reply actions
it’s a dead horse but if we sign ryder/cole instead of simply wasting money on subaru/lindy, etc. we could be much better off. Flash would have been nice too.
by the cool breeze on Feb 20, 2012 11:33 AM MST up reply actions
It's a dead horse
but Flash would’ve been a massive overpayment at $4.5M AAV
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 11:33 AM MST up reply actions
Not if he played like he is.. and NOT is he stayed healthy.
Both of which were in question if he stayed here. So you’re right in one regard but it’s an impossible debate. His health issues kept him from staying in the Altitude. Would I sign him at that if he stayed here healthy and put up those points. YES
10 pts in his last 11 games
…4 in the 18 before that. But when he’s on, he’s on, I guess. No way he’s worth that kind of money long-term relying on him to stay at that pace.
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 11:40 AM MST up reply actions
he has 44 pts so statistically it really may not be that much of an overpayment. Stas at 37 pts is just fn horrible.
by the cool breeze on Feb 20, 2012 11:38 AM MST up reply actions
if it’s a dead horse, why mention it? Hindsight is 20/20 but there were no guarantees that those players would turn out that way.
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by ProfessorOak on Feb 20, 2012 11:35 AM MST up reply actions
They all made sense
and I couldn’t be happier with EJ. Shattenkirk is an elite passer but it’s not like he’s suddenly a force to be reckoned with on defense. He’s the most protected D on the Blues, plays the second weakest competition of the D corps, gets the second lowest ES TOI per game, and is their second most penalized defender. So while his offense is good, it’s obvious EJ is still far and away the better defender and Shattenkirk is only outscoring him by 3.
All of that without looking at the collapse of Chris Stewart, the rise of Jay McClement, and completely discounts whatever happens in the future with the two prospects drafted.
The Andy trade was all about getting rid of Andy and maybe getting lucky with Elliott. It didn’t work out but it wasn’t some whoamg HOW DID WE LET THIS HAPPEN kind of trade.
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say we re-sign Elliot and we don’t make the varly trade. That is a dream but that would have been nice.
by the cool breeze on Feb 20, 2012 11:35 AM MST up reply actions
Then Elliott would be as shitty as always.
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by ProfessorOak on Feb 20, 2012 11:35 AM MST up reply actions
Because again, he has chalked up his success to a full time goalie coach working with him on a consistent basis. Having the Hitchcock system in place doesn’t hurt either…but Elliott had started piling up his numbers before Hitch came in
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Assuming Elliott has the same season
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 11:35 AM MST up reply actions
Which is a leap of Grand Canyon proportions, IMO. NOTHING in his career has ever suggested he’d have or be able to sustain these kinds of numbers.
You know what the silver lining is? Ben Bishop may get traded. I wish he was an Av…
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That dude is enormous
ENORMOUSSSSSSS. What is he like 6’7"?
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 12:21 PM MST up reply actions
He’s huMANGous. And he’s pissed by the Elliott extension. He sees no chance of making the show in the next 2-3 years and he’s already been REALLY patient with St. Louis’ goaltending issues.
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Poor guy
Send him to CBJ ;)
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 12:35 PM MST up reply actions
Hadn’t considered that. What if they move Perron, Bishop, a prospect, and a 1st for Nash?
The only issue is that they are (and will be) division opponents.
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I mean
If CBJ would be down for that I see no reason for STL to say no. They’d be giving up nothing they would miss because Nash would replace Perron and it’d be a late first rounder and the prospect is still just a prospect.
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 12:40 PM MST up reply actions
That'd be pretty amusing
Still don’t see why STL doesn’t make that trade
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 12:42 PM MST up reply actions
If I was CBJ that would be the call I make. Perron, Rattie, Bishop for Nash. That’s a ton of future for a wing though.
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I’d say gimme Tarasenko
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by ProfessorOak on Feb 20, 2012 12:44 PM MST up reply actions
Sleeves out of their vest. I’d lay a six-pack that says Tarasenko never plays two full seasons in the NHL.
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really?
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by ProfessorOak on Feb 20, 2012 2:15 PM MST up reply actions
Sure, I’ll lay a 6er of my choice vs. one of yours on that.
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What do you mean by two full seasons? Like 2, 82 game seasons? Or two semi full seasons, say 72 games+ or 2 seasons where he stays in the nhl whether he is hurt or not?
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by ProfessorOak on Feb 20, 2012 4:51 PM MST up reply actions
Let’s say that he plays 125 games or fewer in the NHL beginning next season and ending at the end of the 2013-2014 season.
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Can we include an injury clause?
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by ProfessorOak on Feb 20, 2012 9:20 PM MST up reply actions
I’ll argue that the injury clause is baked into that number. I’m only setting the bar at 125 games vs. the 164 on the schedule. That allows him to be hurt/scratched/whatever almost 25% of the time.
I would, however, limit the games to regular season – playoffs don’t count.
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Do you think Radulov will play in the NHL (again) before Tarasenko does?
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Hmm, good question. Given that Radulov still has contractual obligations to NSH and there is a metric shitton of bad blood between the two, I’d say Tarasenko will play in the NHL before Radulov.
I can’t see NSH being persuaded to give up their rights to him even if he can be persuaded that the NHL is the route he should go, which so long as the petrodollars hold out, I don’t think will ever happen.
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Nash replaces Perron
Bishop is already redundant, Rattie and the first are still complete unknowns at the NHL level.
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 12:44 PM MST up reply actions
He’s the most protected D on the Blues, plays the second weakest competition of the D corps, gets the second lowest ES TOI per game, and is their second most penalized defender.
and you know who used to have this distinction with St Louis? Erik Johnson.
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Feb 20, 2012 12:31 PM MST up reply actions
He's pretty protected in Colorado, too
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 12:32 PM MST up reply actions
now, and that has a lot to do with why he’s better because when he first got here they totally threw him to the wolves
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Feb 20, 2012 12:44 PM MST up reply actions
I'll take EJ over Shattenkirk
anyway you slice it.
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 12:45 PM MST up reply actions
Same. I think EJ’s going to be a much, much better defenseman in the long run.
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Offensively he might struggle to stay even
but defensively I don’t think it’s even going to be close. You know, assuming EJ develops the way he should.
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 12:47 PM MST up reply actions
Agreed. I still think EJ is going to be amazing for us. Shatty’s not the type of defenseman that you can hang your franchise around. EJ is.
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I agree with all this. I guess I just wish there was a way to get EJ without moving Shattenkirk (Barrie, Elliott, etc)
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Feb 20, 2012 12:57 PM MST up reply actions
I miss him, too :(
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 12:58 PM MST up reply actions
hugs
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Feb 20, 2012 12:58 PM MST up reply actions
EJ’s still a glorified prospect IMO. He needed longer to develop and wasn’t given that time, so now he’s trying to figure things out on the fly. Protecting him a little for another year or so is probably a smart idea.
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Yep, and count me in the Pro-Hejda camp. He’s quietly been pretty darn decent this year once he and EJ were split up.
