Chicks and their Polls: Trade Bait
by Cheryl Bradley on Feb 7, 2012 9:45 AM MST
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As the trade deadline draws ever nearer, the rumors grow ever louder. There is still no indication as to whether the Avalanche will be buyers or sellers this season since the team's playoff status isn't totally clear. What is clear is what the Avs need: a top six forward who can score goals. To get something like that via trade, however, you have to give up something like that as well. There are some universally acceptable untouchables on this team although the list is pretty short. Most people would consider Matt Duchene, Erik Johnson, Semyon Varlamov and Gabriel Landeskog as the only true non-negotiables. But which player is the most negotiable?
(Please note that a deal would necessarily include more than just the players listed in the options.)
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Why is Olli Jokinen not an option?
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
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by SteveHouse on Feb 7, 2012 10:03 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
Barriely
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by Americanario on Feb 7, 2012 12:06 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
He continues to waffle on whether or not he wants a trade.
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by Hopfenkopf on Feb 7, 2012 11:15 AM MST up reply actions 2 recs
Trade Options for the Avs
I think Stastny, Jones, and Quincey should go before the deadline. I wrote a blog post about potential moves they could make. Here is the link: http://avshockeyblog.wordpress.com/2012/02/06/roster-talk-trade-deadline-approaches-potential-moves-for-the-avs/
What do you think? Possible?
by stcarnoustie on Feb 7, 2012 10:35 PM MST up reply actions
Ryan O’Reilly should be just as untouchable as Duchene. He’ll be the leader whether captain or not, of this team in a very short order.
I believe only Duchene, Johnson, and Varly are untouchable.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
O’Reilly isn’t gonna get traded.
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by GeorgeInLimbo on Feb 7, 2012 3:42 PM MST up reply actions
Sherman has been quoted as saying that O’Reilly is a core player. Which I really hope is true because I would literally cry like a little girl if we traded him.
Just a Colorado girl in Montana who ♥s the Avs and writes for Mile High Hockey.
Remember when Token saw Backdoor Sluts IX but thought it was Lord of the Rings? That would be my reaction if the Avs traded O’Reilly.
“I’m out.”
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"There's always next season." -- Jimmy Howard on not winning the Calder Trophy.
"I see now that the circumstances of one's birth are irrelevant; it is what you do with the gift of life that determines who you are." - Mewtwo
Goalies
Well all three of Pickard, Patterson and the Sami are eligible for AHL next year, along with Cedrick and Cann. There are only 3 spots (usually) and the Sami could still play in Europe (speaking of, does anyone know if he has a goalie coach over there?). We have 3 very good goaltending prospects in the 2 P’s and the Sami and if we re-sign Cedrick, which although he is Injury prone, I feel we should do, he has been tearing it up when healthy, we have a situation where we need to trade one or not re-sign one. Cedrick and Cann are RFAs after this year and I don’t believe Patterson or Sami are signed (at least according to capgeek.com.) Pickard is signed for the next 3. I think it’s a waste to have Pickard, Patterson and Cedrick splitting time. Goalies develop slowly as it is, let alone w/o a goalie coach and with only getting 25 starts in the AHL. Something has to give.
"I see now that the circumstances of one's birth are irrelevant; it is what you do with the gift of life that determines who you are." - Mewtwo
shotgun, did you see in that article in the DP that said McLean was with the team two weeks out of the month that it also said he spent time with the minor league goalies as well? I don’t know if that time came out of the two weeks a month. We also know that McLean was scouting Sami at WJC. So it’s not totally hopeless for the goalie prospects.
I feel like I’ve read something by G.G. before mentioning Sami’s Finnish goalie coach, but I would have to look around to confirm that.
Well i mean, MacLean needs to be split between the Avs, LEM, Seattle and Europe so travel alone is probably 2-4 days of that 2 and a half weeks. I wonder how much time Sami gets with him, if any.
"I see now that the circumstances of one's birth are irrelevant; it is what you do with the gift of life that determines who you are." - Mewtwo
Just stumbled across an interesting fact, not sure how relevant it is. Jussi Parkkila was a goalie coach with Ilves SM-liiga, the team Sami is with. Jussi was there 2003-2007, then he went to KHL and Lokomotiv for one year where he met Varly and acquired him as a pupil. Parkila was back in the SM-liiga after that with another team Tappara for a couple years before going to Atlant in KHL last season and SKA this season.
I know Parkkila is close with Tukka Rask as well as Varly. Tukka is a Ilves SM-liiga product as well. Varly has gone to Finland a couple times I think while with the Caps in the off-seasons to work with Parkkila. During one trip Varly was also around the Finnish team Parkkila was working with, guess that was probably Tappara, but I am not sure, I’d have to dig that up.
highly interesting.
"I see now that the circumstances of one's birth are irrelevant; it is what you do with the gift of life that determines who you are." - Mewtwo
Ok I found the connection! Sami started with SM-liiga organization junior team in 2006, which was Parkkila’s last year there. It appears that Parkkila worked with the U20 team from 2003-2007. I don’t know how Finnish teams work (multiple goalie coaches?), but I imagine Sami at least knew Parkkila, if he wasn’t coached by him.
Some more on Varly/Parkkila, here’s an article with comments by Parkkila discussing Varly at 2010 WC:
Even with an abundance of NHL superstars on the Russian roster, all eyes will also be on Varlamov. One set of eyes is especially important for Varlamov. That’s his Finnish goaltending coach Jussi Parkkila from Tampere. Parkkila was a goaltending coach in Yaroslavl a few years ago, during Varlamov’s last year in Russia. The two hit if off and Parkkila has continued to coach Varlamov.
Varlamov spent a few weeks in Tampere, Finland two summers ago, and this fall, he practiced with Tappara Tampere, a Finnish SM-liiga team that Parkkila is employed by now. Parkkila flew over to Washington after his season in Finland had ended.
"We go through every game together, I spoke with him on the phone this morning," Parkkila says over the phone from Finland, on the day of the quarterfinal against Canada.
"He’s an exceptional talent, and I often compare him to the Boston Bruins’ goaltender Tuukka Rask. Semyon learns fast, and he wants to develop continually. It’s quite a challenge for me, so that I can make sure that I’ll be able to help him," says Parkkila.
"He’s not going to rest on his laurels, he always wants to get better and raise the bar. He’s a very conscientious person who does everything like it’s supposed to," Parkkila says.
Parkkila also flew over to Washington to visit Varly in the spring last season after the KHL season ended.
one final thought on this: in light of the fact that Parkkila has come to visit Varly two seasons in a row in DC after the Finnish league/KHL season ended, maybe he’ll come see Varly in Denver and Varly can finally have some daily coaching?
I really hope so!
"I see now that the circumstances of one's birth are irrelevant; it is what you do with the gift of life that determines who you are." - Mewtwo
Here’s the info from Justin on Sami’s coach:
Aittokallio’s goalie coach is Markus Korhonen, a former Ilves goaltender that retired on April 23, 2010. Korhonen is also a native of Tampere and was born in 1975, while Parkkila was born in 1977. I have tried to search for a link between Korhonen and Parkkila to further reinforce this notion of Varlamov and Aittokallio having some similar coaching influences, but I haven’t found anything yet.
An article earlier this season in the Post inferred that McLean was not with the team for nearly that much time (when the Avs were visiting VAN – McLean’s residence). Seems to me that there’s a strong possibility of spin from the organ-I-zation regarding their “part-time” keeper coach.
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My list of untouchables: O'Reilly & Landeskog.
Reason for omitting Duchene? He could bring the best return in a trade.
Johnson? He’ll never reach his potential, sorry.
Same goes with Varly. He’ll never find any consistency. We really got screwed in that deal!
O’Reilly, Landeskog, Winnik… they give it all they have each and every shift. They do the little things it takes to win games. I’d rather the Avs trade Duchene than Stastny.
You may now commence with the insults…
You’d rather they trade Duchene?
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
I knew YOU’d disagree with me for sure c6hor8. I expected more of a personal attack than that, but thanks for the comment :)
I don’t use ad hominem attacks, usually.
Hypothetically, I don’t even know what Duchene would return. I don’t think there is anything on the market worthy of him.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
There have been nights where I hope he’d get signed to an offer sheet and the Avs get 5 first rounders. There have been nights. Kind of like when your dog chews your favorite shoes or your son wrecks your prized automobile.
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I agree,but you have to consider Duchene’s current status. He’ll be an RFA this summer, so you wouldn’t necessarily be trading him for players that are currently “on the market”. Teams would offer more than just rental players for him. I believe the Avs could get AT LEAST 2 top six forwards for him. They’d have to throw in prospects and/or draft picks too, of course.
Did you read my comment? I said that “Teams would offer more than just rental players for him.”
Since the other team(s) involved WOULDN’T be trading rental players, I can’t say exactly who the Avs might get in return. Use your imagination.
haha, typical fantasy land BS. You can’t even come up with a realistic example of this supposed trade of Duchene that will help the Avs? Why can’t you provide an example if it doesn’t involve rental players?
Use my imagination, lol. Bravo. A new low in internet rebuttals.
All I’m saying is that Duchene would get the Avs the best return if they’re looking for a top six forward because he’d get them 2 (TWO) top-six forwards, AS WELL as prospects and or draft picks.
I knew a personal attack was coming, wasn’t sure who initiate it…
Thanks Doc!
bear16, we need to have a talk about personal attacks. personal attacks, or ad hominem arguments are bad. I think we agree here. however, rebutting, questioning, discrediting, and refuting arguments are not personal attacks. immediately screaming that people disagreeing with you and discrediting your statements are personally attacking you, well, that’s plain troll behavior.
let’s do some examples:
Personal attack: bear16, you are a moron. Your idiot brain has shat out some fantasy idiocy again.
Normal discourse: Your argument is fantasy. Why can’t you provide an example to support your statements?
See the difference? You are not your argument. So in summary, stop it. No one is personally attacking you.
As for the non-troll part of your post, I see what you’re saying — yes, Duchene would of course bring the best return in trade. I’m saying that any realistic trade that subtracted Duchene and added a couple top 6 guys would be a net loss. Because I can’t visualize such a trade and you apparently can, I still want to know an example of this hypothetical trade you’ve envisioning that improving the Avs while trading Duchene for a gaggle of lesser pieces.
Duchene is NOT nor will he EVER be what you all claim he is… a superstar! He’s HIGHLY overrated! He’s selfish and tries to do EVERYTHING himself with his little dekes. In fact, that about ALL he can do well… deke. Not you nor anyone else on this site who has a man crush on Matt can get me to believe that this team would be better served by keeping him around!
