Proof that Sacco is a bad coach.
by BraxtanFILM on Feb 3, 2012 8:29 PM MST
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PrintBear with me here, as there are several definitions and opinions of what "bad" is. To me, a bad coach is one who fails to adapt, to utilize his team's strengths, and too often plays into the opponent's system. Thanks to some quick research from patrit19, we have established that Colorado's record against their division under Sacco is as follows:
1st year: 10-11-3
2nd year: 7-16-1
3rd year: 2-12-1 (so far)
For a total of 19-39-5 (thanks Mike). Abysmal would be insulting to the word abysmal.
Why it means he's a bad coach: Other than the obvious (under .500), this is hard evidence of what many of us fans have speculated for a while now: He fails to adapt. The teams that know the Avs best (their division) have no problem beating them--and it's become worse and worse in each season, as teams become more and more familiar with the Avalanche style of play. Eastern teams? No clue how the Avs play--and the Avs eat them up.
It's time for Sacco to go. Will the Avs get someone better? Who knows. But at least for a while, maybe the division won't know exactly how to handle the Avs.
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Totally agree
Except any team that wanted to know how to play the Avs need only watch about 10 minutes of tape from any game played by the Avs under Sacco. Let’s see…they come across the redline and then they dump it into our zone, and then they chase the puck! Whoa! We better start working on some new defensive drills to prepare for this one!
I just don’t think teams outside the NW worry about the points from a meeting with the Avs. The teams in the NW division look at the Avs now as twelve easy points. It’s like goin to Dave and Busters, or chuck-e-cheese, or whatever. You find the machine that coughs up the most tickets every game and you play the living shit out of it every time you go, cuz you know it’s just gonna keep spitting out them tickets. Well, the Avs just happen to be the favorite skee ball machine of the NW division right now.
Sacco’s career record is right around .500. Granted, that’s not great, but let’s just say it’s an even .500. What matters more: how many wins the team gets agaisnt NW teams or how many wins the Avs finish with?
To me, it is necessary that the Avs play better against NW teams, but they are beating other, very good, teams.
I can’t understand where there is proof he doesn’t adapt though. If you watch the games, especially the last Edmonton game, he did adapt. He made changes and after the bad bad start, they almost came back. You are implying that Sacco is lucky the Eastern teams don’t see the Avs enough and that’s how they win. That’s a big specious because in this day and age of the NHL where every win counts, teams have video and scouting reports on teams they only play once a year.
If you judge a coach, good or bad, solely on how they do inter-division then that’s a tough game to play. But I would like you to show “in-game” proof that he doesn’t adapt “in game”. You can’t raelly say “oh well he loses to teams they play a lot, therefore he doesn’t adapt”. I think your point would be more valid if you can find video proof of a place where he could have adapted more. If you can find example, actual examples, of places where Sacco failed to adapt and could have won, I will agree.
People hate Sacco. I get that, but saying he’s a bad coach and doesn’t adapt is bullshit without proof. In life, you are not judge by result without proof that your actions caused that. There’s a logical gap here and the argument that “he loses to NW teams, ipso facto he doesn’t adapt in the game and is a bad coach” hold no credence to me.
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by c6hor8 on Feb 4, 2012 8:34 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
In life, you are not judge by result without proof that your actions caused that.
You obviously are not a teacher.
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haw.
At exactly what point do you start to realize that life without knowledge is death in disguise?
That I agree with. But, the record is very bizarre to me. There’s no reason, that I can see, why the NW teams would have SUCH a better read on the Avs then say San Jose or LA. I can’t imagine what in game adjustments would fix that against NW teams that wouldn’t happen/work against Eastern Conference and other Western teams.
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And what about firing him to send a message to the team. For the sake of a Blues like turnarround? Fact is that we are unsatisfied with the situation as it currently is and by doing nothing it won´t get better. Knowing that, i have to state that replacing a coach is much easier than replacing a team.
Other than the obvious (under .500), this is hard evidence of what many of us fans have speculated for a while now: He fails to adapt. The teams that know the Avs best (their division) have no problem beating them—and it’s become worse and worse in each season, as teams become more and more familiar with the Avalanche style of play. Eastern teams? No clue how the Avs play—and the Avs eat them up.