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Here's a fun little site you may or may not know about:
http://prosportstransactions.com/hockey/DraftTrades/Years/
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I see Cumiskey won't be hitting that GP mark :(
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 11:01 AM MST up reply actions
Nice write up
I didn’t know Stewie was doing so bad in St. Louis. I think the Avs lost on the Andy trade especially because the price for Varlamov, right now, is looking pretty steep and like the Avs may have lost that deal as well. The EJ trade tho looks like it is in the Avs favor. How do you guys try to rate defenders in terms of numbers? +- or what?
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How does Varlamov come into mentioning the Andy trade at all? and no, I never use +/-, horrible stat
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by ProfessorOak on Feb 20, 2012 11:38 AM MST up reply actions
because if the Avs
would not have traded Andy, then they may have resigned him and never traded for Varly in the frst place
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by NastyNessy71 on Feb 20, 2012 11:39 AM MST up reply actions
They weren't going to resign Andy
That relationship was very obviously lost.
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 11:40 AM MST up reply actions
oh i didn't know that
what happened to the relationship?
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by NastyNessy71 on Feb 20, 2012 11:41 AM MST up reply actions
he became an ass hole, haha in all seriousness, I really don’t know what happened.
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by ProfessorOak on Feb 20, 2012 11:42 AM MST up reply actions
Nobody's really sure
Plenty of rumors and all kinds of circumstantial evidence but nothing definitive. It definitely wasn’t working, though. He turned down a pretty fair contract extension from the Avs and things never really recovered from that point on.
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 11:42 AM MST up reply actions
ah yea i remember the contract dispute
He wants more money, avs say no, he feels disrespected yadi yadi yada.. well oh well. Glad Andy is doing well in Ottawa tho. I liked Andy and that signing. I remember exactly where i was and what i was doing when i heard the signing of Anderson on the radio that day.
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by NastyNessy71 on Feb 20, 2012 11:44 AM MST up reply actions
Hell yeah
I loved Andy quite a bit. I’m stoked as hell he’s doing well in Ottawa and am happy for the guy. Bummed it didn’t work out in Denver but I have no raw feelings about it. Just sadness, mostly.
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 11:45 AM MST up reply actions
I wasn’t around to see the ‘09-’10 playoff run, so I don’t have those good memories to go off of. What I saw looked an awful lot like a goalie that gave up on the team after a contract negotiation didn’t go well. It pissed me off at the time, but I’m better now. I’m fine with how everything has turned out for us with Varly and Jiggy.
I’m not exactly going to be cheering for Andy in Ottawa by any means, but I don’t hate him. Seeing him get lit up 7 times pretty much capped of any negativity I had towards him. That book is closed.
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It wasn't just the playoffs
It was the whole season. He carried a crappy Avalanche team to 2 playoff wins against a very good San Jose team and if it weren’t for Joe Pavelski playing OUT OF HIS FUCKING MIND, he might have stolen that series.
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 11:52 AM MST up reply actions
I know, I’ve seen the replays ;) That’s why I said playoff run, meaning the games leading up to it too. He was good for us that year. I just wish it had worked out.
But it didn’t. We moved on, and we’re doing just fine with goalies now IMO
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Pavelski
one of the most underrated players in the NHL IMO…. I swear every year in the playoffs he was the only player to ever score. Everytime i looked up either Pavelski or Settogucci (spelling?) had scored.
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by NastyNessy71 on Feb 20, 2012 11:55 AM MST up reply actions
I'm a big Pavelski fan
Kid has such an intriguing skillset and he plays hard. Fun to watch. Wish he wasn’t such an Avs slayer
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 11:58 AM MST up reply actions
right?
him and freakin Franzen. Ugh. I’d love to see Pavelski sport the A tho
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by NastyNessy71 on Feb 20, 2012 12:04 PM MST up reply actions
yep i feel ya man
hopefully Varly grows up a bit. I think Roy coaching would really do wonders with Varly. He’s a freak athlete, just doesn’t have his head on straight IMO. Get Roy’s hard ass in there and Varly will be the goalie the Avs traded for.
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by NastyNessy71 on Feb 20, 2012 11:49 AM MST up reply actions
I have 100% faith in Varly
He’s too talented not to succeed. He may never become a 65 GP workhorse like Kipper or anything he’s going to be just fine.
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 11:51 AM MST up reply actions
I think Varly would be totally down with having his Idol as a coach, but I don’t think Roy is going to give up his QMJHL gig just to be a goalie coach. I’m not sure I want Roy as our head coach either.
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God no
Varly has shown himself to be a pretty sensitive guy and having the fire and brimstone Patrick Roy there in his face all the time…I’ll pass. Plus the added stigma of playing in Roy’s old crease with him as the coach…yikes. It’s just asking for trouble.
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 11:54 AM MST up reply actions
i don't think so
if it were me, and that was my idol, i would want to impress him. I would want to learn from him and be the best. Plus he would allow no room for slacking off. I would be fine with Roy as the head coach of this team. But thats just my opinion
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by NastyNessy71 on Feb 20, 2012 11:57 AM MST up reply actions
Seriously. God love St. Patrick, but stay that fuck away from our keepers, pleeze!
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by Bob in Boulder on Feb 20, 2012 2:33 PM MST up reply actions
His body language was atrocious.
Also, he broke off negotiations with management, I think. That’s historically been a death knell in this franchise.
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 12:24 PM MST up reply actions
So, because I'm so lost by the squished thread up there...
How ‘bout them Parise/Sutter/Ryan/JVR/MPS/J. Stall/Chicago Blackhawks/Stanley Cup/Avs core/Mueller’s contract, eh?
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want/want/want/want/do not want/not sure if want/dat freefall/want/want/1 more year imo.
At exactly what point do you start to realize that life without knowledge is death in disguise?
I think bringing Muels back for a 1 year contract sounds about right. And I think he’d go for it too. I just really want him to get healthy. If he can fire on all cylinders for more than half a season, he’s going to be incredible for us.
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At the same time.. He knows he puts up points.. He knows he needs a little more than one years security. He knows we need wingers.. We know he needs a contract and we need wingers..
End result.. 2-3 years depending on who is more bold..
I’d be fine with a 2 year. 3, maybe. Anything more than that is way too risky righ tnow.
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He seems so thankful to be an Av too – from everything I’ve seen/read him say, they took really good care of him. I think he’d be 100% good with getting his old contract back.
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Have not talked about Semin? He was the last comment.. Some people don’t like him but it seems like a few of us agree he is the most likely to come here.
I knew I was forgetting someone.
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Ive read all over the place that one of the biggest rumors about him not signing long term is because of the caps not having a good center for him to play with. He also lost responsibility and was taken off of the PK.. While actually playing quite well on the PK and he was causing a lot of short handed goals while their PK % was quite good at the same time.
Backstrom not good enough of a center or what?
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 11:44 AM MST up reply actions
Hard to play with a guy whose hurt ;)
But I seem to recall there being quite a bit of success with Semin/Backstrom/Ovechkin a few years back. The second line center issue in Washington has reached comical heights right now so if that’s where he’s stuck playing then I can see it.