P.S. That for MAKING your comment a personal attack (AKA ad hominem). Just proveds that you’re merely a hater. :(
I welcome your “talk” anytime!
I have a few apologies to makes:
1) Bear, you were trolling me. I gave you too much credit.
2) I promised to stay away from ad hominem attack. I am about to go against that.
You’re a moron.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
by c6hor8 on Feb 7, 2012 11:21 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
“Moron” has already been taken by my good friend Doc. Please come up with something original.
Yours Truly. :)
I was given permission to use that word. But who am I to correct you, I sit in my grandmother’s basement typing on a computer all day.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
Holy shit. You’ve been in here the whole time too!?
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by MalachiConstant on Feb 7, 2012 11:30 AM MST up reply actions
While you’re waiting, who would you see as a viable return for Duchene? I struggle to come up with anything that’s both an improvement and somewhat realistic myself.
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by MalachiConstant on Feb 7, 2012 11:19 AM MST up reply actions
Yip and Yan Stastny.
The reason I'm in town, in case you're wondering, is because of a Kansas City Shuffle.
I have to go soon. I have a job. You know… job. That thing normal people do to earn money? Not all of us live in our parents basement like you, my friend. So if you’re gonna respond with more pointless drivel, please hurry. I really do need to leave soon.
Thanks.
Get the fuck out of here with that bear. There is no need for that. Ever.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
by c6hor8 on Feb 7, 2012 11:21 AM MST up reply actions 5 recs
That’s all you people do is argue on this site anyway. Can’t have an original thought or comment or you’ll be personally attacked.
Sheesh people… calm down!
by bear16 on Feb 7, 2012 11:24 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
ugh
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by Cole D Hamilton on Feb 7, 2012 11:24 AM MST up reply actions
Where’s Joe when you need him, eh?
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by MalachiConstant on Feb 7, 2012 11:28 AM MST up reply actions
indeed
At exactly what point do you start to realize that life without knowledge is death in disguise?
Not all of us live in our parents basement like you, my friend
This is not arguing. This is rampant trolling and unneeded attacking.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
TRADE ALL THE DUCHENESZ
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by Cole D Hamilton on Feb 7, 2012 11:34 AM MST up reply actions
Yelling at others
Because you have a “real” job
Makes you a big man
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by Cole D Hamilton on Feb 7, 2012 11:29 AM MST up reply actions 2 recs
I have to side with bear16, here. I’ve read MHH enough to know how it works. The regulars always gang up on anyone who doesn’t post on here 16 times a day whenever they say something that the mindless massess don’t agree with. They belittle that person, talk down to them, are snide, and rude, but because they don’t out and out say “You’re an ass.” they think that they aren’t doing anything wrong. Guess what? Being an ass is being an ass whether you are passive agressive or plain agressive. Let people have their own opinions without the constant abuse. It’s why I never post on here.
Kobbers, I’d like you to show me where I was abusive to bear16. I’m not down on him at all because he’s not a regular — I welcome well thought out posts and discussion no matter who provides it. i detest community circlejerks, and I’ve made comments to the mods about trying to keep that from happening here several times.
However, what bear16 did here isn’t good discourse. this is bear16 taking passive aggressive shots at The Seer of Whores without provocation. This is bear16 calling any questioning of his talking points personal attacks. this is me getting a little sarcastic about explaining that I wasn’t personally attacking him.
So again, show me where it crossed the line by anyone other than bear16, please.
Sorry you feel that way Kobbers. It seemed to me Bear was out to pick a fight from the get go.
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by MalachiConstant on Feb 7, 2012 12:10 PM MST up reply actions
When 3 of your first 3 posts literally ask for a fight like bear16 did…. well? yup
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by Cole D Hamilton on Feb 7, 2012 12:15 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Bullshit. “You may now commence with the insults” and when insults didn’t come “I expected more of a personal attack than that” is just absolutely fucking trolling for attention.
Post here or not, doesn’t matter to me, but at least try to get your facts straight.
by DiD on Feb 7, 2012 12:25 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Bear may have been itching for an argument, but people did handle it in a questionable manner.
“you can’t just say HEY THEY COULD GET X ABSTRACT VALUE. Tell me who” _Doctor
Who exactly are you to say what people can or can’t say on here? Bear can say whatever she/he wants. It’s not your place to say what is alowable more so than anyone else.
“haha, typical fantasy land BS. You can’t even come up with a realistic example of this supposed trade of Duchene that will help the Avs?” -Dcotor
Belittling, sarcastic, and rude.
This is my favorite one because here Doctor attacks Bear while trying to argue that he is above attacking someone. Classic.
“Bear16, we need to have a talk about personal attacks. personal attacks, or ad hominem arguments are bad. I think we agree here. however, rebutting, questioning, discrediting, and refuting arguments are not personal attacks. immediately screaming that people disagreeing with you and discrediting your statements are personally attacking you, well, that’s plain troll behavior.
let’s do some examples:
Personal attack: bear16, you are a moron. Your idiot brain has shat out some fantasy idiocy again.
Normal discourse: Your argument is fantasy. Why can’t you provide an example to support your statements?
See the difference? You are not your argument. So in summary, stop it. No one is personally attacking you."
I could provide many more examples, but this is the typical “I’m perfect and everyone else is an idiot” attitude that I see from a lot of people here all the time. So, without further wasting of my time. Adios.
Bear may have been itching for an argument, but people did handle it in a questionable manner.
"you can’t just say HEY THEY COULD GET X ABSTRACT VALUE. Tell me who" _Doctor
Who exactly are you to say what people can or can’t say on here? Bear can say whatever she/he wants. It’s not your place to say what is alowable more so than anyone else.
He’s attempting to convince us here. He said, “I believe the Avs could get AT LEAST 2 top six forwards for him.” When I say “you can’t just say…” I mean you can’t convince anyone without providing logical support for your view. And I asked him for it. Repeatedly.
I’m sorry, asking for support for your arguments should NEVER go away around here. That’s what makes us an intelligent community. If you want to just spout off illogical, unsupported BS, go the the denver post boards or the official avs boards.
"haha, typical fantasy land BS. You can’t even come up with a realistic example of this supposed trade of Duchene that will help the Avs?" -Dcotor
Belittling, sarcastic, and rude.
yeah, that was sarcastic. Yes, I belittled his argument — but not him as you say. There’s a BIG difference. I don’t beleive it was rude, if anything it was a response matching his sarcastic tone (“are you even reading?” “use your imagination”). I merely responded in kind.
moreover, he’s deliberately avoiding my question and attempting to obfuscate by pretending I didn’t understand him and getting snarky. I don’t appreciate that, and so I responded with a frank and sarcastic assessment of his post. It was terrible, and it deserved it.
you are making the same mistake he did — tearing down arguments is not belittling a person. it’s merely stating the truth. I have no problem with bear16, my issue is with his weak arguments in support of a fringe position.
This is my favorite one because here Doctor attacks Bear while trying to argue that he is above attacking someone. Classic.
Once again, you claim I’m attacking him, when all I’m doing is showing how I’m merely attacking his arguments. Those examples clearly show the difference — and if you somehow think I was actually attacking him by providing those examples, let’s just clear it up right now: I’m not. It’s just an example of what an actual personal attack would look like. I do not feel that way about bear16.
I do feel he’s a troll now though. And you, with this closing:
I could provide many more examples, but this is the typical "I’m perfect and everyone else is an idiot" attitude that I see from a lot of people here all the time. So, without further wasting of my time. Adios.
….classic trolling from you now. Big sweeping generalizations of everyone here, leaving before you see any logical response to your post, all this after complete ignorance of bear16’s role in this tiff to support this agenda you stated up front, that this place is somehow anti-new people.
We’re not anti-new people, we’re anti-stupid and anti-troll. bear16 made stupid posts, trolled and got called on it. don’t attempt to twist it as something about him being new or not in the established poster crowd, it had absolutely nothing to do with that. don’t be an agenda troll.
Doc
as you pointed out to me…
The only way to deal with trolls is to limit your reaction and not to respond to trolling messages. It is well known that most people don’t read messages that nobody responds to, while 99% of forum visitors first read the longest and the largest threads with the most answers.
"I see now that the circumstances of one's birth are irrelevant; it is what you do with the gift of life that determines who you are." - Mewtwo
fair enough
As long as we can keep each other in check, heh. We still have Stachi for that!
"I see now that the circumstances of one's birth are irrelevant; it is what you do with the gift of life that determines who you are." - Mewtwo
I respect your impression and I know it can feel that way to new folks sometimes. I believe that is mostly because of a lack of familiarity with the jokes and sarcasm. Comments are taken as literal when they are actually a part of a running joke.
It’s absolutely not true, though, that “the regulars” gang up on people who don’t post here 16 times a day. People disagree with each other all the time regardless of their posting status. (see Bob and Dan) Newcomers may feel like that because they have not been around enough to experience the bickering that goes on between even the most seasoned members.
Finally, the biggest issue people have is when opinions are stated as universal fact but no solid back up evidence is given when asked for.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Feb 7, 2012 12:57 PM MST up reply actions
Cheryl,
I’m not getting into this but this is exactly why I agrue with you all. If you don’t say ridiculous homer comments you get ganged up on. I personally don’t care, it’s kind of fun for me but there’s def a clique, that is a FACT.
by the cool breeze on Feb 7, 2012 1:21 PM MST up reply actions
Have you considered that there is a clique because they think alike, and therefore, because they all think alike they all disagree with you, which may seem like ganging up when in reality it is just a bunch of people holding the same opinion? On the other hand, you and Tony (off the top of my head) seem to be a clique or hold the same opinion as well.
"I see now that the circumstances of one's birth are irrelevant; it is what you do with the gift of life that determines who you are." - Mewtwo
I couldn’t disagree more that you have to make homer comments or are ganged up on. If you have an opinion that goes against what a lot of people think, then you’re going to have a lot of people disagreeing with you. I can’t tell you how often that happened to me over the years with my support for Liles.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Feb 7, 2012 1:31 PM MST up reply actions
Or even my support for Lindy
"I see now that the circumstances of one's birth are irrelevant; it is what you do with the gift of life that determines who you are." - Mewtwo
I was with you on that!
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by Cheryl Bradley on Feb 7, 2012 1:33 PM MST up reply actions
LOL at both of you
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by Bob in Boulder on Feb 7, 2012 1:34 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Hell, there’s lots for you to laugh at me about. Holos and Porter, for example.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Feb 7, 2012 1:38 PM MST up reply actions
I think Porter has been much better this year, I also feel that Jones should have been scratched more for Ports but due to the fact that Jones once scored 27 goals, he wasn’t scratched because coaches (and maybe GMs) hoped he’d kick it into high gear.