I don’t buy this for a second. Are you really insinuating that NHL teams don’t scout each other, including teams in other conferences? That the Eastern conference really just stumbles across the Mississippi and says “Gee, I wonder who we’re playing tonight? What do you think they’re like?” I absolutely do not buy this argument at all. And it’s not hard evidence of any adaptation failure, that’s speculation. It’s hard evidence of what it is: the Avs are much worse against their divisions than against other Western divisions, and much worse against their conference than the Eastern conference. Any guess for why that is is only a guess. I could have taken the first half of your column and said it’s evidence that Sacco fails to get his players motivated for big games. I could have taken the first half of your column and said it’s evidence Sacco tries too hard to get them motivated and they engage in stick-squeezing.
No, I’m gonna need more than this for sure.
At exactly what point do you start to realize that life without knowledge is death in disguise?
I thought you had hard evidence. Like a picture of him doing bad coaching.
by Pinchy The Lobster on Feb 4, 2012 2:46 PM MST reply actions 3 recs
Pencil mustache… uni-brow… a “how to screw up a hockey team for dummies” book on the coffee table…
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by Tony Trujillo on Feb 6, 2012 8:50 PM MST up reply actions
Gonna toss in a little example...
Denver Post article from January 18, 2012
Giguere:
“I think every team should have a full-time goalie coach. At the end of the day, a goalie can make you make the playoffs or not make the playoffs or win you a series or not,” Giguere said. “I still don’t understand why we don’t have a (full-time) goalie coach. A lot of organizations are like this, and it’s a bizarre situation if you ask me. It’s important to have a strong working relationship between the goalies and the goalie coach, to make sure that we’re all on the same page. The difference when the two goalies play should not be very noticeable, between the forwards and the D … It’s a relationship that’s very important to the goalie.”
Sacco:
Asked if he’s satisfied with McLean’s part-time status and goalie coaches in general, Sacco said: “I like the way we handle the workload for our goaltending coach. (McLean) spends probably two, 2½ weeks out of the month with us. He also goes down and sees the Lake Erie goaltenders, and the guys we drafted. I personally don’t think we need to have him here all the time. I think sometimes that becomes overbearing.”
Huh? Overbearing to who?
Okay, so the Conn Smythe, Stanley Cup winning veteran goalie says the team needs a full-time goalie coach. The 3 year, never played the position, hasn’t proven shit coach says nah, we don’t need no stinkin full-time goalie coach. Sacco is either arrogant, or doesn’t listen to his veteran players that might know a thing or two. Either way, there is a fine example of full-on, hard-nose, no grey-area evidence that this coach has no fuckin idea what this team needs or which direction to lead it.
Sacco is either arrogant, or doesn’t listen to his veteran players that might know a thing or two.
Or he is toeing the company line trying to keep his job. Maybe he doesn’t want to piss off his boss(es) who have told him they aren’t interested in hiring a goalie coach full time?
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If that’s the case, I really want him gone! A coach that doesn’t call to attention the needs of his team (especially if it is having trouble), is a self preserving a-hole! Imagine being Jiggy reading the Denver Post article. “Wow, my own coach doesn’t respect and stand behind my professional assessment?” If I were Jiggy, I’d feel like I just got smacked in the face! Of course we probably will never know what was said between the two after the article was published, but it sure lends to some other questions we have had about Sacco’s differences with other players.
I’m not saying Sacco has to go all “Don Cherry” about the needs of his team, but for shits sake Joe, back-up what your guys are saying! There are tactful ways to go about relaying your concerns with the team publicly, but good ‘ol Joe just doesn’t seem like he gives a flyin hoot! And yes, I do watch the coaches post game. It’s easy to call out the individual players that F-up, they aren’t signing your paycheck. And if the front office has him handcuffed, he should quit. The current road he’s on ain’t gonna keep him in the NHL too long as more than a scout or A-coach if he’s lucky. Everyone knows what this team needs and somebody’s gotta put their foot down and demand it! Well coach you’re driving this bus!
by I am not food on Feb 4, 2012 8:55 PM MST up reply actions
Look, I believe and respect everything J(G)iggy said regarding a goalie coach. However, let’s put a grain of salt in that statement and understand that he’s almost ALWAYS had one and that there is a very good chance that he will one the job of goalie coach for some team not too long after his playing days are done. It’s a growth industry dominated by former players. What if he’s just angling for a job by professing his own personal opinion? Nothing wrong with that, but let’s not anoint him as 100% altruistic by that statement.