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 11:48 AM MST up reply actions
In the playoffs.. yes during the Season no they don’t play together but rarely. Even when both are healthy. Ask any caps fan
for the whole season
ALEX OVECHKIN NICKLAS BACKSTROM TROY BROUWER 8.52%
ALEX OVECHKIN NICKLAS BACKSTROM ALEXANDER SEMIN 4.65%
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by ProfessorOak on Feb 20, 2012 11:54 AM MST up reply actions
I forgot Troy Brouwer existed!
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 11:59 AM MST up reply actions
this will sound harsh but Semin is a worthless pile of monkey spunk. He takes more days off than Gov’t workers. He’s the last thing we need IMO. think he has potential to be a cancer too.
by the cool breeze on Feb 20, 2012 11:42 AM MST up reply actions
He's more gooftroop than mr grumpy gills
and he definitely does have effort questions. Still he possesses the kind of raw goal scoring ability this team so obviously lacks. He wouldn’t be my first target (Parise pleaaaaase) but he wouldn’t be a bad consolation prize.
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 11:44 AM MST up reply actions
he’s not good defensively, that’s part of what I don’t like about him. If we could get him for 1-2 years at 3-4M I guess that would be worth the risk.
by the cool breeze on Feb 20, 2012 11:47 AM MST up reply actions
ha, semin at 3-4 million? HA, not happening.
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by ProfessorOak on Feb 20, 2012 11:48 AM MST up reply actions
exactly, at 5M plus for him? please Bobby Ryan and Carter make about 5M, who do you want between them and semin?
by the cool breeze on Feb 20, 2012 11:51 AM MST up reply actions
If Ryan and Carter signed new contracts today, they would be making more, comparing older contracts to a contract to be signed isn’t a fair way to judge.
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by ProfessorOak on Feb 20, 2012 11:52 AM MST up reply actions
Alex Semin
All day.. One Ryan is not even possible
Carter has two teams now where his work ethic and attitude has been called into question.Yeah he sucks defensively
but essentially every other forward we have doesn’t so I’m willing to take that trade off for more goals.
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 11:50 AM MST up reply actions
for cheap worht the risk. It’s going to be really interesting to see what offers he gets?
by the cool breeze on Feb 20, 2012 11:53 AM MST up reply actions
That I'll agree with
I don’t see Washington bringing him back unless he does take an absurdly below-market contract like the one you’re talking about. They have Kuznetsov ready to hit the NHL next year and Semin has really fallen out of favor in WSH. Around the league, who knows which teams are going to jump into that because it is going to be a risky contract once you start talking about $6M AAV.
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 11:55 AM MST up reply actions
it says something about a guy who is VERY likely going to take a pay cut even tho he’s an UFA. he’s worth 2 years and 4M to me and his 37 pts this year don’t thrill me. I think “risky” is the key word with him. He has a rep around the league as lazy and gm’s are going to be careful with a guy like that I think.
by the cool breeze on Feb 20, 2012 12:00 PM MST up reply actions
They are
But lots of teams have money to spend and Semin is a shiny toy on the beach. It’s up to the GMs to figure out how much they’re willing to spend to find out if that’s actually a toy or a land mine.
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 12:01 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
We have two centers.. He would love to play with. If he looks at our team virtually where ever he plays he is setup all day every day.
Heck, we have THREE centers he’d love to play with.
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Why not
just swoop in and steal Nash? The Avs obviously have the $ and young pieces to get a deal done. Nash is a top 10 forward in the NHL. Rick Nash would put the Avs into the playoffs and by this time next year I think in a really nice position in the NHL after the pups have some seasoning. It would be bold. I would try to do it. I’m sure Joe Sakic would have no problem convincing his fellow Canadian to stay in the City he spent all of his career in (besides Quebec of course).
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by NastyNessy71 on Feb 20, 2012 11:47 AM MST up reply actions
For what they want for Nash, no one is going to get him. Not with that massive contract, huge cap hit, and the fact that he’s a winger, no matter how good he is.
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by ProfessorOak on Feb 20, 2012 11:49 AM MST up reply actions
hmm
Idk, Siemens, Barrie and who else would you need to get him?
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by NastyNessy71 on Feb 20, 2012 11:51 AM MST up reply actions
look at AJ’s statement, that’s pretty much spot on
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just saw it thanks
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by NastyNessy71 on Feb 20, 2012 11:53 AM MST up reply actions
plus, he has a list of 5 teams or he would go to with that NMC
by the cool breeze on Feb 20, 2012 11:54 AM MST up reply actions
There's no "stealing" Nash
There’s only “overpaying” for Nash. If the Avs were serious about Nash, you can say goodbye to Elliott/Barrie (one, not both), more draft picks, probably Pickard (or whichever goalie they like), and at LEAST one of Stastny/O’Reilly/Duchene/Landeskog. So yeah, ain’t no stealing from CBJ there.
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 11:50 AM MST up reply actions
i'd be okay with all
but the last part. I saw Toronto was dangling Kessel for Nash and scratched my head. Now i can see where your package comes into play. I would offer the package as constructed plus Stats if Jeff Carter could be had as well.
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by NastyNessy71 on Feb 20, 2012 11:54 AM MST up reply actions
now you’re talking! Carter is the guy I would go after too, Stas/Pickard for Carter.
by the cool breeze on Feb 20, 2012 11:56 AM MST up reply actions
His “one dimension” is scoring goals, that’s why! Say what you want but Stas is over-rated by peeps here. He only had 50-somin pts last year and has 37 or so this year. That’s a number one center? my ass. I like him but he is what he is. JC, Radar has more points playing on a lower line with a roookie and fucking winnik for half the year.
by the cool breeze on Feb 20, 2012 12:03 PM MST up reply actions
carter is on pace for a lesser amount of points per game than Stastny is…
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by ProfessorOak on Feb 20, 2012 12:06 PM MST up reply actions
he’s been hurt, on the worst team in NHL, etc. Carter had 66 pts last year vs stas 57 pts. He had 46 goals (2nd in league to OVI) in ’09, something stas could never do under any circumstances. Plus, we have 2 other playmaking centers.
by the cool breeze on Feb 20, 2012 12:11 PM MST up reply actions
He also had 66 pts last year on one of the best teams in the league, vs Stastny have 57 pts on the 2nd worse team in the league, so if you’re gonna pull that card, it’s fairly even. Columbus has only scored 15 fewer goals than us, so there isn’t that much of a difference there, even if you want to apply the whole bad team theory, they are still scoring at almost the rate we are.
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by ProfessorOak on Feb 20, 2012 12:13 PM MST up reply actions
Stastny is better than Carter. Better defensively, and if you project Carter’s points to 57 games, he would only have 33 pts compared to Stastny’s 37 (in a down year). Carter was only a point per game player once, and couldn’t even come close to repeating that. That’d be a horrible trade.
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by ProfessorOak on Feb 20, 2012 11:59 AM MST up reply actions
That would be a classic Sell High move by Columbus.
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i don't think i would do that
but if i got Nash too… then yes i would sacrifice Stats to Carter
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by NastyNessy71 on Feb 20, 2012 12:01 PM MST up reply actions
don’t want carter, nor would they send him back on top of nash.