"I see now that the circumstances of one's birth are irrelevant; it is what you do with the gift of life that determines who you are." - Mewtwo
this is an example of stuff I call out and get undue criticism for. Porter is a fucking scratch on a team that can’t score. He has no future here and is not part of “rebuild”. why would anybody think any different?
by the cool breeze on Feb 7, 2012 1:52 PM MST up reply actions
to be fair, you’re right on here. Porter instead of Jones is pretty ludicrous. Porter kind of sucks, he’s just a random 4th liner that Sacco got a hardon for. sorry shotty.
not need to be sorry if you disagree. I feel Porter hasn’t gotten a fair shot this year because Sacco keeps hoping that Jones will turn on (or is getting pressured from up top to keep him in as trade bait). Ports has 5 pts in 29 games and Jones has 17 in 44. TBH as I looked that up I was surprised that that number was that big, but some of Jones’ time was on the top line whereas Ports did that with fourth line minutes. Honestly, neither would make a difference at this point.
"I see now that the circumstances of one's birth are irrelevant; it is what you do with the gift of life that determines who you are." - Mewtwo
I was a super huge Porter fan last season and really thought he wasn’t getting a fair shake. Not sure I would have played him over Jones, though, even this year. I still think he’s underrated but he has had his chance to prove himself on the top lines and he hasn’t done it. I’m accepting my error of judgement on him, as hard as that is.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Feb 7, 2012 2:03 PM MST up reply actions
Porter hasn’t had that much time on the top lines. He’s only had double digit minutes in 12 of his 29 games and his highest was 14:25. These facts also surprised me, I thought he played a lot more.
"I see now that the circumstances of one's birth are irrelevant; it is what you do with the gift of life that determines who you are." - Mewtwo
But Shotgun isn’t stating any erroneous facts. I called you out for your blatant inability to verify information before posting it. Statements you made about Gaunce as part of support for your argument were factually wrong. That wasn’t the first time it’s happened, either. That causes people to question what you say. If you can’t be accurate – or at least admit that you made a mistake when people point it out – you lose credibility.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Feb 7, 2012 2:01 PM MST up reply actions
I guessed his age, that’s the only thing I said. That’s not a hanging-by-death offense. Don’t forget I posted a whole bunch of guys drafted in same rd who I think are better. That’s evidence.
by the cool breeze on Feb 7, 2012 2:03 PM MST up reply actions
No it’s not the only thing you said. In a previous thread, you said Gaunce had 6 years of pro experience.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Feb 7, 2012 2:04 PM MST up reply actions
It was the thing that got me on your case about Gaunce in the first place. I disagreed with your assessment of him but then I disagree with a lot of people. When you said that – and that his past years in the pros prove that he’s a career AHLer – I realized you didn’t really know what you were talking about with Gaunce. I figured you were mixing him up with someone else. That’s why I asked (repeatedly) for you to show me where you got your info. You never did. But then you kept going on and on about how bad he is. It makes taking you seriously very very difficult.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Feb 7, 2012 2:10 PM MST up reply actions
you also posted a whole bunch of guys the Avs couldn’t draft because they were picked before Gaunce.
I'll keep this brief.
Totally OT
I love that you have the old logo as your avatar.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Feb 7, 2012 2:11 PM MST up reply actions
It matches the jumbotron in the Can.
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by Bob in Boulder on Feb 7, 2012 2:18 PM MST up reply actions
and some after, the point was that there were other good players in that range.
by the cool breeze on Feb 7, 2012 2:15 PM MST up reply actions
Not going to argue. I’ve said my peace.
I’ll acknowledge that drafting under Hampson prior to 2009 had a lot of problems. He missed on a lot of guys. But I’m not going to call Gaunce a disasterous pick, just can’t. I believe you are wrong and that’s all I can really do.
I'll keep this brief.
we will see on Guance but the draft history pre ’09 was horrible IMO. Those picks could have really helped us if even a couple more turned out.
by the cool breeze on Feb 7, 2012 2:25 PM MST up reply actions
me too
But my looks aren’t everything.
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by Bob in Boulder on Feb 7, 2012 1:48 PM MST up reply actions
And as for the clique, it may seem like it since there is a group of folks that have been here for a long time and know each other quite well. However, there are a lot of disagreements within that group as well. Just look at Bob and Dan.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Feb 7, 2012 1:33 PM MST up reply actions
sexual tension aside, of course
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by Bob in Boulder on Feb 7, 2012 1:35 PM MST up reply actions
I’m not complaining, trust me. I’m just saying it does happen. I’m now a focal point so I know I’m going to get shit for sure.
by the cool breeze on Feb 7, 2012 1:35 PM MST up reply actions
I think your desire is to be a focal point, to be honest. And I think that after most of us get used to the factual inaccuracies and the throw-it-and-hope-it-sticks trade proposals, you’ll stop getting as many comments as you’ve gotten over the past few days.
by DiD on Feb 7, 2012 1:56 PM MST up reply actions
look at the comments on this thread? There are more pie in sky comments than I can mention here. The fact is the Avs are a 12th place team in west and we are likely going to finish lower than that.
by the cool breeze on Feb 7, 2012 2:00 PM MST up reply actions
tcb, there’s definitely a clique here (I’m not in it either). it’s ok though, they’re very accepting. natural thing on community sites.
where you are wrong is in that the clique is attacking you for not agreeing. the reason everyone jumps on you is because you a) make outlandish statements b) only support your claims with twisted stats and wild assertions that generally prove to be false and c) follow it up with weird ignoring of any good point made against you.
if you want to fit in, do this. a) stop repeating points that have been argued to death b) support your arguments with clear, untwisted facts c) MOST IMPORTANTLY admit when you’re wrong and stop treating these debates as some sort of troll-game where you ignore vaild refutations. that’s what’s pissing people off.
my comments are not “outlandish”. Want to know what’s outlandish? Saying Barrie in his first NHL game vs a high powered Hawks line-up is going to be good for us. Defending Gali as a core asset is outlandish. Saying EJ having 1 goal is okay, it’s simply not (ask Sacco next time you see him if you don’t believe me- he’s been better tho recently). Saying we shouldn’t trade for Carter, saying Jones is worth anything more than a 4th rd pick. Those are outlandish. Any fairness in that?
Another example: we have just an okay d-core. Saying ROB is a top 4 d-man. There’s not anybody out there outside of people here who think that. Compare ours to Vancouver? It’s not even close but I’ll bet people would argue that.
by the cool breeze on Feb 7, 2012 1:58 PM MST up reply actions
sorry dude, you do say outlandish stuff. like, Gaunce is 25 and a bust? don’t get defensive, just trying to help.
as for that list, I’ll rate them on the outlandish scale:
Saying Barrie in his first NHL game vs a high powered Hawks line-up is going to be good for us.
maybe a little over the top, but not outlandish. he is a rookie, so saying like he’s going to be a factor for sure isn’t fair. but high expectations aren’t unwarranted either. he’s had some good seasoning in the AHL, he’s the leading scorer down there, he’s looked good in camps.
Saying EJ having 1 goal is okay, it’s simply not (ask Sacco next time you see him if you don’t believe me- he’s been better tho recently)
it’s not great, that’s true. but saying his play is completely unacceptable isn’t accurate either. defenseman goal scoring shouldn’t ever be the only metric for rating offensive play, especially for a guy that takes a lot of point shots. I mean, the guy’s on a 32 point pace while matched against top opposition. the goals will come.
don’t get too caught up in a pretty small sample size. expand it a little to his 70 games with the avs — not even a full season — and it’s 4 goals, 26a, 30p. that’s damn good.
Defending Gali as a core asset is outlandish.
who called him a core guy? he’s not, I agree. he’s a nice player on a 3rd line, but not core.
Saying we shouldn’t trade for Carter
good grief, you think we should? he’s been a major problem child, and has a ludicrous contract. i mean, if they were giving him to us, ok, but at their assuredly high asking price, I wouldn’t be interested either.
saying Jones is worth anything more than a 4th rd pick
tough to say. he scored 27 goals last year, some team might fall in love with the idea of a turn around. but it’s impossible to say. I find it outlandish for anone to claim one way or another on Jones.
response
on Barrie comment: People here say that about EVERYBODY we call up or bring in. Elliot was the same stuff and now he’s in minors. How many times do people defend EJ b/c he needs more time and now Barrie is going to be in game 1 in NHL as asset. We will see.
2. EJ- I’m not down on EJ but he needs to be better. that’s it for my opinion on him.
3. Gali fair enough but if we traded him it’s no loss IMO
4. Carter makes 5.2M I believe and it’s a long contract. But, IMO he’s a proven scorer. Who TF would want to be in Columbus??? I agree he’s not worth a huge package though. But if they would take say Hishon, Barrie and Jones, done. He would be a mainstay and provide huge upside to anything other than Parise I can think of.