However, if Sacco ever says something about Varly needs to be better and somehow alludes to it being a result of inexperience and someone doesn’t IMMEDIATELY call him on his bullshit due to his statement on overbearing goaltending coaching I’ll be very disappointed.
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by Mike @ MHH on Feb 6, 2012 10:16 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
How the heck can you say that Sacco hasn’t adapted?
Offense: Completely different style from the last two years. Not so great at finishing right now, but made Vancouver look ridiculous with the amount of puck possession and shots on goal.
Defense: Enormously better than the last two years. Night and day difference. Actually support each other on the ice now.
Given that the team plays a completely different style of game on both sides of the ice than either of his first two years behind the bench, how does it make any sense whatsoever to say that he’s not adaptable?
I agree. His coaching style has changed drastically this year, going from the run-and-gun approach from the last two years to a puck possession one. It’s been a slow process, but he has adapted and gotten the boys to buy into it.
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How can I say that? With the numbers. That is all.
Maybe I’m wrong…but numbers don’t lie, and right now, the results look bad.
Even though we are way below .500 in our division, we are just under .500 as a whole, which is what actually matters. Sacco has coached this team into a playoff race while the team has under-achieved, and been unhealthy (Mules and Duchene).
Wise men wonder while strong men die.
But why has the team underachieved? And why, year after year, do we always think it’s underachieving (especially in the 2nd half)?
Steve brings up a good point—maybe it is the video staff and scouting. But I doubt it.
Underachieved?
This team has overachieved, especially in light of bad performances from its key players. It overachieved two seasons ago. It met expectations last year.
by DiD on Feb 6, 2012 3:32 PM MST up reply actions
Totally agree 100%
Except how other teams in the division have improved
and also adapted
and also luck
and corsi
and that.
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If you want to add luck and corsi to a statistic backed debate, then there is no point. Luck always plays a role…the problem with luck is, you never know what you’re going to get!
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by Hopfenkopf on Feb 7, 2012 12:50 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
So by this logic:
If the Avs beat every NW division team every game, but lost every other game to every other team that they faced, Sacco would be a good coach then?
I don’t dispute the importance of winning divisional games, but coaching (and playing, for that matter) is so multifaceted, that one stat cannot and does not determine whether a player is “good” or not
No, that would be completely different. But his logic does, in the real world (not speculative internet board chatter) prove by the numbers, that teams familiar with his system the most beat the Avs fairly easily.
This logic does not conveniently reverse to prove a counterpoint. It’s circumstantial.
I think you’re confusing correlation with causation. There is a correlation between losing and NW Division teams, but there is no way from that information to prove any kind of causation. You can hypothesize that it’s because the NW Division teams have more intel on the Avs (and further hypothesize that Sacco does not adapt), but simply losing more to those teams than others does not prove anything other than a correlation between losing and NW Division teams.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Feb 6, 2012 1:10 PM MST up reply actions
<3 Although to counter this, if i ran these numbers, albeit a small sample size, they might be close to being significant (less than .05).
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They still wouldn’t prove anything. There’s no way to connect the losses to Sacco as there are waaaaaaay to many variables that cannot be eliminated.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Feb 6, 2012 5:50 PM MST up reply actions
I think you absolutely can connect those losses to Sacco. Sure there are statistics, blah… blah… blah, but sports can’t be explained by pure statistics. That’s the beauty of sports. The fact of the matter is, over the past three years this division has been owning the Avs, and the trend is not favorable. A good coach finds a way to fix that…. STAT (it means fast)… A good coach should be the causation of wins, and not be saved by the potential that his team’s shittyness is a correlation… Not solving the variables gets coaches fired.
One variable that can easily be eliminated is Sacco himself. I think he deserves a shot with a pair of top flight lines that scare more than a bunny, but I also think that coaches of Sacco’s caliber are a dime a dozen…
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by Cheryl Bradley on Feb 9, 2012 3:12 PM MST up reply actions
Seriously.. Two good points made in this.