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by ProfessorOak on Feb 20, 2012 11:56 AM MST up reply actions
They can't just take prospects
If Nash could be had for Elliott/Barrie, a package of picks, and a goalie in the WHL then we would have a metric fuckton of competition for that. They need NHL talent and they need it now. Honestly, if Joey Hishon were healthy and playing well in the AHL this could be a very different conversation. As it is, I don’t see the two teams as a fit at all.
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 11:57 AM MST up reply actions
For example
Twitter rumors (lol…) just showed up with the Kings now offering Bernier, Loktionov, Jack Johnson, and “plus” (I’m assuming it’s draft pick compensation of some kind) for Nash. That’s a serious offer.
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 12:00 PM MST up reply actions
And in the wheelhouse of what CBJ is asking for. The plus would likely have to be a 1st or second pick.
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Yeah of course
Anything lower than a 2nd and you start wondering “well what the hell was the point of that”. Honestly, if I’m Columbus, I’d take a first this year and next and tell them to keep Jack Johnson
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 12:29 PM MST up reply actions
You think Harding is enough of a starting point for C-bus to be kicking Minny’s tires? Nash reverses the regression, they get Harding +?
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I'm Harding's biggest fan
so hell yeah. He’s a legit NHL starter. What else would they have to part with? I know they badly want to move Zidlicky and he would help off-set some of the money but they would have to give up Coyle or Granlund and then a pick. I dunno if they’d be willing to do that…I think they really love Granlund
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 1:05 PM MST up reply actions
I think Rask, Bernier would excite them a lot more.
by the cool breeze on Feb 20, 2012 1:09 PM MST up reply actions
Of course
That’s not even a question.
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 1:13 PM MST up reply actions
yea i feel yea
never know tho. For all we know Columbus may be licking their chops for a players of the Elliot and Barries caliber. They saw how Shattenkirk has worked out, out of the Avs and on to the Blues. They may bite on something later on if teams don’t meet their price. I bet someone overpays tho. Looks like the Leafs may do it. Trading Kessel for Nash would be insane.
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by NastyNessy71 on Feb 20, 2012 12:00 PM MST up reply actions
Even so..
Then you need to take into account he has a 7.8M cap hit.. That contract then trying to add because we do actually need more than one UFA.. would handcuff us a bit.
ah
not bad enough to get players signed. The Avs haven’t really dished out to a UFA since Smyth right?
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by NastyNessy71 on Feb 20, 2012 12:06 PM MST up reply actions
Smyth and Hannan.
Hejda got a nice payraise last summer too. Varly signed an extension after the trade. They’ll pay, it’s just a matter of timing, IMO.
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pay for a goal scorer….. a good goal scorer and they will be much better
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by NastyNessy71 on Feb 20, 2012 12:30 PM MST up reply actions
Honestly
They don’t need defenseman. Columbus has sneaky good D already and desperately needs decent goaltending, which is why the BOS/VAN/LA trifecta always pop up. They all have goalies they can stand to lose. Colorado would probably realistically have to part with Varly in a Nash trade, something that would be…questionable.
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 12:03 PM MST up reply actions
And Aitokallio
But these are all just prospects playing in an organization notorious for not developing goalies well…or at all. FFS in the Avs history the best homegrown goalies are Peter Budaj and Marc Denis. Maybe David Aebischer?
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 12:06 PM MST up reply actions
God Marc Denis was SO good for the Bears, I loved him so much!
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by ProfessorOak on Feb 20, 2012 12:07 PM MST up reply actions
yea i feel ya
Bobby Ryan still for sale?
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by NastyNessy71 on Feb 20, 2012 12:06 PM MST up reply actions
Def not
UNless of course, we’re willing to hand them a $2 bill in exchange for a $1.
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 12:08 PM MST up reply actions
gotcha
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by NastyNessy71 on Feb 20, 2012 12:11 PM MST up reply actions
I would
do what the package price is meantioned above so pick between barrie or elliot/ future picks/ pickard/ Stats for Nash and Carter.
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by NastyNessy71 on Feb 20, 2012 12:02 PM MST up reply actions
There's just
no way you’d be getting both back. Like none lol
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 12:04 PM MST up reply actions
Idk man
if Bernier JJ and picks can net Nash and Carter I think that package could too. But Bernier is the nice player in that deal.
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by NastyNessy71 on Feb 20, 2012 12:08 PM MST up reply actions
It's JUST Nash
All of that for JUST Rick Nash. The inclusion of JJ is really bizarre to me. That’s somebody they flat out don’t need at all.
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 12:08 PM MST up reply actions
It’s the name. Nobody in CBJ knows Bernier but I bet a fair amount are familiar with JJ.
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Bad hockey move
If CBJ really insists on doing this, they need to eat whatever bad PR they get out of it and make the best hockey decision they can. AFter this colossal fiasco of a season for them, there’s no better time to make a “controversial” move like that. That defense is legit talented already. Jack Johnson isn’t going to give them much they don’t already have, especially considering how overrated that dude is.
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 12:31 PM MST up reply actions
But if they can flip him for a pick in a three-way deal, it’s a win-win.
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when was the last three way deal?
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by ProfessorOak on Feb 20, 2012 12:36 PM MST up reply actions
they can’t net Nash and Carter, that is JUST for Nash
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by ProfessorOak on Feb 20, 2012 12:09 PM MST up reply actions
ah yea your right
i read that if they couldn’t get Nash that Carter would be a nice consolation prize
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by NastyNessy71 on Feb 20, 2012 12:13 PM MST up reply actions
Agree it is ridiculous to even want both.. I can see Nash playing with Stastny.. But who do you put Carter with? Parise? Not going to be able to afford him with Nash at 7.8.. Duchene carries the puck and would not work with Carter.. Carter as a wing with Stastny and Nash? Carter is apparently not actually that great at wing..
The problem with all of the big names is that they’re going to want one of our core in return if we trade for them, and that’s like selling your pocketwatch to get a pocketwatch chain. UFA is more likely, but still risky on the over payment front.
Like I said, I’d rather go after a reclamation/underutilized project of some sort – maybe JVR. I’m not against the Avs joining the Parise and Sutter sweepstakes, but signing those type of players just doesn’t seem like something this organization would do. Do I hope they make an exception, F YEAH! I’d lovelovelove to get those players. I’m just not sure it’s going to happen.
Changes will come this summer. I could also see the Avs being active on deadline day and blindsiding us all (they like doing that). But I don’t think that Landy/O’Reilly/Duchene/Stastny/EJ/Varly are going anywhere for anyone.
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do you know any of the
UFA and RFA’s next year? Somewhat big to big names at least? And by JVR do you mean James Van Riemsdyke (spelling?) from Philly?
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by NastyNessy71 on Feb 20, 2012 12:03 PM MST up reply actions
Well, Parise and Sutter are both UFA. And James Van Riemsdyk has been mentioned as a trade potential.
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he's the big dude right?
not bad. Not gonna do much for the Avs tho. IMO
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by NastyNessy71 on Feb 20, 2012 12:08 PM MST up reply actions
Totally agree.. My hope is they pay a fairly cheap price for someone like Kostitsyn to make us competitive for the rest of the year. Nothing wrong with signing a guy like that to a 3.5-4M deal if he works either.