4. Jones is jones, maybe a 3rd for a desperate playoff team.
by the cool breeze on Feb 7, 2012 2:23 PM MST up reply actions
correct me if im wrong, but wasnt Carter also a locker room problem in Philly? Guy seems like trouble to me
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by Cole D Hamilton on Feb 7, 2012 2:26 PM MST up reply actions
him and Richards liked to have fun but they performed. he had 46 goals in 08-09 and 30+ last 2 years. If you want to compare to Stas’s 6.6m and 30 points so far I think that would support my argument. Philly didn’t give him away for nothing either.
by the cool breeze on Feb 7, 2012 2:29 PM MST up reply actions
Philly didn’t give him away for nothing either.
part of my concern. He would be costly and it seems that he wants to play in a big market, dont know why he would be happier here
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by Cole D Hamilton on Feb 7, 2012 2:31 PM MST up reply actions
considering Sherman’s seeming focus on character. I doubt the Avs even inquire about him
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by Cole D Hamilton on Feb 7, 2012 2:32 PM MST up reply actions
I think saying he’s a character risk is a stretch. He isn’t Rothlisberger or anything.
by the cool breeze on Feb 7, 2012 2:33 PM MST up reply actions
There arent a lot of Rothlisbergers in the NHL
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by Cole D Hamilton on Feb 7, 2012 2:34 PM MST up reply actions
he may not but it’s a lot better than columbus. I’m just saying for the right price he’s worth a shot. I would rather have Parise for sure and Suter before parise.
by the cool breeze on Feb 7, 2012 2:32 PM MST up reply actions
Suter>Parise>>>>Carter
couldnt agree more
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by Cole D Hamilton on Feb 7, 2012 2:34 PM MST up reply actions
I think the Avs would probably rather wait until summer and take a shot on Parise etc than risk on Carter. I might even put Semin above Carter
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by Cole D Hamilton on Feb 7, 2012 2:34 PM MST up reply actions
I would actually like the Caps to get Jeff Carter, but they probably won’t because the length of the contract and having Backstrom and Ovi locked up forever. The Caps are constantly searching for a 2C, and now their 1C is out for who knows how long, Brooks Laich has a knee injury, and Marcus Johansson has struggled with defense and puck possession.
the real problem with Carter is the contract length, if it wasn’t for that I would want the Avs to be all over his ass. 10 years (8-9 left) sucks
by the cool breeze on Feb 7, 2012 2:39 PM MST up reply actions
if we’re using only point totals this year, perhaps we should point out Carter’s mere 18 points too. I’d take Stastny’s 32 points over Carter’s 18, yeah.
been hurt, horrible team, etc. You don’t put up 46 if you can’t score.
by the cool breeze on Feb 7, 2012 2:38 PM MST up reply actions
counterpoint: Cheechoo, Jonathan
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by Cole D Hamilton on Feb 7, 2012 2:39 PM MST up reply actions
I dont think Carter will ever have that kind of success again, especially not in the West. I could however see him in the lower 30 range on a better team
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by Cole D Hamilton on Feb 7, 2012 2:41 PM MST up reply actions
ha, I’ll give you that but I’m pretty sure Carter aint him!
by the cool breeze on Feb 7, 2012 2:41 PM MST up reply actions
i agree, carter is much better. but im just sayin, Cheechoo
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by Cole D Hamilton on Feb 7, 2012 2:42 PM MST up reply actions
there were rumors that he didn’t get along with Pronger, right? And the team chose to go in the Pronger direction instead. I also read something about him and the coach and the team sided with the coach.
I don’t know, a lot of hockey players like to party and drink. It’s not that big of a deal to me if they can get their job done. He did produce while he was with Philly. But you are right, there are potential issues to be concerned with in bringing him into the locker room.
This is what happened with Wolski. Based on the inside info I got from a personal friend who knows the big wigs in the Avs front office, Wolski liked to party too much and it was becoming a distraction in the locker room. That, more than his on ice performance, was why they were anxious to trade him.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Feb 7, 2012 2:50 PM MST up reply actions
Interesting, but has he straightened out since he was traded? I do wonder if something big like being traded, especially when you just signed a long term contract, is a wake up call to a guy that he needs to change. So they might be worth another chance if they have matured. Look at Michael Vick, he really seemed to mature after spending a couple years in jail.
Well, based on how he’s been bouncing around from PHX to NYR and the press box, I’d have to say things didn’t really change much. It’s really too bad because he has the skill, just not the heart.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Feb 7, 2012 3:03 PM MST up reply actions
I can’t think of a player that actively ticked me off more than Wolski with his lazy play on the ice. Almost tore out my throat yelling at the kid for missing a leading pass one game.
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by MalachiConstant on Feb 7, 2012 3:09 PM MST up reply actions
uh, look at Semen and Ovi pix in summer at the bars and you may change your mind!
by the cool breeze on Feb 7, 2012 2:54 PM MST up reply actions
I don’t think Semin and Ovi’s current lack of production is completely due to some partying back in Russia. Sure it would be nice if Ovi was like Crosby, working hard to improve himself in the off-season. But I also think they have dropped off due to aging, and Semin is a headcase, and Ovi doesn’t seem focused enough in the past couple years.
There are plenty of Caps fans that complain about the guys going out to local bars and clubs and such. I don’t care all that much if they behave themselves and still produce.
I don’t know if you are accidentally misspelling Semin’s name over and over, but it’s a little juvenille if it’s on purpose. His name really should be spelled Syomin anyway but it was messed up when he came over.
I don’t think it matters just saying it wouldn’t with Carter either. Semin (ok I’ll be nice) has talent but he is an enigma. Ovi is picking it up lately.
by the cool breeze on Feb 7, 2012 3:19 PM MST up reply actions
Ovi was improving but he got derailed after his suspension, he hasn’t had any points since then. His first game back in Montreal, he didn’t do anything. Second game back on Sunday against the Bruins I went to. He and Semin looked good for awhile but then it petered out. The Caps really need to get Ovi going with Backstrom out.
I just looked at the preview thread and saw your misspellings over there and other people politely asking you to correct it. I guess the third time is the charm?
All I’m getting out of this thread is that Sacco is an OK coach.
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by Randy Time on Feb 7, 2012 7:36 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Horsecrap
The regulars attack and call one another names far more often than you give us credit for. I am offended.
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by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Feb 7, 2012 2:15 PM MST up reply actions
Shut up.
UR DUM!
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I disagree.
Bears are nice. Kinda cute and fuzzy.
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wow that was low dude
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by ProfessorOak on Feb 7, 2012 12:44 PM MST up reply actions
Well, between this and the completely unwarranted job attack below, I’m afraid I must decline. I don’t respond to blatant trolling because I care about the community. I wouldn’t want to shit up these boards any more.
Oh and my lack of response for a whopping 20 minutes? I was working. Honestly, I don’t think you want to get into a job comparison dick-waving session with me.
ya, doc is a the rocket surgeon general guys a BAMF
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by Cole D Hamilton on Feb 7, 2012 11:39 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
doc just plays a rocket surgeon general on a crappy daytime soap. He couldn’t post from his iPad while they filmed his only scene of tomorrow’s episode.
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by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Feb 7, 2012 2:23 PM MST up reply actions
this made me lol
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by Cole D Hamilton on Feb 7, 2012 2:28 PM MST up reply actions
Even though the discussion sort of derailed back there, I’d like to discuss this:
Hypothetically, I don’t even know what Duchene would return. I don’t think there is anything on the market worthy of him. -c6
It would be a pretty crazy move, but A) we have 3 natural centers competing for 2 top 6 jobs and B) Duchene is the weakest defensively of the lot and C) He has the best “big name” and contract appeal. Because of the competition, we’ve had him on the wing. Is this the best place for him, or would we be better off getting someone that’s a natural winger and letting Dutchy go be a center somewhere?
I’m not advocating trading Dutchy – I love him too much for that. But I can almost guarantee you that Duchene could net us at least Sutter or Parise easily, possibly even a pick/prospect as well. The possibility of getting a center like him would probably make Nashville and New Jersey weep with joy as it’s an organizational weakness. The same thing goes for just about any team in the league.
Duchene could easy get us a top winger or top defenseman. I’d like to see him remain an Av, but it is an interesting idea.
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Good love Dutchy, but he’s a marginal NHL centerman. He’s better suited to the wing in any case.
Trading him for either Parise or Suter would be madness (at least straight up) since he’s an RFA with lots of RFA time left and they’re both UFAs.
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Certainly, Duchene would net us an unsigned Suter or Parise. But would you trade Duchene for a potential rental? I wouldn’t. And would the team be better with that swap even if they did stay? probably about a wash, honestly. So why bother?
I’d rather keep Duchene and make runs at Suter/Parise/etc in UFA. Less risky, yet greater reward.
Even though the discussion sort of derailed back there
Don’t you dare rerail this conversation, young lady!
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by Bob in Boulder on Feb 7, 2012 4:20 PM MST up reply actions
I have to say I disagree a little about the fact that he got switched to wing because of competition. It’s true in one sense but I think it had more to do with the fact that we just did not have enough top 6 caliber wingers for both Duchene and Stastny.
Landy was clicking with Radar and Winnik but that was really the only thing that was working. Stastny is better defensively but he was not playing better than Duchene at the time. They made that Duchene – Stastny – Hejduk line to actually create a threatening scoring line.
Now to all of you people suggest that Duchene gets traded..
It’s fairly rare in the NHL that teams have the kind of skilled center depth that we do. Everyone knows it’s easier to find wingers than it is centers. If trading Duchene was the right thing to do why hasn’t Pit traded Staal or Malkin yet to acquire a true top line winger?
We may not have quite the 3 centers that Pit has but it’s the same concept. We will eventually get wingers to fill out our top 9 and it will be. 1C Duchene 2C Stastny 3C O’Reilly. Now just like with Staal.. O’Reilly is easily a second line center, but hes the best defensively.
Duchene is also not a Marginal NHL center-man.. He did have 67 points in his second year in the NHL still without much consistency on his wings but better than this year. He is developing. Yes when needed he is the best candidate to move to wing because of his offensive abilities and the fact that he is the weakest defensively. In no way do I think it’s permanent though.
Eventually like all the other top contenders when we finally can fill out our top 9 we will have 3 lines that are a threat to score every night. If we trade one of our centers away then we relegate ourselves to just being good team in the future instead of a great team.
All the great teams strength is exactly just how deep their skill level goes. If we want a great team some day we will build a top 9. If we only want a good team then yeah.. Lets just build a top 6.
If trading Duchene was the right thing to do why hasn’t Pit traded Staal or Malkin yet to acquire a true top line winger?
I don’t think trading Dutchy is the right answer because I don’t think that we’ll get fair value, but Malkin, Staal & Crosby haven’t all been healthy at the same time for more than a mere handful of games. They essentially haven’t had the chance due to health issues.
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I am pretty sure they were all healthy when they won the CUP. I see your point but it’s just a little to generalized. There was plenty of Malkin trade speculation while he was not injured when they couldn’t find any good wingers.
They found a way to trade for a up and coming winger. Neal.. He did not light the world on fire at first but they stuck with him and look at their team now. We need to make a trade for a similarly up and coming but unestablished winger.
Goligoski is not better than Quincey in my mind. We need to get lucky in Free agency and make a small trade. None of this crazy trade duchene/stastny/radar shit..
My disagreement with all of this is that I think trading duchene would only get you Parise or a Sutter type player straight up. Those guys have proven to be better so far but Duchene is younger, an RFA versus FA and possibly cheaper. So I don’t think you could get 2 top 6 players (maybe oshie and stewart, but that aint great) and I don’t think you get picks and/or prospects in addition to a great player
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Wait that’s a thing? Why didn’t I know about this?
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
I’ve seen tcb and now this scrub go after you, and it’s completely unwarranted. you don’t let people just blather BS without challenging it, and it’s just butthurt from people that like their fantasy worlds.
I don’t think bear was going after me actually. Maybe I ignored it, but I thought it was in good fun.
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by SteveHouse on Feb 7, 2012 10:10 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
Sacco? is that you? grinders >>>> skill!