Seriously.. Two good points made in this.1.) Sacco’s comments on getting a goalie coach. (When I read that I literally thought he sounded like a retard after seeing what Jiggy said and reading the posts here at MHH.)
Seriously.. Two good points made in this.1.) Sacco’s comments on getting a goalie coach. (When I read that I literally thought he sounded like a retard after seeing what Jiggy said and reading the posts here at MHH.)2.) Our W/L record against NW DIV teams. (Brax makes a good point.. If his point is speculation SO IS ANY COUNTER ARGUMENT on Sacco being any good. We do know one thing though? WE LOSE A LOT with him as our coach against our DIV.)
Seriously.. Two good points made in this.1.) Sacco’s comments on getting a goalie coach. (When I read that I literally thought he sounded like a retard after seeing what Jiggy said and reading the posts here at MHH.)2.) Our W/L record against NW DIV teams. (Brax makes a good point.. If his point is speculation SO IS ANY COUNTER ARGUMENT on Sacco being any good. We do know one thing though? WE LOSE A LOT with him as our coach against our DIV.)Let me add a 3rd..
Seriously.. Two good points made in this.1.) Sacco’s comments on getting a goalie coach. (When I read that I literally thought he sounded like a retard after seeing what Jiggy said and reading the posts here at MHH.)2.) Our W/L record against NW DIV teams. (Brax makes a good point.. If his point is speculation SO IS ANY COUNTER ARGUMENT on Sacco being any good. We do know one thing though? WE LOSE A LOT with him as our coach against our DIV.)Let me add a 3rd..I don’t know if it’s completely up to Sacco or not or exactly how it works. BUT I am sorry.. The fact that Barrie was not called up in time to make the last game is BS. I would assume personal changes like that at least start with the COACH. Fn BS.. I am also kind of pissed we didn’t take a flyer on C. O’Reilly but that’s the Shermanator..
Seriously.. Two good points made in this.1.) Sacco’s comments on getting a goalie coach. (When I read that I literally thought he sounded like a retard after seeing what Jiggy said and reading the posts here at MHH.)2.) Our W/L record against NW DIV teams. (Brax makes a good point.. If his point is speculation SO IS ANY COUNTER ARGUMENT on Sacco being any good. We do know one thing though? WE LOSE A LOT with him as our coach against our DIV.)Let me add a 3rd..I don’t know if it’s completely up to Sacco or not or exactly how it works. BUT I am sorry.. The fact that Barrie was not called up in time to make the last game is BS. I would assume personal changes like that at least start with the COACH. Fn BS.. I am also kind of pissed we didn’t take a flyer on C. O’Reilly but that’s the Shermanator..I would not have minded seeing Hejduk moved up with Stastny and C. O’Reilly tried on Radar’s wing. Allowing us to have a legit 3rd line (Galiardi – McC – Winnik) and maybe sparking Hejduk a little. Cal could of easily became a good bottom 6 guy at least.
Seriously.. Two good points made in this.1.) Sacco’s comments on getting a goalie coach. (When I read that I literally thought he sounded like a retard after seeing what Jiggy said and reading the posts here at MHH.)2.) Our W/L record against NW DIV teams. (Brax makes a good point.. If his point is speculation SO IS ANY COUNTER ARGUMENT on Sacco being any good. We do know one thing though? WE LOSE A LOT with him as our coach against our DIV.)Let me add a 3rd..I don’t know if it’s completely up to Sacco or not or exactly how it works. BUT I am sorry.. The fact that Barrie was not called up in time to make the last game is BS. I would assume personal changes like that at least start with the COACH. Fn BS.. I am also kind of pissed we didn’t take a flyer on C. O’Reilly but that’s the Shermanator..I would not have minded seeing Hejduk moved up with Stastny and C. O’Reilly tried on Radar’s wing. Allowing us to have a legit 3rd line (Galiardi – McC – Winnik) and maybe sparking Hejduk a little. Cal could of easily became a good bottom 6 guy at least.You know what? Just because I am as much of a hater as I am.. I am going to that Da Sherm asked Da Sack if he could use C. O’Reilly and Sacco said.. Nah.. “It would be to overbearing to have that many natural centers on the team.” (Cough.. Chemistry.. Cough.. Convert to wing.. Cough TRY SOMETHING FOR FUCK SAKES! HE WAS GOOD ENOUGH FOR THE PENS!!?)