They aren't parting with JVR anymore
not with the moves they just made. There wouldn’t be a real clear upgrade available right now. They just remade their defense and their offense is still legit.
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 12:05 PM MST up reply actions
:( I still really want JVR.
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Fuck me too
I want JVR all kinds of bad but that possibility died a fiery death when the Stars and Lightning hooked them up with NHL defenseman for middle round draft picks.
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 12:07 PM MST up reply actions
I’d give up just about anything outside of our core 6 to get him. I’d almost even consider a Jiggy trade if it came to that. I’d really like to keep or veteran netminder, but man… JVR on our top line. Mmm, that would be tasty.
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you like him that much?
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by NastyNessy71 on Feb 20, 2012 12:10 PM MST up reply actions
Oh yeah. Think Landy, but with fewer hits but better goal scoring.
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He's got golden hands
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 12:12 PM MST up reply actions
He’d be PERFECT for us. Worth every freakin’ penny of his 4.25 cap hit.
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I really do agree but I think getting him is less likely than signing Parise, Suter, and Semin as UFAs
Oh it is
It’s super unlikely. We’re just dreaming here
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 12:16 PM MST up reply actions
Unfortunately. I still don’t think we’re going to go after the really big names this summer, but I really, really hope I’m wrong.
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I think we are.
I think we throw our hat in the ring on Parise. He makes a ton of sense for the Avs based on need/available salary cap and over the last few years management has started to prove themselves as pretty decent talent evaluators. Parise is an easy call to chase after.
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 12:20 PM MST up reply actions
The deal still stands. If the Avs sign Parise, I will find a way to pony up the money to get his jersey before December.
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who goes to wing
him or duchene?
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by NastyNessy71 on Feb 20, 2012 12:22 PM MST up reply actions
Parise plays wing…
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by ProfessorOak on Feb 20, 2012 12:22 PM MST up reply actions
oh left wing?
my bad… i thought he was a center
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by NastyNessy71 on Feb 20, 2012 12:23 PM MST up reply actions
Nope. One of the best wingers in the NHL right now.
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nice
left i assume?
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by NastyNessy71 on Feb 20, 2012 12:24 PM MST up reply actions
si
He has Kovy as his RW. Not a bad line…
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 12:25 PM MST up reply actions
not at all
he’d look good with Duchy and Mueller
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by NastyNessy71 on Feb 20, 2012 12:27 PM MST up reply actions
I’d like to see Parise on Stastny’s line actually. They had good chemistry back in the Olympics.
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so
Stats Parise Mueller
Landy O’reilly Duchy?
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by NastyNessy71 on Feb 20, 2012 12:33 PM MST up reply actions
meant
Parise Stats Mueller
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by NastyNessy71 on Feb 20, 2012 12:33 PM MST up reply actions
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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by ProfessorOak on Feb 20, 2012 12:34 PM MST up reply actions
That would be a very nice looking top 6. I would be down with that.
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as would i
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by NastyNessy71 on Feb 20, 2012 12:35 PM MST up reply actions
Especially if they could find a good center to go between them. I love Henrique, but I can’t help but think that NJ’s numbers would be MUCH higher if they had someone like Stastny between those two.
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oh yea
Stats would be at 50+ points right now… not the 37 he’s at
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by NastyNessy71 on Feb 20, 2012 12:29 PM MST up reply actions
lol...
You think that line would be more productive with a stud playmaker instead of a rookie finding his legs in the NHL? Come on now. Of COURSE they’d be more productive! It isn’t like Henrique has held either of them back significantly, though.
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 12:30 PM MST up reply actions
No, he’s done very well all things considered.
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And see I actually and holding the glass half full mentality. I think if management sees this UFA market as on oportunity to cap this team off for the next 10 years.
They will do it.. I am guessing they know those names could sell out the can for a very long time again. They remember how much money they made off of that. Spending 20M on big names for a long time. Will be well worth the risk. I think it’s if they all make it to UFA not IF the Avs are willing to pay.
I can't imagine
they’d jump out and sign more than one of the big names. But if a Parise/Hemsky combo were to sign in Colorado…uh…fuck yes?
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 12:21 PM MST up reply actions
whoa whoa whoa
Hemsky isn’t a $5M AAV kind of guy and if someone offers that, the Avs better steer clear of that shit.
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 12:24 PM MST up reply actions
I'll agree with that
but this was also assuming we signed Parise and I doubt the Avs have been ultra careful with their cap space just to run out and blow that load all at once.
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 12:26 PM MST up reply actions
Oh hell yeah
But we were talking about Parise and Semin, which is pretty iffy territory.
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 12:35 PM MST up reply actions
Ok I would blow it all at once on Parise, Semin and Suter.. 6.5 6.5 and 6 That is 19M.. Best case would be 6.5 6.5 and 5 with front loaded deals or 7, 6, 5.5 what ever point is.. Around 18-20M and we have all 3.
It is literally however unlikely possible. If they all would say yes to deals that would make it possible. We would be dumb to say no.. Nothing wrong with saying.. Uh.. We are actually trying to sign all 3 of you.. Here is what our roster would look like. Really? OMfG where do I sign..
Semin might get a contract that low, Parise and Suter, I doubt it.
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by ProfessorOak on Feb 20, 2012 12:44 PM MST up reply actions
What is Kovy’s cap hit actually.. You know how much money can be stuffed into a 6.5M cap hit these days? Even if both get 7&7 you can still afford Semin at 6M and be within 20..
I think the new CBA will try and get rid of circumvention.
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by ProfessorOak on Feb 20, 2012 12:47 PM MST up reply actions
6.66666667
The Devils literally made a deal with the devil.
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 12:48 PM MST up reply actions
If I remember
It was even like 1M less than that before they made like the last couples years not count and put that over 35 or something rule in where it does not cut the average or whatever.
Stastny – 6.6M
Duchene – 4 to 5M
O’Reilly – 3.5-4M
Landeskog – 3.5M
EJ – 4 to 5M
Trust me there is enough after that to sign all 3 of those guys. For us to take on 20M the cap would have to go to around 67M but only going up 2.8M is very possible.. If we got them to take reasonable deals.. Staying within the current cap after getting rid of Hejda is totally possible..
I'd take Hemsky
he just really needs a change of scenery
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by NastyNessy71 on Feb 20, 2012 12:25 PM MST up reply actions
hahahaha
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by NastyNessy71 on Feb 20, 2012 12:28 PM MST up reply actions
hmm
ill have to watch closer next time… honestly if im ever watching a Philly game I usually tend to pay attention when Giroux is on the Ice, and I don’t think Giroux played with him at the winter classic did he? Cuz that was the last Philly game i saw
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by NastyNessy71 on Feb 20, 2012 12:15 PM MST up reply actions
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by NastyNessy71 on Feb 20, 2012 12:17 PM MST up reply actions
JVR isn’t all that noticeable most of the time. He’s stuck on their third line. But if you watch some of the playoff games from last year, he was a beast.