Just because our young players are having growing pains doesn’t mean we should trade them. We’ll never get good value for them. You’ll set this team back years trading Duchene. When you’re trying to grow a team from within, you have to stick with your young guys even as they struggle, and you can’t get caught up in short term results. Confusing future potential for right now results, that’s how teams get in trouble. See: Toronto and the Kessel deal.
Now, I agree we need more talent than what we have, and it’s concerning that the team is regressing a bit, but unspecified trades of our best players are not the answer. Especially not Duchene, unless that’s some insane return. Who exactly are you proposing we trade him for?
With youth comes inconsistence, and since EJ and Varly are 23 and Duchy is 21 i see no problem there. All of them have a great skillset and workethic, they have to be supported in their development and be well coached, and in a few years all of them will bring their brilliance on a consistent basis to the ice. Giving up on them now is like harvest apples in June, it´s simply to soon.
So did the Avs. That dream is all but officially dashed, I’m afraid. Along with the short-lived Lindstrom experiment, the Mueller will be healthy all season hedge, the Duchene will explode in year 3 prediction, and the Stastny is a legitimate superstar in this league mirage. But the “see what we can do with 48.3” drive lives on!
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by Bob in Boulder on Feb 7, 2012 1:02 PM MST up reply actions
Bob, show a little patience, ok? We can’t trap ourselves with the new CBA by spending money, ok? jeez
by the cool breeze on Feb 7, 2012 1:31 PM MST up reply actions
Could have used Lindstrom in the shootout against Vancouver!! Some hatin on my homie! Anti-Swede-..ite.
I'll keep this brief.
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by Bob in Boulder on Feb 7, 2012 1:59 PM MST up reply actions
I think Dario likes Suba now rendering this ineffective…
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by ProfessorOak on Feb 7, 2012 2:02 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Damn!
So when can we expect the new avatar and will he actually change his name to Kobario Uno Siete?
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by Bob in Boulder on Feb 7, 2012 2:09 PM MST up reply actions
Along with the short-lived Lindstrom experiment, the Mueller will be healthy all season hedge, the Duchene will explode in year 3 prediction, and the Stastny is a legitimate superstar in this league mirage
thanks for all of this Bob. i now have no hope at all for this season or the next 5 to 8. I might as well sell all my Avs stuff and cancel my center ice subscription. Dick.
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Let me know how else I can help. Dan got $5 for his Hlinka unipron on ebay.
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by Bob in Boulder on Feb 7, 2012 5:16 PM MST up reply actions
Short of kicking my dog, sleeping with my mom or putting sugar in my gas tank I think you covered everything. I would probably be lucky to get that much for that shitty jersey i bought this year. Duchene’s won’t be worth anything once he get’s traded.
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here's the problem with this idea
who’s the top 6 scorer? Ruutu? Ok, I’d give up a fair amount but not too much. Frolik? nope. Nash? Ok, let’s get something together with Stastny+. It’s entirely dependent on who we’re talking about here. there’s no abstract true top 6 scorer out there.
by the way, if Nash really is ready to accept a trade as is rumored, we need to be ALL over that. I’d go full on blockbuster: Stastny + Quincey + Elliott + Hishon for Nash + Vermette
really though, the odds of us going after anyone are slim. my only hope for team improvement is after the new CBA.
I"d lob a phone call to Edmonton and see if Smyth or Hemsky are available. The problem with the avs making a trade is that pretty much all their pieces that they’d make a trade with are under preforming, so maybe you have to trade for other under preforming players, so Buffalo? Tampa?
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Feb 7, 2012 10:16 AM MST up reply actions
Smyth is washed up. He’s a shell of what he was. Hemsky, well, I’d be ok with that. But I’d rather just sign him in the offseason rather than overpay in trade to a division rival.
old, washed up shell of Smyth > Jones or Hejduk
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Feb 7, 2012 10:26 AM MST up reply actions
is adding his 4 goals over Hejduk thus far this year really going to make the difference for this team? I would say no. Then consider we’d be sending back picks or prospects to a division rival…it makes no sense.
True, I think even Tommy Salo would agree with that, Buffalo may be the best trade partner for the avs, but who knows if the front office will do anything anyway.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Feb 7, 2012 11:38 AM MST up reply actions
Boyes, Pominville, Stafford, Regehr, Roy could all fit well here
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by Cole D Hamilton on Feb 7, 2012 11:47 AM MST up reply actions
I think Pominville would look fanastic in an Avs uni. But with him leading the Sabres in scoring he would be an expensive acquisition for sure
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by Cole D Hamilton on Feb 7, 2012 11:48 AM MST up reply actions
Boyes would be the only one that would come at a reasonable price, imo. Regehr…isn’t he a NTC guy? Same for Pominville? Roy…I’m leery of more small centers and his price tag. Stafford is overpaid, but I’d like him at the right trade price, I guess.
I still would try that Boyes for Jones swap.
if we could get Pominville for Quincey + Jones or a prospect…. I’d do that
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by Cole D Hamilton on Feb 7, 2012 12:03 PM MST up reply actions
I still would try that Boyes for Jones swap.
Agree, though I think it would have to by Boyes + a pick for Jones given the cap relief that we’re providing them. Maybe a 3rd?
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With their players having some down years too it’s probably the closest you can get on an even trade, but Pommer would bring some more leadership, which I think this team is lacking (before anyone jumps on me, I know the team has some leaders, it needs more). Stafford might be nice on someone’s wing, I know he’s streaky but in the NHL most guys are.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Feb 7, 2012 11:52 AM MST up reply actions
I agree with you comment about the new CBA. I’ve been wondering if maybe the front office is waiting to see what the new CBA is like before signing anyone else to a long-term contract. While I don’t think any team will ever be hit as hard by a new CBA as the Avs were by the last one (Forsberg signed with the Flyers, Foote with the Jackets, while Blake & Tanguay were eventually traded), the learned their lesson the hard way.
If we can assume anything about the new CBA, it’s that teams such as New York, Philly, Boston, Chicago, Washington, Pittsburgh and Detroit will not be affected in a negative way. They can’t afford their Winter Classic guests to lose their advantage.
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We got it already, just need to use it
Shake up the lines as they are, trading now with the slide were on will only get us ripped off for the value of the players traded. REALLY shake it up though. Move forwards around into crazy spots.
Sakic 4 Sacco
Voted none of the above because I don’t think we’ll be in the hunt in 3 weeks and it’s useless to make moves for the rest of the season. Just calm down and reset, and get to work in the offseason.
If I were to give a real answer, then I guess I’d say Quincey, just because he’d probably be the best mix of getting something in return/not giving up too much.
exactly
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by MalachiConstant on Feb 7, 2012 11:13 AM MST up reply actions
If we aren't in the hunt...
Sherm is going to be speed dialing all playoff teams looking for a 1st rounder for whatever he needs to give them.
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I voted the same for pretty much exactly this reason.
I don’t see the avs making the playoffs, so why make any sort of big move at this point?
If anything I would want to see some trades for picks, what could jones get, like a 4th/5th?
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Yeah, I don’t think they’ll make it in either, but if the Avs expect to be competitive in the next couple years they’ll have to address the top lines at some point. Picks may be all we can reasonably expect Sherm to nab for Jones now, but it’s still one more opportunity going by in what seems to be a nicely established stagnation for the Avs right now.
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by MalachiConstant on Feb 7, 2012 12:19 PM MST up reply actions
100% agreement.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Feb 7, 2012 12:58 PM MST up reply actions
What’s a true top 6 forward? Are we talking Toews/Nash? Or David Booth/Horton/Penner?
Paul Stastny did, what Paul Stastny does. Score big goals.
Agreed. Galiardi is not a true top 6 forward. I think most folks around here would say the same.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Feb 7, 2012 1:51 PM MST up reply actions
To me, Gali is a perfect third-liner
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by Cole D Hamilton on Feb 7, 2012 2:12 PM MST up reply actions
winnik-lite
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by Cole D Hamilton on Feb 7, 2012 2:12 PM MST up reply actions
exactly, they are replacable parts. We need some top 6 talent you can always fill in 3rd/4th lines via system and FA market. The Avs are going nowhere until they get a couple snipers who can score and preferable with size/grit.
by the cool breeze on Feb 7, 2012 2:17 PM MST up reply actions
Agreed, though I think there is a bit more value to Winnik in his penalty killing, those kinds of guys are important in the long run. I dont think anyone would argue with you that we have a drought of top 6 talent though
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by Cole D Hamilton on Feb 7, 2012 2:19 PM MST up reply actions
winnik + (passing ability, agitations, and speed) – (size and corner ability)
by thedoctor on Feb 7, 2012 2:20 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
sounds about right. i’d add positional awareness to the winnik side
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by Cole D Hamilton on Feb 7, 2012 2:21 PM MST up reply actions
yeah, defensively he’s great, a bit better than Gali. Offensively though the guy is lost positionally. I still can’t figure it out.
Winnik? i dont think he’s all that bad, he’s open and in the slot all the time, or receiving breakout/breakaway passes he just cant hit the net worth a shit
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by Cole D Hamilton on Feb 7, 2012 2:29 PM MST up reply actions
maybe I’m just sensitive to it, but when he was on that O’Reilly line, he drove me nuts puck hogging, missing wide open people, standing around watching play without the puck. he screwed up sooo many chances from that line.
I think that was a big speed thing, Landy and Oreilly aren’t the fastest guys out there, but they are certainly outmoving Winnik.
Stasnty likes to play the game slower, and when Winnik was with him or McClement, I think he’s looked much better
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by Cole D Hamilton on Feb 7, 2012 2:37 PM MST up reply actions
Yes, yes, but we were talking about Winnik, not Duke.
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Finally someone who analyzes how much better Edmonton defense is compared to the Avs
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What did everybody think of Mike Chambers discussion with a Philly blogger on EJ for Schenn or JVR? Personally, I would not make that trade if I were the Sherminator as neither has been able to show they can score consistently on a pretty damn good offensive team. I understand both have had injuries this year but I wanted to hear more thoughts on it.
by Do Not Feed the Octopus on Feb 7, 2012 11:50 AM MST reply actions
Disagree
Vehemently.
JvR is potential, wrapped in concussion problems with an bloated long term contract. EJ is now a very serviceable top 4 Dman with lots of potential, no significant nagging injury history and no bloated long term contract.
Yeah, no thanks.
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by Hopfenkopf on Feb 7, 2012 12:02 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
Hasn’t Schenn had concussion issues as well?