Seriously.. Two good points made in this.1.) Sacco’s comments on getting a goalie coach. (When I read that I literally thought he sounded like a retard after seeing what Jiggy said and reading the posts here at MHH.)2.) Our W/L record against NW DIV teams. (Brax makes a good point.. If his point is speculation SO IS ANY COUNTER ARGUMENT on Sacco being any good. We do know one thing though? WE LOSE A LOT with him as our coach against our DIV.)Let me add a 3rd..I don’t know if it’s completely up to Sacco or not or exactly how it works. BUT I am sorry.. The fact that Barrie was not called up in time to make the last game is BS. I would assume personal changes like that at least start with the COACH. Fn BS.. I am also kind of pissed we didn’t take a flyer on C. O’Reilly but that’s the Shermanator..I would not have minded seeing Hejduk moved up with Stastny and C. O’Reilly tried on Radar’s wing. Allowing us to have a legit 3rd line (Galiardi – McC – Winnik) and maybe sparking Hejduk a little. Cal could of easily became a good bottom 6 guy at least.You know what? Just because I am as much of a hater as I am.. I am going to that Da Sherm asked Da Sack if he could use C. O’Reilly and Sacco said.. Nah.. “It would be to overbearing to have that many natural centers on the team.” (Cough.. Chemistry.. Cough.. Convert to wing.. Cough TRY SOMETHING FOR FUCK SAKES! HE WAS GOOD ENOUGH FOR THE PENS!!?)If you can speculate that Sacco is good with no proof. I/we can speculate that he sucks with no real proof.. Thanks <3
Holy bat shit.. My rage must have multiplied the post some how! Fixors below
Seriously.. Two good points made in this.
Seriously.. Two good points made in this.1.) Sacco’s comments on getting a goalie coach. (When I read that I literally thought he sounded like a retard after seeing what Jiggy said and reading the posts here at MHH.)
Seriously.. Two good points made in this.1.) Sacco’s comments on getting a goalie coach. (When I read that I literally thought he sounded like a retard after seeing what Jiggy said and reading the posts here at MHH.)2.) Our W/L record against NW DIV teams. (Brax makes a good point.. If his point is speculation SO IS ANY COUNTER ARGUMENT on Sacco being any good. We do know one thing though? WE LOSE A LOT with him as our coach against our DIV.)
Seriously.. Two good points made in this.1.) Sacco’s comments on getting a goalie coach. (When I read that I literally thought he sounded like a retard after seeing what Jiggy said and reading the posts here at MHH.)2.) Our W/L record against NW DIV teams. (Brax makes a good point.. If his point is speculation SO IS ANY COUNTER ARGUMENT on Sacco being any good. We do know one thing though? WE LOSE A LOT with him as our coach against our DIV.)Let me add a 3rd..
Seriously.. Two good points made in this.1.) Sacco’s comments on getting a goalie coach. (When I read that I literally thought he sounded like a retard after seeing what Jiggy said and reading the posts here at MHH.)2.) Our W/L record against NW DIV teams. (Brax makes a good point.. If his point is speculation SO IS ANY COUNTER ARGUMENT on Sacco being any good. We do know one thing though? WE LOSE A LOT with him as our coach against our DIV.)Let me add a 3rd..I don’t know if it’s completely up to Sacco or not or exactly how it works. BUT I am sorry.. The fact that Barrie was not called up in time to make the last game is BS. I would assume personal changes like that at least start with the COACH. Fn BS..
Seriously.. Two good points made in this.1.) Sacco’s comments on getting a goalie coach. (When I read that I literally thought he sounded like a retard after seeing what Jiggy said and reading the posts here at MHH.)2.) Our W/L record against NW DIV teams. (Brax makes a good point.. If his point is speculation SO IS ANY COUNTER ARGUMENT on Sacco being any good. We do know one thing though? WE LOSE A LOT with him as our coach against our DIV.)Let me add a 3rd..I don’t know if it’s completely up to Sacco or not or exactly how it works. BUT I am sorry.. The fact that Barrie was not called up in time to make the last game is BS. I would assume personal changes like that at least start with the COACH. Fn BS..I am also kind of pissed we didn’t take a flyer on C. O’Reilly but that’s the Shermanator. I would not have minded seeing Hejduk moved up with Stastny and C. O’Reilly tried on Radar’s wing. Allowing us to have a legit 3rd line (Galiardi – McC – Winnik) and maybe sparking Hejduk a little. Cal could of easily became a good bottom 6 guy at least.
