A Brief Commentary on the Steve Downie Trade
No matter the situation, it always surprises me how people think without context. I've spoken on this issue before, that one must (tentatively) judge decisions in the contexts of needs and limitations of the situation.
Today, the Colorado Avalanche dealt Kyle Quincey to the Tampa Bay Lightning for Steve Downie. The Lightning then flipped Quincey to Detroit for a 1st rounder. Hey-oh!
Most of the feedback I've seen has been negative. I'd like to contend that this deal is a good one for Greg Sherman and the Avalanche.
A quick look at the Avalanche roster (pre-trade) shows that we have a healthy amount of defensemen, obviously. We knew one of them was gonna be moved, and we knew it was fairly likely it could be Quincey. A lot of people contended it SHOULD be Quincey. So, we were dealing from a position within which we have a surplus. However, when you look at the roster, we clearly needed size up front. In terms of grit, we only had Cody McLeod, and in terms of power forwards we have Landeskog, Winnik (not a scorer by any means) and MAYBE Jones (and we all know how he's been this season). We needed a guy who could rough it up and be a pest in the offensive zone, and battle for the puck. Galiardi was supposed to be, but hasn't been, that guy. He's been great in terms of grittiness, but not in terms of production. Downie has 28 points this season, good for 5th on the current Avs roster in scoring. We need a player like Downie. As Aaron Musick remarked on twitter, Downie made him think of Claude Lemieux in that he could get under the opponent's skin, and also score. The Avs clearly needed a guy like Downie.Meanwhile, Quincey was our dman with the highest ice time. However, he hasn't been spectacular as of late, I'd argue he's been average. He was testy when he was injured and not getting playing time earlier in the season. He has 23 points that will be missed on the defensive side, but we also have Elliott (who will probably be with the club full time now), not to mention Barrie, and EJ (who has been playing like his number one defenseman label as of late). Quincey was also overpaid, as we all know.
So most people are looking at this as "Does Downie = Quincey"? If you consider the needs and the circumstances, yes.
Now, more people are concerned that Quincey was THEN flipped to Detroit for a first rounder, and that is their biggest gripe with it. If they could get a 1st for him, why couldn't we? Well:
- Quincey's not worth a first, the Wings offered it because we all know they don't need theirs this year.
- I'd consider Downie is better than the 29th/30th pick in the draft, which is probably what that pick will be.
- Having traded off Pavel Kubina, the Lightning needed a dman (especially with their goaltending situation), so the Wings would have had to put a little more oomph on that kind of deal to get him.
- The Wings are comfortably in the playoffs and as such are buyers, so that kind of pick is more expendable, and they did not want to give up any actual players for fear of breaking chemistry. I suppose they could have included a minor league guy to go with a second instead, but I guess that's up to people who are truly idiosyncratic to decide.
- We would not have been able to get that return for Quincey in OUR context; we were dealing from a position of surplus.
- We needed some salary coming back in the deal; remember how close we are to the cap.
So I invite all Avs fans to once again look past the knee jerk reaction, because the bottom line is we still have a good defense, still have offensive dmen, and now we have the gritty tough pest that we've needed for quite a while.
As for the next week, I believe this sets up more deals, who knows who will be dealt, though. I'd like to see some guys on the 3rd/4th lines who can actually score, personally; when our third or fourth line is on the ice right now, I always find myself counting down til the Stastny/Radar/Duchene lines are out, since I know we can't score with any others.
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A thoughtful and well-reasoned post, it will take some people a week to calm down and accept the clear picture you presented. Quincey was a horror-show the other night against the Peg, and was once again reverting to his Thing 2 style of play. He will make far more than Downie, so we have also freed up a little more room for CBA shenanigans and FA signings, while improving our forward grit and depth. This also frees up another RH forward (looking at you, Jonesy) to be part of another deal, possibly for a young, overlooked LH dman.
PS- Fuck the red wings.
Varly!
Very nice article. I think this trade will work out and I agree that this has the potential to set up more trades….mebe, you know how the front office can be. BUT HEY!! THEY SUPRISED ME HERE, by actually moving before the deadline.
by Avalanchefan86 on Feb 21, 2012 10:29 PM MST reply actions
Green or black?
PPPSSS – Indeed!
2011-2012 Lokomotiv Yaroslavl: Vyechnaya Pamyat!
2011-2012 Colorado Avalanche: Chances are rapidly diminishing that this will not suck.
Both.
Though I like putting the black ones on my fingertips and acting like an alien.
Andyray ArlyleCay
Kalamata for me, or the cannon ball green olives stuffed with Gorgonzola and floating in gin.
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by MalachiConstant on Feb 23, 2012 11:06 AM MST up reply actions
Clearly we are at different points in our refinement.
Andyray ArlyleCay
by Paul X on Feb 23, 2012 11:12 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
you got Paul X back!
"I see now that the circumstances of one's birth are irrelevant; it is what you do with the gift of life that determines who you are." - Mewtwo
by ProfessorOak on Feb 28, 2012 1:38 PM MST up reply actions
Yup. #$%^$@ Winkler!
Xylophone is spelled with an X, that's wrong, xylophone's zzzz, X? I don't f#@&in' see it. It should be a Z up front, next time you have to spell xylophone, use a Z. When someone says, "Hey that's wrong," say, "No it ain't. If you think that's wrong, you need to get your head Z-rayed." - Mitch Hedberg
I’m not excited about Downie. He racks up PIMs, which the Avs need to avoid getting more of, he’s already been the recipient of a significant suspension, and the refs seem to have him on their no-fly list.
Hopefully, he can help put points on the board more than he hurts in other ways.
This trade appears opportunistic to me. Quincy was likely not going to be re-signed and thus Lecroix/Sherman were looking to get any sort of value for him. Also, David Jones is reported to be on the auction block. That would make Downie his replacement.
It still does not address the one of the Avs larger needs of a top-six scoring winger.
Goalie Coach? Goalie Coach!?! We don't need no stinkin' Goalie Coach!
I agree with you. Not that I’m thinking we got ripped off, but I think Sherm could’ve got a pick added to the package too. Downie takes too many penalties, especially for a guy that’s been pegged to be part of the Avs pk unit. How’s he going to do that when he’s in the box? Hopefully Downie can play a tamed, high-energy game and contribute offensively while limiting his time in the penalty box. If he does that, I’ll be happy with the deal.
Wait! Who the heck are these guys?

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