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by Americanario on Feb 7, 2012 12:20 PM MST up reply actions
Nagging Injury, No
But he did lose a season to a golf cart.
I can’t lie to you, I’m begining to lose faith in EJ…. I just had so much higher expectations that he’s just not fulfilling. 1 goal just isn’t cutting it.
I would never ever make that trade in a million years
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by Cole D Hamilton on Feb 7, 2012 12:00 PM MST up reply actions
There was a conversation on it in this thread.
DiD calling JVR “fat Wolski” was the highlight.
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by MalachiConstant on Feb 7, 2012 12:01 PM MST up reply actions
I thought it reflected poorly on our fanbase to have a beat writer with that little knowledge of the team he covers. EJ is not moving, period. Sherman has staked his job on EJ and Varlamov.
If the Avs do not make the playoffs…who do you see losing their job this off season?
by Avalanchefan86 on Feb 7, 2012 12:47 PM MST up reply actions
Seriously? Probably Sacco, not Sherman. And if Sacco goes, then I think the assistant coaches go, too.
by DiD on Feb 7, 2012 1:09 PM MST up reply actions
Like many, I voted for Quincey. Maddening thing is he has played pretty damn well the last few games. But I think we could actually get something in return for him and we’d be dealing from an area of strenth (intentional Mike Haynes typo) for an area of need.
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How about Quincey for Grabovski?
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by Cole D Hamilton on Feb 7, 2012 1:11 PM MST up reply actions
Don’t the Leafs have a surplus of defensemen already?
by DiD on Feb 7, 2012 1:12 PM MST up reply actions
yeah, but not a surplus of good defensemen
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by Cole D Hamilton on Feb 7, 2012 1:13 PM MST up reply actions
heh
"I see now that the circumstances of one's birth are irrelevant; it is what you do with the gift of life that determines who you are." - Mewtwo
umm I might trade Giggy for long-term purposes. Hes awesome right now but we have so much talent in net plus the management made clear, we want to build on Varlamov.
This would be my long-term soplution.
For a short-term, Stastny is a legit candidate. If we could get Nash I wouldnt mind giving up some more like Galiardi, Elliott, Barrie or Jones.
I pretty much agree with the untradeable list. I would add O’Reilly though.
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Thoughts
1. We are highly unlikely to make playoffs
That said, why trade for current guys who are short timers to try to make playoffs? Example, say we trade Barrie for Ruutu (just an example only). So, you risk not signing him and give up a (avg) prospect. Makes no sense. Even if we do make playoffs thur the trade, we will get trounced pretty quickly IMO.
2. So, we are really concentrating on next year. That said, trade Jones, a d-man or two, maybe winnik (UFA), Duke, etc. and get a good young prospect (PW wing) and draft picks since we have none next year (to speak of)
3. FA- go after a couple top guys and add a d-man of 3-4 quality too.
Responses
1. Agree, playoffs are highly unlikely. I think most of us who are proponents of a Ruutu trade are in favor predicated on being able to sign him beyond this season. I know that I certainly am.
2. Don’t think it likely that they trade Duke, but if they jettison Jones, Winnik (though I wouldn’t mind re-signing Winnik for his PK and 3rd/4th line abilities) for picks and/or a good power forward wing prospect (but who?) I think it’s a good move. The idea of Boyes + a 3rd for Jones intrigues me.
3. If they don’t go out hard and actually get a couple of prime UFAs this summer, you can pretty well start to use your Pittsburgh Pirates and Avalanche gear interchangeably.
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agreed, that’s alos why they may try to take a run at a Nash if he was available b/c I don’t know if they can/will go after the good Fa’s. If Columbus would take Stas, Barrie, Jones and a 2nd for Nash, done. Then go after Suter really hard and maybe Roy.
by the cool breeze on Feb 7, 2012 2:48 PM MST up reply actions
The real world is not like hfboards.
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the Suter/Roy stuff, sure, but a Stastny+ offer for Nash? I doubt it’s that far off. It might not be the best offer, but I bet it’s ballpark. Who else would be offering? Toronto would be tossing stuff like Schenn+ out there. Stastny’s just about the highest caliber of player you’d see moved in such a deal, imo. No one is offering Ovy for Nash, it’s always Semin+ (just as an example).
Take a deeper look, if they trade stas/barrie/? for nash it’s about a wash cap wise. Thus, going after Suter is very realistic and I would be appalled if they didn’t. You probably agree so far. Now, the Roy deal. Here’s some info, Buffalo is screwed on cap and Roy is having a bad year (10/16- 26 pts in 50 games). He’s been pt a game basically before that. They get some relief on cap next year but he’s on hook for 4M and they may not resign him after that at likely more than that. So, if we offered say Hishon/2nd maybe they take that and then he plays center in stas’ old spot. Likely not but really not a horrible stretch.
by the cool breeze on Feb 7, 2012 3:47 PM MST up reply actions
So let’s just give up on Hishon then. That would be them giving up on draft picks and therefore they didn’t draft well. Something you repreatedly criticize them for.
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Proven NHL Centre vs. promising yet badly injured and yet to play in almost a year 1st round pick?
Umm, OK. Where do I sign?
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Oh i am not disagreeing with it, I am just saying this thought is anathema to his previous points of the Avs drafting badly.
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wrong (as usual), Hishon/2nd for Roy, that’s a good use of draft picks. It has nothing to do with giving up? Why? Becuase we get a proven player who is in his prime (28) who has produced better than Stas and we already have 2 young top centers, 3 overall with Roy. Hishon is a huge risk now anyway.
by the cool breeze on Feb 7, 2012 4:07 PM MST up reply actions
b/c they need cap space and get a potentially good young, cheap, replacement center and a pick. It’s not like we are giving up nothing depsite the risk with Hishon. They have lots of long term shitty contracts.
by the cool breeze on Feb 7, 2012 4:18 PM MST up reply actions
bad year or not, I really doubt they give up their #1C (who’s on a good contract, no less) for a guy that hasn’t played in almost a year and a middling draft pick. They do have cap issues, but if there’s one thing we’ve seen with Philly and Chicago’s past cap woes, it’s that you shouldn’t expect fire sales with players coming cheap.
But even if Roy was available, there’s a ton of teams that would be offering more than Hishon + 2nd — Calgary, Anaheim, Minny and so on. You’re ignoring the free market side of things.
Versteeg for a 2nd I believe, Big Buff for a 1st?
by the cool breeze on Feb 7, 2012 4:32 PM MST up reply actions
Versteeg went for players first time around, Stalberg and a couple prospects for him and a prospect. not sure the 2nd time
by the cool breeze on Feb 7, 2012 4:36 PM MST up reply actions
Versteeg:
BOS to CHI Feb 2007 – V and future considerations to CHI for Brandon Bochenski
CHI to TOR June 2010 – V & Bill Sweatt to TOR for Viktor Stalberg, Chris Didomenico and Phillipe Paradis
TOR to PHI Feb 2011 – V to PHI for 2011 1st and 3rd
PHI to FLA July 2011 – V to FLA for 2nd round choice in 2012 or 2013 Entry Draft and a 3rd round choice in 2012 Entry Draft
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That’s a lot of teams in a really short period of time.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Feb 7, 2012 4:53 PM MST up reply actions
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we are offering a 1st rd center pick and a 2nd. Carter only got Voracek, a 1st and 3rd.
by the cool breeze on Feb 7, 2012 4:33 PM MST up reply actions
Keep in mind, that first was 8th overall. That’s a significant first round pick.
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Especially when that pick ended up being a player who was touted as a front runner to be the first overall pick until his numbers dropped due to mono. The Flyers got a steal with Couturier at number 8 IMHO.
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Ostensibly due to their impending cappocalypse, but it doesn’t look so terrible now that I look at it. Per Capgeek, they have just shy of $8.2M in cap space next year to fill 8 roster spots. Tight, to be sure, but half of those spots are RFAs that are fairly cheap to give a QO (Kaleta, Ennis, Brennan & Gragniani).
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so, you think they have 8 guys at an average of 1M? Kobasubaru makes more than that. So, you have 8 Winniks?
by the cool breeze on Feb 7, 2012 4:31 PM MST up reply actions
They’ll need to clear space, for sure, but they can put half of those guys under contract for at or below that $1M per number if they choose to.
I’m just not sure it’s such a big problem that they’ll be incented to ship out their #1 C.
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i think it’s more likely they use the inevitable new CBA amnesty clause to bail them selves out. Leino, bubye. all fixed.
That amnesty clause is really going to suck in retrospect given how cautious the Avs management has been around signing players to long term “stupid” contracts. You could see teams dumping bad contracts left and right if that’s part of the CBA. You’ll see AHL millionaires returning to the NHL (hello Wade Redden), and bad contracts to backup goaltenders (rhymes with nee-pee-etro or poo-on-go) will go up in smoke. The Avs will have the same cap space as everyone else with the downside that they’ve sucked 3 of the last 4 years.
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by Thor the Clunge Destroyer on Feb 7, 2012 5:20 PM MST up reply actions
Can you imagine how drunk he’s going to get when he scores his next one?
OK Shermie, time to be the shepherd
I wonder how inevitable that amnesty clause is though… I would certainly think that the teams who have been cap smart will be wildly against it as it would make them less competitive
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by Cole D Hamilton on Feb 7, 2012 5:20 PM MST up reply actions
How many teams, and how many influential teams, have been cap smart since the last CBA.?
We’re getting hosed on this one.
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Enos will push for an amnesty clause that allows amnestied contracts to still count against the salary floor. Think of it as a win-win.
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by Bob in Boulder on Feb 7, 2012 5:38 PM MST up reply actions
I’m no expert, but I feel like there’s an inevitableness about what’s going to happen here. with 18 of 30 teams reporting losses despite massive revenue growth and multiple franchises on the fritz, it’s clear that for the good of everyone, something has to be done or the NHL and the players could really be in trouble.
The players share is too high. 57% is way more than all the other leagues now. i expect it to be a lot closer to 50%.