Given the chance at a Top 6, and I think he’d be very, VERY good.
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i’ll look him up… Philly is my second favorite team… i know em somewhat well… i honestly just like em cuz i love their jersies and i love Giroux.
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by NastyNessy71 on Feb 20, 2012 12:19 PM MST up reply actions
they are in a three way tie for my most hated team, hahaha
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by ProfessorOak on Feb 20, 2012 12:21 PM MST up reply actions
why!
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by NastyNessy71 on Feb 20, 2012 12:22 PM MST up reply actions
Because (no offense) but I used to live around so many Philly fans and the majority of them don’t know much about hockey and are bandwagon fans. They are also ass holes. Just my experience based on an unfair generalization of an entire fanbase.
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by ProfessorOak on Feb 20, 2012 12:23 PM MST up reply actions
lol nice
ive never been to philly, hate all their other teams…just like their jersies… teh como of black and orange is sick IMO… also cuz it was my colors when I played in my competative days. Reminds me of the good ol days =) and Giroux is a freak among freaks.
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by NastyNessy71 on Feb 20, 2012 12:26 PM MST up reply actions
They were my high school colors, ick. I don;t mind them, but I HATE the nameplates on the back.
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by ProfessorOak on Feb 20, 2012 12:28 PM MST up reply actions
you go to Lewis Palmer?
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by NastyNessy71 on Feb 20, 2012 12:29 PM MST up reply actions
lol, no, there are many high schools that have those colors int he US. Also, high school was many years back.
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by ProfessorOak on Feb 20, 2012 12:30 PM MST up reply actions
ah word
only school in colorado that i can remember having those colors was lewis palmer… im sure theres many more in colorado… thats just all i remember from the teams i played in high school.
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by NastyNessy71 on Feb 20, 2012 12:32 PM MST up reply actions
I am also not located anywhere near colorado, hahaha
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by ProfessorOak on Feb 20, 2012 12:33 PM MST up reply actions
haha there ya go
nevermind then!
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by NastyNessy71 on Feb 20, 2012 12:34 PM MST up reply actions
I think Jiggy would be an excellent trade piece
I’ve maintained all along that if a killer deal were to come along that I would pull the trigger on it. I don’t think Jiggy is here long-term and this is Varly’s team waiting to happen. It would have to be a really good deal, though.
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 12:11 PM MST up reply actions
I agree. And a trade involving JVR would be such a deal.
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haha yeah
Obviously it’d have to be with a team that makes a little more sense like Chicago or San Jose or (hahahaha) Toronto
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 12:18 PM MST up reply actions
what players could the Avs get for Giggy?
I saw the Blackhawks were interested but didn’t see what they were offering.
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by NastyNessy71 on Feb 20, 2012 12:16 PM MST up reply actions
is he a forward or what?
ive never heard of him
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by NastyNessy71 on Feb 20, 2012 12:20 PM MST up reply actions
winger taken last year.
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by ProfessorOak on Feb 20, 2012 12:21 PM MST up reply actions
good player?
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by NastyNessy71 on Feb 20, 2012 12:21 PM MST up reply actions
He's blowing up in Saginaw this year
Big body type. I’m not of the opinion we need more power forwards but if the end result is more goals, IDGAF how we get them
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by NastyNessy71 on Feb 20, 2012 12:23 PM MST up reply actions
good prospect, perfect for Avs. He played a handful og games with Hawks early in year.
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wordy
I like the idea ofa young PF…. could replace the Stewie void
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by NastyNessy71 on Feb 20, 2012 12:24 PM MST up reply actions
they are deep with prospects, Mcneil and Pirri top forward prospects too.
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I love me some Mark MacNeill
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by ProfessorOak on Feb 20, 2012 12:24 PM MST up reply actions
me too, sorry for my bad spelling of his name
by the cool breeze on Feb 20, 2012 12:25 PM MST up reply actions
honestly, not sure if that’s how you spell it, hahaha, just have a friend with that last name.
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by ProfessorOak on Feb 20, 2012 12:26 PM MST up reply actions
They are
Lots of centers, though >_<
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 12:25 PM MST up reply actions
100% agree and speaking of that if I was Greg from Accounting I would be entering “sellersville” immediately. Even if we somehow made the 8th spot, getting our asses handed to us by detroilet doesn’t sound too fun. Giggy for a late 1st if he wasn’t hurt I think was possible. Plus, he’s signed for cheap next year too so that helps his value. I would move SOB, Jones (unless they really are going to sign him- otherwise he can walk for nothin), Duke (if he wants to), and maybe another d-man and if anyone would take Porter, Subaru, Gali I would trade them too.
by the cool breeze on Feb 20, 2012 12:21 PM MST up reply actions
I'd say Jiggy and Quincey are our best pieces
that we wouldn’t miss all that much that would net us the kind of return we’re really looking for. I wouldn’t blow the team up or anything but definitely a guy here or there if we get a good return.
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 12:24 PM MST up reply actions
At this point, I’m fine with parting with just about anyone save Landy/Radar/Dutch/Stazz/EJ/Varly/Duke (he’s earned the right to retire here) FOR THE RIGHT DEAL.
If a team wants to offer a Top 6 winger or #2 d-man or high draft pick for Varly and/or Quincey? I’m fine with that.
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I wouldn't trade Varly
not at all.
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 12:27 PM MST up reply actions
me either unless we got the same thing back as what we gave up to get him. He’s so young, got to give him some time.
by the cool breeze on Feb 20, 2012 12:29 PM MST up reply actions
That was supposed to be Jiggy!
Varly’s in the DO NOT TRADE list.
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if we could get just one good wing for Giggy (say Saad), i love that deal then. He’s not part of the long term solution here so why not get some value now. Plus, we can re-sign Elliot!
by the cool breeze on Feb 20, 2012 12:27 PM MST up reply actions
I agree
I’ve been on the trade Jiggy train since December so this is nothing new for me. I love the guy and he’s such a solid goalie but I really doubt he has more than one more year in Denver so why not move him now if we can get a worthwhile return. If it’s a second round pick this year and next then fuck that
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 12:28 PM MST up reply actions
Do you have any idea where all these lack of work ethic and laziness statements about JVR have come from? I haven’t heard anything of that nature. Many people here seem to think he’s lazy, I’m just wondering if you’ve heard that from any type of source?
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by ProfessorOak on Feb 20, 2012 12:05 PM MST up reply actions
I have not.. Only thing I have heard is Philly fans say he had an injury before even being concussed.
Based on the Playoffs he was poised to break out this year but has been crushed by injury ontop of injury this year.
Don’t mention that to DiD. He went off on someone the other day about how you can google “JVR lazy” and come up with a bunch of results.
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funny, because I did, and got none.
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by ProfessorOak on Feb 20, 2012 12:09 PM MST up reply actions
a random twitter account, just a random fan.
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by ProfessorOak on Feb 20, 2012 12:11 PM MST up reply actions
After Varly.. I don’t believe half the shit that was said about either Semin or Varly’s work ethic..
I can agree with this statement.
