Steve Downie is the newest Colorado Avalanche Player
by Sandie Gauthier on Feb 21, 2012 1:58 PM MST
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We'd like to take a minute, just sit right there. TSN.ca has announced that the Colorado Avalanche have acquired Steve Downie. They haven't released what the Avs gave up to get him. Details to follow.
Bob McKenzie is saying that to get Downie, the Avs gave Kyle Quincey.
The Lightning then flipped Quincey to the Detroit Red Wings for Detroit's 2012 first round pick.
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Do. Not. Get.
When hell freezes over, I'll play hockey there, too.
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I know, right.
If we were going to a Lightning why couldn’t it be Marty… ?
It's all about Winnik
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by Sandie Gauthier on Feb 21, 2012 2:01 PM MST up reply actions
But so good.
It's all about Winnik
"Hockey just never stops, It’s like rock ‘n’ roll — it’s relentless." - Alice Cooper
by Sandie Gauthier on Feb 21, 2012 9:02 PM MST up reply actions
Um.... who?
I’m guessing by the reaction, he’s not our Top 6 guy.
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No, he’s not. It’s a bottom 6, Kobasew like addition.
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He can fill in for the top 6 as depth. Or if we roll 3 top lines with Duchene at center, then Downie wouldn’t be out of place.
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by MalachiConstant on Feb 21, 2012 4:47 PM MST up reply actions
Not even close! Kobasew is a 29-year old with 25 goals and 72 penalty minutes in the last three years. Downie is only 24 and has 44 goals and 500 PIM in the past three years (compare to McLeod’s 15 goals and 463 PIM). This was a good trade. We got younger and tougher, added scoring and opened up space for our upcoming young defensemen.
Varly doesn't seem to like him
He called him dirty player last year.
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Well now he can be dirty to playres who hurt Varly.
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If you can’t beat them, might as well have them stand in front of your goalie instead.
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I'm not sure of the value...
…but this is one good thing.
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by Tempestuous Binary on Feb 21, 2012 2:13 PM MST up reply actions
QUINCEY!?
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28 points this year…
I hear that Matt Duchene guy is pretty good
by patrit19 on Feb 21, 2012 2:07 PM MST via iPhone app reply actions
Okay, I know he’s 24 and has a lot of time to develop and 28 points is decent, but really? Quincey?
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COL trades Kyle Quincey to TB for Downie.
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Are we over-valuing Quincey?
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Liles only got the Avs a second-rounder *grumble Grimble(
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by Sandie Gauthier on Feb 21, 2012 2:12 PM MST up reply actions
Maybe just a little bit…
I hear that Matt Duchene guy is pretty good
by patrit19 on Feb 21, 2012 2:13 PM MST via iPhone app up reply actions
possible
when you have bias for a certain team, that can easily happen.
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Very easy. I think a lot of Avs fans overvalued him. He all of a sudden went from a guy that was ridden hard by fans (including me), making terrible mistakes, and taking terrible penalties to a solid #2-#3 defensemen that was somehow worth J.v.R.
I think the value here is spot on. I like the trade. While I agree Avs have a stockpile of bottom 6 players, I don’t think they had the right bottom 6 players. They lack a truly gritty bottom 6 outside of McLeod and good Galiardi, and that’s just sad.
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Could be… I guess I don’t know a whole lot about where Downie will fit in.. You guys say bottom six guy but it looks like he plays a lot with stamkos on his highlight video
Draft Pick?
Are the Avs getting a draft pick with Downie? Downie straight up for Quincey = a fleecing by Tampa. Crap!
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Does the fan base/blog over-value Quincey?
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Highly, IMO.
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I am now hearing TB has traded Kyle Quincey to DET. Working on details but sounds like Quincey to DET for a first-round pick. Verifying.
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So we got Downie for Quincey when his actual value was a 1st?
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Which is exactly what the Avs got. A late first round pick that is young and still developing but capable of playing in the NHL already, while Tampa just got the possibility to pick a player that could develop into an NHL regular.
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Confirmed. TB trades Kyle Quincey for DET’s first round pick.
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Let it pan out, then, I might have to go re-think things.
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fuck that. fuck this team. fucking steve downie is one of the dirtiest players in the league. i hate him and he sucks. he’s fucking darcy tucker come again.
quincey was a young solid #2-#3 defenseman that played at both ends well. downie is a dime a dozen agitating shithead winger that can pot 15 a season.
sherman just got taken to the fucking cleaners. the only context this makes sense in is…money. quincey was due for a raise to ~4m, downie will make closer to 2-3m.
fuck this team. kiss your dreams of ufa wingers goodbye.
How about you let the entire trade week play out first though. It sems peculiar.
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What seems peculiar is doc could be right. If he is I share his sentiments. (I already share his evaluation of Downie)
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I agree, but I am perplexed by the trade. I think Free Agency is different and I would be very surprised if Sherman is done.