Seriously.. Two good points made in this.1.) Sacco’s comments on getting a goalie coach. (When I read that I literally thought he sounded like a retard after seeing what Jiggy said and reading the posts here at MHH.)2.) Our W/L record against NW DIV teams. (Brax makes a good point.. If his point is speculation SO IS ANY COUNTER ARGUMENT on Sacco being any good. We do know one thing though? WE LOSE A LOT with him as our coach against our DIV.)Let me add a 3rd..I don’t know if it’s completely up to Sacco or not or exactly how it works. BUT I am sorry.. The fact that Barrie was not called up in time to make the last game is BS. I would assume personal changes like that at least start with the COACH. Fn BS..I am also kind of pissed we didn’t take a flyer on C. O’Reilly but that’s the Shermanator. I would not have minded seeing Hejduk moved up with Stastny and C. O’Reilly tried on Radar’s wing. Allowing us to have a legit 3rd line (Galiardi – McC – Winnik) and maybe sparking Hejduk a little. Cal could of easily became a good bottom 6 guy at least.You know what? Just because I am as much of a hater as I am.. I am going to say that Da Sherm asked Da Sack if he could use C. O’Reilly and Sacco said.. Nah.. "It would be to overbearing to have that many natural centers on the team." (Cough.. Chemistry.. Cough.. Convert to wing.. Cough TRY SOMETHING FOR FUCK SAKES! HE WAS GOOD ENOUGH FOR THE PENS!!?)
Seriously.. Two good points made in this.1.) Sacco’s comments on getting a goalie coach. (When I read that I literally thought he sounded like a retard after seeing what Jiggy said and reading the posts here at MHH.)2.) Our W/L record against NW DIV teams. (Brax makes a good point.. If his point is speculation SO IS ANY COUNTER ARGUMENT on Sacco being any good. We do know one thing though? WE LOSE A LOT with him as our coach against our DIV.)Let me add a 3rd..I don’t know if it’s completely up to Sacco or not or exactly how it works. BUT I am sorry.. The fact that Barrie was not called up in time to make the last game is BS. I would assume personal changes like that at least start with the COACH. Fn BS..I am also kind of pissed we didn’t take a flyer on C. O’Reilly but that’s the Shermanator. I would not have minded seeing Hejduk moved up with Stastny and C. O’Reilly tried on Radar’s wing. Allowing us to have a legit 3rd line (Galiardi – McC – Winnik) and maybe sparking Hejduk a little. Cal could of easily became a good bottom 6 guy at least.You know what? Just because I am as much of a hater as I am.. I am going to say that Da Sherm asked Da Sack if he could use C. O’Reilly and Sacco said.. Nah.. "It would be to overbearing to have that many natural centers on the team." (Cough.. Chemistry.. Cough.. Convert to wing.. Cough TRY SOMETHING FOR FUCK SAKES! HE WAS GOOD ENOUGH FOR THE PENS!!?)If you can speculate that Sacco is good with no proof. I/we can speculate that he sucks with no real proof.. Thanks <3
The Pens could have beat us to the punch, I’m not sure exactly how the waiver wire works but I envision each team getting a call or a fax or whatever, in a certain order, but not exactly sure.
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Cobra makes a good point, which is to counter Beachie’s opinion—it is ALL speculation. There is no proof, ever. There are too many intangibles involved that can never be reflected in stats or any other type of hard evidence.
And my argument can’t be discredited just because causation isn’t black and white. You know what they say—call a spade a spade. Sacco’s teams don’t win, and they collapse in the second half of each season. I think the majority would agree that he’s not a good coach.
I don't think they would
Because about half of MHH alone knows full well and good that this is a salary floor team with all the talent issues of one.
At exactly what point do you start to realize that life without knowledge is death in disguise?
That’s where I disagree. This won’t be a salary floor team next season if we keep our prized UFAs.