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by ProfessorOak on Feb 20, 2012 11:45 AM MST up reply actions
So
Supposedly Chicago is looking for defense. Say they call about Kyle Quincey. What kind of return would you deem acceptable? I’m thinking Brandon Saad and a draft pick?
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Toews, lol. I really don’t know. Saad and a draft pick seems high, but comparing that to what Grossman and Kubina got, it may be on par.
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by ProfessorOak on Feb 20, 2012 12:16 PM MST up reply actions
He's just a prospect
and it wasn’t like I asked for Marcus Kruger or anything. He’s one of their better prospects but he’s not TIP TOP or anything and I was thinking a 3rd rounder would be fine with me. Maybe on a smaller scale O’Byrne for a second? ;)
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 12:19 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah, I guess I overvalue recently picked prospects a bit.
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by ProfessorOak on Feb 20, 2012 12:20 PM MST up reply actions
ha ha, he has some speed and has I think 16 goals? okay, Saad and a 2nd
by the cool breeze on Feb 20, 2012 12:38 PM MST up reply actions
dude
Stalberg drives me freakin nuts on NHL 12. Kills me on live. He’s so slow!
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by NastyNessy71 on Feb 20, 2012 12:38 PM MST up reply actions
they want Giggy too
could make a bigger package…
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by NastyNessy71 on Feb 20, 2012 12:16 PM MST up reply actions
how bout Giggy and Quincey for Sharp?
by the cool breeze on Feb 20, 2012 12:38 PM MST up reply actions
Sold
Sold so fast it’s ridiculous
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 12:38 PM MST up reply actions
no way
Chicago does that. Sharp is a stud. Maybe if you added Barrie or Pickard
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by NastyNessy71 on Feb 20, 2012 12:38 PM MST up reply actions
at 30 years old, eh.
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Sharps 30?
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by NastyNessy71 on Feb 20, 2012 12:39 PM MST up reply actions
dang didn't know that
well in that case maybe Quincey and Giggy can net you Sharp. Roenick said Chicago could part with Kane to land a goalie… maybe Giggy and Quincey for Sharp is a better play for Chicago… Giggy saves Chicago another year or so to find a goalie either via FA or another trade with different players down the road.
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by NastyNessy71 on Feb 20, 2012 12:41 PM MST up reply actions
yep
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by ProfessorOak on Feb 20, 2012 12:39 PM MST up reply actions
exactly, why they maybe would do it. Ok,. throw in SOB too. or Jones
by the cool breeze on Feb 20, 2012 12:40 PM MST up reply actions
They can have Jones
ezpz
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 12:41 PM MST up reply actions
he would become expendable so a throw in for Chicago to take Sharp’s spot. He could score a little on that team too.
by the cool breeze on Feb 20, 2012 12:43 PM MST up reply actions
I don’t see where Jones fits anymore. He doesn’t play big enough or defensively enough to be in the bottom 6, but he hasn’t proven he can play a puck possession game or score enough to be in the Top 6. I really think he’d be better suited on a team that plays a more pure run-and-gun style. He probably needs to be traded out east – Montreal could be a good fit. Don’t know what we’d want from them, but I think they’d take a chance on Jones.
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lol also sold
Let’s just be the GM of the Avs and fleece all the other teams in the NHL fyeah
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 12:46 PM MST up reply actions
I don’t see why Jones won’t move by deadline b/c I don’t think the avs want to re-sign him. maybe LA, desperate for goals?
by the cool breeze on Feb 20, 2012 12:50 PM MST up reply actions
What would you take in return from LA, though?
We need goal scoring too. If they just gave us a defensive prospect how does that help us? You’re looking at a 3rd round pick for him
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 12:51 PM MST up reply actions
If we could get a 2nd for Jones, done.
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On a serious note, I’d do Boyes for Jones. Our failed, once promising last gasp for yours.
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by ProfessorOak on Feb 20, 2012 4:51 PM MST up reply actions
If the Lightning weren’t sellers, he’d fit there.
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by NastyNessy71 on Feb 20, 2012 12:58 PM MST up reply actions
Same might be true for a Jiggy trade
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 12:58 PM MST up reply actions
I'm gonna call Rookie of the Year next year
It’s going to Tarasenko, no match.
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by NastyNessy71 on Feb 20, 2012 12:44 PM MST up reply actions
what about Stoa? you are forgetting that minor league guys are eligible tho (like Elliot/Barrie), so he will have lots of competition.
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Nope, no competition whatsoever, Tarasenko takes it.
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by ProfessorOak on Feb 20, 2012 12:46 PM MST up reply actions
he's pretty nasty
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by NastyNessy71 on Feb 20, 2012 12:46 PM MST up reply actions
The Blues…
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by ProfessorOak on Feb 20, 2012 12:47 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah, I’m jealous…
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by ProfessorOak on Feb 20, 2012 12:49 PM MST up reply actions
Minor Correction:
SKA Peterburg has him. STL owns his NHL rights. It is not at all certain, IMO, that he leaves the motherland on anything approaching a permanent basis.
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Granlund ^_^
Or Yakupov.
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 12:46 PM MST up reply actions
hahahahahaha
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by ProfessorOak on Feb 20, 2012 12:48 PM MST up reply actions
Huberdeau
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 12:49 PM MST up reply actions
Hubs is going to be awesome when he breaks into the NHL, assuming he himself doesn’t break. Kid’s a bit of a twig. Sick hands though.
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thats what i thought about
Nugent
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by NastyNessy71 on Feb 20, 2012 12:51 PM MST up reply actions
RNH HAS been awesome
Tough luck with the injuries, though.
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 12:52 PM MST up reply actions
Exactly. They’re good players, but they’re not exactly durable when getting body-slammed by people 60 lbs heavier than they are every night.
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170
is not much weight..
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by NastyNessy71 on Feb 20, 2012 12:53 PM MST up reply actions
People did kind of call it.. When it came to RNH being able to hold up to the punishment of an NHL season with his frame not being filled in.. I actually think the Oil rushed him.. Got goo goo eyed at his productions and couldn’t resist. You can’t blame them much but.. seriously wirey kid at like 170 in the NHL skating around against teams best and baddest D.. yeah asking to break the kid off..
yeah of course
I think it was fine for RNH to be in the NHL this year. He proved with his play that he belonged. Now with the injuries and everything else that’s happened the Edmonton’s season I think they need to just sit him the remainder of the year. No reason to bring to him back.
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 12:57 PM MST up reply actions
Well, they burned a year of his ELC. Edmonton is going to sell tickets no matter what, so I’m not sure why that team is so anxious to burn years of really young players when they damn well know their defense will not let them get in to the playoffs. You watch, next year they will bring up Klefbom.
I'll keep this brief.
Rattie is a twig, too
Olver carries more weight than he does. Just fyi ;D
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 12:51 PM MST up reply actions
I know. Which is funny. Olver makes the most of his 170 though.
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he a pimp
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2012 12:53 PM MST up reply actions
Thing is that Olver/St. Louis are short too. They may have the same mass as some of these young guys, but they have it packed into a smaller area. They’re as “dense” as most hockey players are, just in a smaller package
RNH, Rattie, Hubs – all of them are around 6’. Their mass is more spread out. Basically, they’re twigs, and twigs break when hit by heavy objects 82 games a year.