The floor is too high. that’ll get fixed in some way — probably as a percentage of the ceiling, as it always should have been.
contract term limits are coming, the owners just can’t control themselves. 7 years, I bet.
the players will want gripes fixed too, and after giving on the above issues, they’ll get a lot. they hate escrow. I bet that goes away to a large extent, rather than the huge percentages they can lose now, it’ll be much lower.
theyll push the league for more revenue sharing. big markets will still spend to the cap, but increased revenue sharing will create more money for smaller teams to spend on players. much like the cap floor.
the combination of all that work to reduce player salaries is that the cap has to come down. there’s 2 options I know of — player salary rollback across the board, or teams have to buy out people under an amnesty clause. option 2 means more money for the players, and that’s what they’ll push for and get because they gave elsewhere.
the net result is going to be a lot of UFAs on the market, and any contracts negotiated in the new era will be less expensive. and the teams buying people out will still not have any cap room even after buyouts.
you can see why the Avs did it. All these RFAs will get lower value contracts. any UFAs they sign will be way cheaper too. And if they truly do plan on opening the pocketbook, they’ll be one of the only games in town trying to add. cap teams will be shedding players, floor teams will be diving to cut salaries and fix their bottom lines… The veritable pick of the litter.
of course, that could all be wrong. i wonder what Parise and Suter are thinking is going to happen? I’d be avoiding the new market at all costs. but this scenario makes sense to me.
*Cue evil laughter.
… No wonder we hired an accountant
Either way it looks like by humping the cap basement and by just being financially responsible in general we’re going to come out on top.
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by Thor the Clunge Destroyer on Feb 7, 2012 5:54 PM MST up reply actions
don’t get ahead of yourself. there’s about 5 million way Enos could weasel out of this. this is the sunshine and rainbows version that assumes he does actually want to win.
this is thesunshine andburgundy rainbowsversion
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by Thor the Clunge Destroyer on Feb 7, 2012 6:06 PM MST up reply actions
Stastny career points per game = .884. Roy career points per game .788. Roy has 26 pts in 50 games this year, Stastny has 32 in 51. Roy is also injury prone. Stastny is ALSO in his prime, and two years younger at 26. Stastny is better than Roy with worse wings this year. Roy has played with Stafford and Leino all year. Leino is eh, but Stafford is better than any other winger on our team (not counting Duchene and too small of a sample size for Mules).
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stas was already traded for Nash, wake up. I was just comparing Roy to him as an equal type replacement
by the cool breeze on Feb 7, 2012 4:27 PM MST up reply actions
not close to equal. Aren’t you also always complaining about size? Roy is 5-9 and 184 lbs.
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wrong, here’s last 3 years:
Roy
2011- 35pts/35 games
2010-69/80
2009-70/82
.88/game
Stas-
2011- 57/74
2010-79/81
2009-36/45
.86/game
Anything older than that is ancient history. Plus, Roy blew out his knee so he started slow this year (still having a bad year)
Stas is softer than a down pillow. Him and Roy in a fight, no contest. Same with me and the grim reaper, reaper would be pickin up chicklets.
by the cool breeze on Feb 7, 2012 4:44 PM MST up reply actions
Well you never specified whether it was the last three years or career. .02 points per game difference is insignificant. It still ends up with 71 pts per game. Stastny would kick his ass, he has 20 lbs on him and 3 inches. Roy is small and injury-prone and is the last thing we need.
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with 71 pts pergameseason
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by Cheryl Bradley on Feb 7, 2012 4:54 PM MST up reply actions
the cool breeze likes to set the parameters after the fact.
by DiD on Feb 7, 2012 4:58 PM MST up reply actions
Yet it can be phrased in an unkind way, dick.
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I think we should all append some vile insult to the rest of our posts tonight, asswipe.
OK Shermie, time to be the shepherd
WTF would that accomplish, douchebag?
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by Cheryl Bradley on Feb 7, 2012 5:34 PM MST up reply actions
Watch your language, princess!
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by Bob in Boulder on Feb 7, 2012 5:35 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Take it easy with that stuff DiD.
My brother and I used to say that drowning in beer was like heaven, eh. Now he's not here and I got two soakers, this isn't heaven, this sucks.
Ouch, that one hurt.
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by Bob in Boulder on Feb 7, 2012 5:40 PM MST up reply actions
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Some one PLEASE explain this to my students.
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Amen.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Feb 7, 2012 6:44 PM MST up reply actions
While I like Stastny’s defensive game better than Roy’s it’s true he’s been quite close to Staz in offensive production. Roy has more fire, but Stastny certainly isn’t soft, come on. And Roy doesn’t have good size, something that works better in the east.
If for some reason we got rid of Stastny, Roy would be a very close replacement.
Well, now that we have big bad Rick Nash we don’t need Stas’s super physical punishing game and zero fights or scrums for life.
by the cool breeze on Feb 7, 2012 5:10 PM MST up reply actions
Ooooh, someone’s a disgruntled camper.
I am boobs.
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by Thor the Clunge Destroyer on Feb 7, 2012 5:11 PM MST up reply actions
no, but when people say stas is hard nosed I have to laugh. Compared to say Richards or Getlaf or Thornton, yeah, that’s it. I like stas but he’s not having a good year, esp. for 6.6M
by the cool breeze on Feb 7, 2012 5:14 PM MST up reply actions
Actually this year Paul Stastny, Joe Thornton, Brad Richards, and Derek Roy all posted similar hit # (28, 20, 29, and 21 respectively with similar GP).
However Ryan Getzlaf, and Mike Richards (I don’t know which one you’re talking about!) are posting many more (138 (Holy Shit!), and 70 respectively).
In other words Stastny is more “hard nosed” than most comparable forwards.
Mind you that this doesn’t take into account arena bias, or similar factors.
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by Thor the Clunge Destroyer on Feb 7, 2012 5:47 PM MST up reply actions
The “as usual” part is dickish not nice.
So, first of all, Roy hasn’t produced better than Stastny (.79 ppg vs. .88 ppg). Secondly, as you pointed out, he’s older. I would think that Stastny has the better likelihood of producing more points in the future and playing at a higher level longer than Roy does. Thirdly, Buffalo would never do that. Unproven, injured prospect and crapshoot 2nd rounder for a .79 ppg performer.
Come on, man, this, like David Jones straight up for Chris Stewart, is why your stuff gets shot down. It’s HFBoards stuff.
by DiD on Feb 7, 2012 4:55 PM MST up reply actions
don’t give a fuck, read every comment I make and see who’s the “dick”. We are not in court, I don’t have to prove every fucking opinion to hor.
by the cool breeze on Feb 7, 2012 5:11 PM MST up reply actions
are you kiddin me? I just got scolded b/c I don;’t think Stas for Ryan would happen like, ever. You? Jones for Stewart I agree, I was just saying if they would consider that or Jones/D-man.
by the cool breeze on Feb 7, 2012 5:13 PM MST up reply actions
Sherman isn’t going to fold his cards early. He will wait until the Avs are out of the race before he does a deal. As CB said, I’d hope it’s defensive depth for a top winger prospect. Tough pill to swallow for any NHL team because potential is so enticing for GMs and fans. But, a LOT of teams want a 3/4 defenseman going in to the playoffs.
I'll keep this brief.
wow.
FYI, I just shift-a-ed my way through that crap fest up there. Memo to new posters: Having an opinion and stating it are cool. Back it up with facts (you know, why you believe what you do) or your opinion is going to be dismissed
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Feb 7, 2012 2:09 PM MST reply actions
I think people here have been pretty nice and welcoming to new posters, as long as you are somewhat reasonable and provide some value beyond obsessing about unibrowed Europeans.
by vtcapsfan99 on Feb 7, 2012 2:35 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Nah, we just keep you around to even out the guy to girl ratio a little. It’s a serious sausage fest in here.
The reason I'm in town, in case you're wondering, is because of a Kansas City Shuffle.
hey, you have Sandi and that other female poster (stache?) posting pics of their latest fashion buys in game threads. That’s probably enough femaleness for the board, so good thing I have toned down the Varly love. I think I am currently working on Radar love. There’s only so many screenshots I can make of Varly sitting on the bench, chewing gum and holding the door open.
Ha..Stache…yeah. I love the Varly love. You remind me of his play in Hershey and with the Caps. It gives me hope. I know he can be better than what he’s shown. I like him a lot too. Radar love is pretty normal around here. He’s got the work ethic and the heart that so much of this team has missed for a while.
The reason I'm in town, in case you're wondering, is because of a Kansas City Shuffle.
We’ve got a thing that’s called radar love
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by MalachiConstant on Feb 7, 2012 2:46 PM MST up reply actions
NTTAWWT
No, wait, there IS something wrong with that.
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Varly really is better than he is currently showing. He was never this inconsistent with the Caps. It makes me sad and depressed that the Avs aren’t helping him reach his potential. Although I much prefer him on the Avs than back in the KHL. I do wonder though what kind of a season he would have had if he had managed to swing that trade from Loko to SKA and be reunited with Jussi Parkkila.
Hell, Brian freaking Elliott looked inconsistent on the Avs. Guess we just do that to goalies. Wait…
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by MalachiConstant on Feb 7, 2012 3:10 PM MST up reply actions
Radar love is a wonderful thing.
Just a Colorado girl in Montana who ♥s the Avs and writes for Mile High Hockey.
Ryan.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Feb 7, 2012 2:46 PM MST up reply actions
lol
Cap Floor Team = Cap Floor Results
by Cole D Hamilton on Feb 7, 2012 2:47 PM MST up reply actions
Seriously, though. The Avs have a ton of d-men, the Ducks have a shitty d-corps. Make it happen, Sherm!
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by Cheryl Bradley on Feb 7, 2012 2:48 PM MST up reply actions
Would you swap EJ for him? I think thats what it would take
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by Cole D Hamilton on Feb 7, 2012 2:49 PM MST up reply actions
I might. It would depend on what was going to happen in the off season. Get Weber/Suter to replace him? Sure. But I think you could get Ryan with a package like Quincey, Elliott/Barrie and ? (I’d say Jones, but that would be on their assumption he’s in a slump and last year’s numbers were the norm).
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by Cheryl Bradley on Feb 7, 2012 2:53 PM MST up reply actions
Outlandish!!! no way Jose! try this: Stas, Barrie, Quincey, and a 2nd at minimum..
by the cool breeze on Feb 7, 2012 2:58 PM MST up reply actions
I think that’s a huge overpayment, but I’ll be the first to admit that I’m not very good at figuring out the value of trade pieces.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Feb 7, 2012 3:04 PM MST up reply actions
that’s what it would take, MAYBE not the pick
by the cool breeze on Feb 7, 2012 3:10 PM MST up reply actions
that’s what it would take
That’s a statement of fact. Interesting seeing as we have no idea what it would take. Let’s see if we can find a comparison to make more sense of it.
Mike Richards: Simmonds (3rd line winger), Schenn (top prospect), 2nd round pick.
Ok, with that precedent, Stastny, Barrie, and Quincey is overpayment. Not a fact. That is not what it would take.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
are you grouchy again? com’n, it’s obvious that’s my opinion but that’s close for sure.