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I really hope Detoilet or TB don’t get Any of the big FA’s. But I have a sinking feeling that they will and the Avs will be left with more Kobasew next season. I’m willing to give it time, but that feeling is still there.
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Lebrun tweeted that a GM told him that he thinks the Avs will be very active at the deadline
I hear that Matt Duchene guy is pretty good
by patrit19 on Feb 21, 2012 2:45 PM MST via iPhone app up reply actions
how about we take the trade at face value instead of trying to rationalize. in a vacuum, this trade is one of the worst I’ve ever seen. Hal Gill gets a 2nd and a 4th. we get steve. fucking. downie. hell, even TB gets a 1st for Quincey.
Hal Gill >> Quincey.
Downie >> you think he is.
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you’re going to have to support those statements. I disagree with both. Quincey has higher ice time than Gill by an incredible margin (16 vs. 22). Quincey can shoot, pass, and skate. the SS Hal Gill cannot. Quincey is young. Gill is old. Quincey is still an RFA at season’s end, Gill is a UFA.
it’s not even close.
and Downie, he of the 53 goals in 252 games. That’s a GPG around Porter and Kobasew. Great. He’s on pace for the same number of goals as horrible disappointment David Jones this year. and he is a horrible human being. yeah, he’s so much better than i thought.
by thedoctor on Feb 21, 2012 2:54 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
this
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by Cole D Hamilton on Feb 21, 2012 3:29 PM MST up reply actions
If bob mckenzie is right, the Wings and Bolts are just flat out trolling us
I hear that Matt Duchene guy is pretty good
by patrit19 on Feb 21, 2012 2:18 PM MST via iPhone app reply actions
yeah.
it’s kinda lol -tastic
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by Sandie Gauthier on Feb 21, 2012 2:21 PM MST up reply actions
Downie pts. over the last three years (only in NHL): 46, 32, 28. His shot% in ‘09 was 19%, though, so that’s not likely sustainable.
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by Tempestuous Binary on Feb 21, 2012 2:18 PM MST reply actions
He’s been injured though as well
I hear that Matt Duchene guy is pretty good
by patrit19 on Feb 21, 2012 2:20 PM MST via iPhone app up reply actions
Did not know that.
Also worth mentioning: he has 4 goals in his last 5 games.
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The 2011-2012 Colorado Avalanche: there will be blood and there will be wins. Maybe.
"God I'm excited for those two to fail miserably." - SBNation writer Andrew Sharp on Josh McDaniels and Tim Tebow.
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by Tempestuous Binary on Feb 21, 2012 2:22 PM MST up reply actions
I am not sure how Downie compares to the 25th overall pick really.
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I'm gonna have to say it again...
Teams and fans overvalue draft picks. The 25th overall does not have any value but the one you give it (i.e. it’s worth more to some than others). Downie has actual value right now, but the draft pick is nothing but the promise that one day in the future you’ll be getting to chance to pick a player, good and bad.
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"God I'm excited for those two to fail miserably." - SBNation writer Andrew Sharp on Josh McDaniels and Tim Tebow.
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by Tempestuous Binary on Feb 21, 2012 2:26 PM MST up reply actions
If the price for Downie was a 1st overall pick, the Avs found a piece worth that I guess.
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Say that was the price...
The Avs essentially traded Quincey to the Wings for a low-1st. And then took that 1st and traded it for Downie.
That’s what it is. Ask yourself:
1. Is Quincey worth a low-first?
2. Is Downie worth a low-first?
The Avs believe the answer to both is yes.
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by Tempestuous Binary on Feb 21, 2012 2:30 PM MST up reply actions
Tampa bay to Detroit: “We’ll give you Downie for your first round pick”
Detroit: “No F’ing way! Go screw with someone else.”
Tampa (thinking): Which team has a gullible GM who would give us something detroit wants for as little as possible.. Of Course! Greg Sherman!!
by SCP on Feb 21, 2012 2:28 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
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Here’s why Stevie Y is busy…. @erlendssontrib: This now gives #tblightning 2 first-rd picks and possibly 4, 2nd-rd picks #LoadingUpOnPicks
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I’m still convinced Greg from accounting has something up his sleeve …
I hear that Matt Duchene guy is pretty good
by patrit19 on Feb 21, 2012 2:30 PM MST via iPhone app reply actions
Notice how Duchene didn’t wish Quincey good luck in Detroit. Good for him?
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by Sandie Gauthier on Feb 21, 2012 2:31 PM MST up reply actions
My confusion comes, not in the whether the value was even or whether Downie is worth Quincey, but Sherman spent time and money building a defensive core and then traded a piece away. Unless he’s going to get something else, it seems very odd to me.
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by Sandie Gauthier on Feb 21, 2012 2:36 PM MST up reply actions
People...
Remember when you wanted Sherman fired for the Cohen trade?
Remember when you wanted Sherman fired for acquiring Johnson?
Remember when just a day ago some of you were commending Sherman for his savvy trading?