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we should have an official MHH contest for this :)
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by ProfessorOak on Feb 20, 2012 12:47 PM MST up reply actions
i call zibanejad
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by NastyNessy71 on Feb 20, 2012 12:49 PM MST up reply actions
2013 Calder
Jimmy Howard.
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by Bob in Boulder on Feb 20, 2012 12:52 PM MST up reply actions
Duh,
we’re talking about the 2nd place prize.
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Datsyuk.
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by Bob in Boulder on Feb 20, 2012 4:02 PM MST up reply actions
we’re talking about the 2nd place prize.
This is Datsyuk we’re talking, right?
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But isn’t Jimmy Howard the rock that even Datsyuk can’t lift?
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by Bob in Boulder on Feb 20, 2012 4:14 PM MST up reply actions
I love this got everyone thinking about building the dream team.
I agree and disagree with all of everything that is said at once.. haha But I have shit to do peace.. =)
I still like the blockbuster trade, but I’m indifferent on the other one. Whether we had Elliott or Andy in goal, the Avs were tanking anyway.
I’ll give the edge to that being a good trade, because without it we would have still been tanking, but we would never have had our tank driver Elliott graphics.
EJ > Stewart
Shattenkirk however is playing very well (on the PP at least) but in my mind Seimens is huge in this trade.
Who cares about Anderson… the only thing I’m pissed is they got nothing and him walk for a guy they then let walk too… (no one could’ve seen Elliott doing this)
Paul Stastny did, what Paul Stastny does. Score big goals.
chickens don't CLAP!
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So...
Trade-able players…
Elliott / Barrie
Jiggy
Quincey
SOB
ROB
Jones
Goalie prospect Pickard / Samialalalalalako / Cedrick
Draft picks
Hishon
War
Gally
Hunwick
Players we want…
Parise
Ryan
Nash
THE Bozak
JVR
Random Top Six Forward
We have talent to trade…
Go Avs.
Go Blues.
The only way you get any of those guys in the bottom is to add Stastny to the list of guys at the top.
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Yeah, we could probably get him with Quincey + Jiggy.
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I was hoping for VLE… but that guy is having a GREAT season…
Go Avs.
Go Blues.
by Tony Trujillo on Feb 20, 2012 2:56 PM MST up reply actions
If by “Random,” you mean “Shouldn’t really be in anyone’s,” then we already have the market cornered on those guys.
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by Bob in Boulder on Feb 20, 2012 3:12 PM MST up reply actions
Good point.
I didn’t think of him when I made that list.
Go Avs.
Go Blues.
by Tony Trujillo on Feb 20, 2012 2:56 PM MST up reply actions
I don’t think Stastny is going anywhere. I’m in the let’s keep Dutchy at wing camp though, so playing him there means Stastny stays.
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Whilst I (hopefully) agree, what are your views on Duchene’s position in the future?
Do you think moving Duchene to wing is permanent or merely temporary?
I’m starting to come around to the idea of keeping him there permanently. Dutchy’s strengths are his speed and his shot. He has some playmaking ability and is okay on defense, but he’s definitely weaker in those areas than O’Reilly and Stastny. When he’s out on the wing, he has more room to move, to skate, to shoot. There’s also less of a defensive responsibility and he seems to have less of a “you have to do everything!” mentality when he’s out there.
He’s a great injury fill-in if Stazz or Radar goes down, but I’m starting to like the idea of condensing our talent into our Top 6 instead of Top 9 and keeping Dutchy as a winger.
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I could see Duchene centering a line in the future, however I think that if he did I would try to deploy it like the Sedin’s are in Vancouver – with zone-starts heavily skewed towards the offensive zone so he can utilise his strengths.
A line of this sort would, imo have a different skill-set than Stastny or O’Reilly-centered lines.
Shattenkirk v Johnson
Just adding to AJ’s analysis above, it should be remembered that Shattenkirk, in addition to being sheltered, is getting very lucky this year.
Case in point: Shattenkirk’s PDO (Save percentage + shooting percentage) is 1034. Johnson’s PDO is 988, indicating he is slightly ‘unlucky’ this year. This difference is largely due to the save percentage of STL when Shattenkirk is on ice which is .955% – which is very high, even if you account for the fact he is playing against scrubs. Thus, this helps explain why Shattenkirk’s +/- is so good.
by HugoAgogo on Feb 20, 2012 3:05 PM MST reply actions 4 recs
JibbleAgogo?
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by Bob in Boulder on Feb 20, 2012 3:13 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
and also helps show why +/- is a useless stat.
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by ProfessorOak on Feb 20, 2012 3:21 PM MST up reply actions
Rec'd like a boss
Maybe
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Feb 20, 2012 8:17 PM MST up reply actions
Jibbles rec’ing a post that is based on his corruption of us all to PDO. Go figure lol
I actually really like that stat though. It’s not perfect (no stat is), but it does seem to work pretty well. And I agree with the EJ / Shatty analysis too. The sv% against EJ has been very high this year, and now it seems as if he’s regressing to the mean with his 3 goals in the past 4 games.
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If the Blues dump Stewie off on someone at the deadline, how does that effect who won? or if the Avs move McClement?
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Feb 20, 2012 3:33 PM MST reply actions
I’d cry if they moved Silent Jay
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by ProfessorOak on Feb 20, 2012 4:52 PM MST up reply actions
If we had to look back
I think the Johnson trade was a win for us. Stewart likely won’t be back if he’s not traded since he’s a RFA. McClement has been a solid 4th line center, and could play there for a while. Duncan Siemens is exponentially better than what we could have gotten at #32.
The Anderson trade was good for us too. It got rid of his horrible butt, and Elliot is doing great in St. Louis. Plus now we have a solid future goalie and a short term stud in Jiggy. Varlamov would never have been an Av if there was still Sherman’s love affair for Craig Anderson going on (he had one because he looked smart in 2010 for signing him)
Roll Tide, Just Win Baby, Avs and Nuggets too
Great write up Andi.
I’ve always loved the EJ trade. Getting a potential franchise defenseman doesn’t happen every day, and when you got a chance, even a bit of a risk, like EJ, you go for it. I have few arguments with what Sherman has done, including the Andy trade and getting Varly, but it all comes down to will the owners put the money up in free agency. While our core is not bad, our talent level is not overly high, but if the Avs got Semin, who I actually like better than Parise, because I think he’s a great scorer and his right hand shot compliments what the Avs currently have and would give Varly someone to talk to, and got Suter, the deals Sherman has made would make even more sense. I don’t want trades happening, right now. I think they’d be counterproductive to the development of the team. There’s talk of trading Jiggy, but his value to Varly and the Avs is too important to let him go. Quincey is the only player of value I’d consider letting go, but must be a great deal for the Avs. I hope we stay put and put some of that cap money being squirreled away into use for top end FA’s. I most certainly believe the Avs have every chance of signing the big name free agents, but they have to be aggressive, show the money, and just go for it. It’s time to do that.
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