I would also like to point out that star players don’t play like stars under Sacco. He was a grinder as a player, and he’s a grinder as a coach. Hence the bottom six over-performing and the top 6 under-performing.
He was a grinder as a player, and he’s a grinder as a coach. Hence the bottom six over-performing and the top 6 under-performing
This team does seem to lack a certain fluidity and creativity. Hell, Hejduk scored 50 goals once, and he looks as lost as anyone in Sacco’s system. Stastny has fallen off hard too. Maybe these guys are all under the burden of Sacco, and will light things up with a new coach. I feel like the Sacco System is too robotic, and that’s why teams that see it often have success against it.
Sports don't build character, they reveal it
anyone that gets 50 has a certain amount of help.
"I see now that the circumstances of one's birth are irrelevant; it is what you do with the gift of life that determines who you are." - Mewtwo
by ProfessorOak on Feb 9, 2012 11:53 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
That’s just not true. Stastny had a killer year in 09-10 and started off 10-11 well too (until he got hurt and came back just in time for the Tank). Hejduk is getting old and Foote was already there. Erm…. what other “star players” has Sacco coached
At exactly what point do you start to realize that life without knowledge is death in disguise?
Duchene should be a 90pt guy, easy.
Now maybe that’s just because he is young and has to figure things out. But I do think that a certain part of it is the coaching style. I’m not saying he should be at 90pts right now in his career, but 75 points is not unreasonable.
1 star is OK, but putting it back together. 1 star was 18 when Sacco started and has been injured for a month and a half (though admittedly was having a tough few months). That means he’s 1/2 at worst by my count and therefore can’t coach star players.
nah, conclusion doesn’t follow as far as I can tell.
At exactly what point do you start to realize that life without knowledge is death in disguise?
Well.
Since you have proof.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
Mile High Hockey : Where B- is different than C+
I no longer think that Sacco should be fired
It is obvious to me that there are more issues than his coaching style. Plus, some of my biggest bugbears about him have been corrected, such as changing primarily from a dump n chase team (where they would dump, but get beaten to the puck) to a puck possession team. With players like O’Reilly, Stastny and McClement, they have proved to be rather good at that.
Also, they are taking more shots on goal, rather than looking for the perfect opportunity, tic tac passing which invariably ends up getting intercepted and cleared from the zone.
I would even argue that they are not as easy to play against, because they now hit everything that moves and if that causes the puck to be coughed up, there are now D-men who are capable of making perfect outlet passes.
Finally, I know that this team is the cheapest in the league, so if the top line is icing Kobasew instead of say, Parise, you cannot, in fairness, expect the same results.
"Wisdom requires a flexible mind" - Dan Carlin
I agree. Look at what Sacco has done with the cheapest team in the league.
"I see now that the circumstances of one's birth are irrelevant; it is what you do with the gift of life that determines who you are." - Mewtwo
by ProfessorOak on Feb 10, 2012 1:23 PM MST up reply actions
They will also have another year of development.
"I see now that the circumstances of one's birth are irrelevant; it is what you do with the gift of life that determines who you are." - Mewtwo
by ProfessorOak on Feb 10, 2012 2:51 PM MST up reply actions
There will also be a litany of changes
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
Mile High Hockey : Where B- is different than C+
by A.J. Haefele on Feb 11, 2012 11:03 AM MST up reply actions
You know
Lots of new faces, new players, etcetc
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
Mile High Hockey : Where B- is different than C+
by A.J. Haefele on Feb 13, 2012 6:31 AM MST up reply actions
Same roster next season will not be the cheapest in the league.
Agreed. Although the colossal pay rise for Matt Duchene may not be quite as large as feared, since he has not (thanks to injury) caught fire offensively as expected. Having said that, there is still time.
Having said that, the bonus of Kroenke’s tightwad scheme is that there should be plenty of space to give raises to those deserving them.
"Wisdom requires a flexible mind" - Dan Carlin
Realistically, I’d say Duchene gets between 4.5-5.5M per season. Johnson will probably be in the 3.5-4.5 ballpark. Factor will be around 4M…
Figure the current group is going to get about a 10M raise, collectively.
by BraxtanFILM on Feb 13, 2012 12:56 PM MST up reply actions
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