This is a good time to remember to not jump off the ledge.
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by Tempestuous Binary on Feb 21, 2012 2:33 PM MST reply actions 7 recs
Remember when you wanted Sherman fired for the Cohen trade?
still a bad trade. I don’t care if he never plays, Cohen had more value than that. And Hunwick should never have been something we actively traded for, he doesn’t belong in the league.
Remember when you wanted Sherman fired for acquiring Johnson?
that trade was and is fair. I wasn’t one of them.
Remember when just a day ago some of you were commending Sherman for his savvy trading?
he’s been a mixed bag. some good, some bad. this one? it sucks.
Downie is a lot like Clarkson from the Devil’s, A tough guy who does have talent. Former first round pick if I’m not mistaken. I like the trade, we have too many defenseman and needed to get a scorer out of this and Downie can do that. He also makes us tougher overall which I think we needed.
My Johnson is better than your Johnson.
29th overall.
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The 2011-2012 Colorado Avalanche: there will be blood and there will be wins. Maybe.
"God I'm excited for those two to fail miserably." - SBNation writer Andrew Sharp on Josh McDaniels and Tim Tebow.
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by Tempestuous Binary on Feb 21, 2012 2:34 PM MST up reply actions
So the range of Detroit’s likely pick.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
I was going to make a joke about the Avs trading Quincey for a 1st...
Only, that 1st was already decided.
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The 2011-2012 Colorado Avalanche: there will be blood and there will be wins. Maybe.
"God I'm excited for those two to fail miserably." - SBNation writer Andrew Sharp on Josh McDaniels and Tim Tebow.
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by Tempestuous Binary on Feb 21, 2012 2:37 PM MST up reply actions
Bets on Elliott or Barrie?
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Barrie was an experiment. My bets on Elliott
I hear that Matt Duchene guy is pretty good
by patrit19 on Feb 21, 2012 2:54 PM MST via iPhone app up reply actions
Downie was very good in the playoffs last year. And the Bolts in general haven’t been good this year so his stats aren’t that bad. I don’t think we’re giving Downie enough credit
I hear that Matt Duchene guy is pretty good
by patrit19 on Feb 21, 2012 2:54 PM MST via iPhone app reply actions
Tampa has made another trade it seems.
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yep
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The Lightning have acquired F Brandon Segal from Chicago in exchange for F Matt Fornataro.
prospects.
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Cynical Dater likes the trade?
I’ve been off all day and will stay off but my 2 cents: good deal by Avs. Quincey overpaid, didn’t produce, turnover prone. Downie tough
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
And Vokoun was for sure going to be playing for the Avs.
But that does comfort me a little. A little.
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What the hell
John Buccigross @Buccigross Interesting comments on Quincey from those that know- “big problem in the room. Bad guy. Never liked him.” Detroit must think they can deal.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
… I am not surprised. The Dude played Juniors with him… to say he didn’t have pleasant things to would be akin to say that I dislike Bertuzzi.
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by Sandie Gauthier on Feb 21, 2012 3:06 PM MST up reply actions
It seems like every trade the Avs make is related to some attitude problem in a way
I hear that Matt Duchene guy is pretty good
by patrit19 on Feb 21, 2012 3:08 PM MST via iPhone app up reply actions
Bottom line
If the Avs make the play-offs, no one will care. If Downie will help us get there more so than Quincey, then fine. We can gripe about salary cap floor and all that, but if he makes us better offensively, then it’s fine with me. And if Tampa fleeced Detroit for a high pick and a prospect, then so be it. Maybe the Wings traded from a position of need, and so overpaid because of that.
Small defencemen? What small defencemen?
Sorry friend, the Avs aren’t making the playoffs.
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Can’t we wait a few weeks to proclaim that?
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That’s absurd, sorry. It might be over. It might not. They need to go 13- 6-3. Unless i’m mistaken, they’ve done similar runs before.
I am not holding my breath, but I don’t believe in finality until it’s tanigble.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
Well, I said they were going to when the season began, so I’ll bite the bullet and stick with it. I think they figure it out, get some more clutch goals (with the help of Downie), gain some confidence, get on another hot streak, and sneak in. I have RAILED on Sherman in the past. I really, really want to see this play out. Understand your pessimism though.
Small defencemen? What small defencemen?
If you think about it, all we lost was Quincey, a defenseman on a team that is deep on defense, and got Downie. Who knows, Detroit may not have wanted to trade us the pick anyways.
I hear that Matt Duchene guy is pretty good
by patrit19 on Feb 21, 2012 3:18 PM MST via iPhone app reply actions
Back of the Jersey
Downie wore #9 in TB. That number is pretty well claimed in Col. What number do you think he’ll wear?
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Gut reaction is 29. Don’t know why, but that’s my blind guess.
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Hmmmmmm
I like Downie, tough players who can score every once in a while. Trading your TOI leader seems odd for a borderline second line winger. There had to be better offer out there for Q, hope there is more to come at the deadline.
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