Simmonds has more goals than Richards, schenn light years more highly rated than Barrie, quicney is worth a 2nd imo on a trade now.
If they take Stas/Barrie for Bobby Ryan I would do that sooo fats it would make your head spin. You really think they take that?
by the cool breeze on Feb 7, 2012 3:24 PM MST up reply actions
I just dislike comments that come across as fact. Argue with facts. I still don’t know what it would take to get Ryan nor what it would take in comparison to what other teams might offer.
Based on career play Ryan and Stastny are very close. Because Stastny has a higher salary and has underperformed, I would imagine adding someone like Quincey might be enough if that was a top end offer. Again, we don’t know what other teams might offer.
I am genuinely curious of Anaheim would consider that because they do need a 2nd line center and defensive help.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
….and that’s too much. Stastny + Quincey for Ryan + salary dump (Blake?) would be close imo. Someone should call in a ducks blogger.
not a chance, quincey is a maybe solid 3rd/4th d-man but Ryan is a top pf in the league, NO WAY they take that deal. If so, Avs should ink it in a sceond.
by the cool breeze on Feb 7, 2012 3:21 PM MST up reply actions
I think you’re valuing Stastny low, and Ryan high. Good lord, Stastny and Ryan have the same point totals this year in the same number of games (and Stastny’s not playing with Perry and Getzlaf). Stastny’s points per game (.88) is higher than Ryan’s (.77), and he plays a more valuable position (C vs. W). Stastny’s salary is much worse, but that’s the Quincey /dump thing offsetting.
Heck, I’m talking myself out of a deal. Stastny straight up for Ryan + small dump might be closer.
okay, stas for ryan straight up, if that happens I will put some A1 on this computer and eat it.
by the cool breeze on Feb 7, 2012 3:52 PM MST up reply actions
Protip:
Heinz 57 works better for computers. You generally want to save your A-1 for smartphones.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Feb 7, 2012 6:45 PM MST up reply actions
Because he undervalues Stastny and overvalues Ryan. My guess is because Stastny is an Avs and Ryan is not.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
I am still waiting for an example of Sacco’s bad in-game coaching. I asked him for one 3 weeks ago.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
no adjustment to the trap Minny plays. Give me one expample of what he does good. 5 losses in a row to shit his way out of playoff picture?
by the cool breeze on Feb 7, 2012 4:22 PM MST up reply actions
October 10-17, 5 wins in a row. Dec 17-26, 5 wins in a row. After that, lost a game, then Dec 9-Jan 6 got another 4 in a row. If it’s his fault we lose 5 in a row, then it’s his fault we won 5 in a row twice and in one instance, won 9 of 10.
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no adjustment to the trap Minny plays
Ok. Let’s take last game. They lost 1-0. Their shot totals for the game went 10-10-17. If you watched the game, he actually adjsuted the break out in order to get more offense and speed. That finally started working and they nearly doubled their total shot total in one period. Though no goals went in, that was an in-game adjustment.
He actually broke down the trap pretty well, after period 2 when it set in, and the Avs created offense. Though there was no finishing and they lost of course, he did adjust to the trap. It was very obvious if you watched the final period. They had an entirely different attack scheme.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
Backstrom controlled his rebounds real well
"I see now that the circumstances of one's birth are irrelevant; it is what you do with the gift of life that determines who you are." - Mewtwo
CB was talking about the trap. If you watch the final period, it is clear that Sacco broke down the trap. His forwards couldn’t finish, and the refs were bad, but he did adjust for the 3rd period.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
So again, win and the players are great. Lose, the coach sucks.
Did your coaches treat you poorly? Did you not get the playing time you thought you deserved? You seem to have a pretty narrow opinion on coaching/coaches.
Datsyuk may have done it first, but he learned it from Peter Forsberg.
Thanks for everything Foppa!
Footer: We'll miss seeing you clear the riff raff off your lawn.
I happen to believe Ryan has a lot more upside than stas, he’s a pure goal scorer (hard to come by in this league) and a power forward too. Scored 30+ last 2 years and on his way again.
You guys may be correct, they will make that deal, they need a 2nd line center. If they do, I will eat my computer with Heinz 57 on it.
by the cool breeze on Feb 7, 2012 4:21 PM MST up reply actions
Beachie, ducks fans would be appalled at that offer. sorry. :( I’d compare it to Edmonton offering us Gilbert, Musil/Maricin and ? for Stastny. Quantity never equals quality.
I’m probably valuing Elliott and Barrie too much, honestly. But like I said, I’m not good at trade proposals…which is why I rarely join in those conversations.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Feb 7, 2012 3:19 PM MST up reply actions
Tho my first thought was Quincey + Stastny but then I was thinking it wouldn’t be worth it on our part.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Feb 7, 2012 3:20 PM MST up reply actions
I’d agree it wouldn’t be worth it. Giving up both Quincey and Stastny, we’d need a bonafide solution to our issues up front. Ryan is great, but he’s not going to single handily fix the situation here, especially with Stastny going the other way.
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by MalachiConstant on Feb 7, 2012 3:26 PM MST up reply actions
it’d be an interesting lineup:
Ryan – Duchene – Mueller
Landeskog – O’Reilly – (Hejduk? FA?)
Gali – McClement – Hejduk
Winnik + scrubs
I dunno, it think it would work. You’d need more inger depth, but at least there’s some real scoring. Add Parise to that lineup and it’s something special.
JVR is on the Market... trade Quincey.
JVR-Duchene-Mueller
Landy-Radar-Hishon
Galiardi-Stastny-Jones
Winnik-McClement-Kobasew
If you could package Jones for Stewart, that line would be reunited.
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by GeorgeInLimbo on Feb 7, 2012 3:50 PM MST up reply actions
Not sure that you’d even need to give up Quincey. PHI is in a metric shitton of cap trouble and it doesn’t get better for a while. JvR has health issues and a cap hit that doesn’t come off the books until the day after the cows come home.
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One-year norms are a tough sell.
I don’t know if anyone else does this, but I have this weird reaction of rolling my eyes when anyone mentions Jones in a trade. For the life of me, I can’t understand why another team would be interested in him, even as a throw-in. If you were to ask me right now who’d I’d rather see in the lineup, Ryan Stoa would be ahead of Jones. I rarely toss credit Sherman’s way, but only giving him a one-year deal is among the best moves he’s ever made. If by chance he can find a sucker GM to take Jones at the deadline, that move immediately jumps to No. 2 on my list.
Not really sure why Jones has ticked me off so much, but I’m pretty sure it starts with the Avs’ record in one-goal games and their current spot in the standings.
4th biggest pessimist of MHH.
"There's always next season." -- Jimmy Howard on not winning the Calder Trophy.
Yeah, I was thinking of the Jones of last year. This year? I just don’t get what’s going on with him.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Feb 7, 2012 3:28 PM MST up reply actions
Oh god. What a bunch of Joneses.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
The team nobody can keep up with?
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by Dixomatic on Feb 7, 2012 3:59 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
interesting, I’d rather risk less years/money on Semin than more years money and trade pieces on Carter
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by Cole D Hamilton on Feb 7, 2012 2:50 PM MST up reply actions
yeah but remember that cap hit if he performs is pretty palatable and if cap goes up it may be attractive down road if you wanted to trade him.
by the cool breeze on Feb 7, 2012 2:52 PM MST up reply actions
plus, semin is not what we need. We need size and power. What really sucks is not having a 1st this year.
by the cool breeze on Feb 7, 2012 2:53 PM MST up reply actions
I’m actually really curious to see what Semin makes next season. No way he is worth 6.7 million with his current level of play. I would think that his salary could possibly drop a lot but some team out there might be willing to offer him $$$.
Here is the no-trade list, IMO: Duchene, O’Reilly, Hejduk, Stastny, Wilson & Giguere. The rest are open season.
You think Wilson is a no-trade but EJ is? Why, out of curiosity?
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
You gave up on Varlamov pretty quick. Half a season? He’s 23.
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by GeorgeInLimbo on Feb 7, 2012 3:36 PM MST up reply actions
I think no one on this team is untouchable. I would have the hardest time letting O’Reilly go given his performance so far this year, and the fact that a Cup winning team will need his type of smarts/skill.
Right now, the Avs top-6 are all playing like 3-6 forwards. I have yet to see a true top line center performance, and we really don’t have top wing scoring, with the possible exception of Mueller, and he’s been fragile (to say the least).
Untouchable players are few and far between. They are the guys that can be argued to be top-5 at their position. We don’t have anyone like that.
Oh, and if someone already said all this, sorry. The Bear-Troll-Pig forced me to hit Shift-A.
OK Shermie, time to be the shepherd
Landy’s untouchable. Middle school girls and house fraus across the city would riot if he got traded.
by DiD on Feb 7, 2012 5:05 PM MST up reply actions
Duchene
O’Reilly
Landeskog
Johnson
Varlamov
All players that are not getting traded
"It's not my fault I never learned to accept responsibility."-Woody Paige
Hejduk is a given.
"It's not my fault I never learned to accept responsibility."-Woody Paige
by GeorgeInLimbo on Feb 7, 2012 3:44 PM MST up reply actions
Also, I doubt Mueller goes.
"It's not my fault I never learned to accept responsibility."-Woody Paige
by GeorgeInLimbo on Feb 7, 2012 3:45 PM MST up reply actions
Gretzky, Trottier, Messier, Francis, Bourque … in the history of this league, not even the best of the best have been immune to business decisions. If the Avs are out of the playoffs soon, moving Hejduk becomes a business decision, and therefore wouldn’t shock me at all if he moved.
But if the captain, or in the Avs’ case, Floorton (Ha!) should really like to help the GM and keep the Avs in the playoff race, he might consider pitching in around the house pretty soon.
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"There's always next season." -- Jimmy Howard on not winning the Calder Trophy.
YOU KNOW WHO WASN’T TRADED? SAKIC, THAT’S WHO.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
For most of his career Sakic was one of the top 3 or 4 centers in the league. He was also basically healthy the whole time. That pretty much makes him untouchable. Forsberg, not so lucky. He was comparable through the early part of his career, but was on the way down physically when he was allowed to go.
How many Sakics are on the team this year?
OK Shermie, time to be the shepherd
One?
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
Well, he certainly wasn’t all 4. That’s kinda hard without cloning technology that wasn’t available back in the day.
OK Shermie, time to be the shepherd
Re-reading your response, I are confuzzed. Are you questioning Sakic as only one of the top 3 or 4, or counting the number of Sakic type players on the team?
OK Shermie, time to be the shepherd
If any of them are traded. I'll take you to a game.
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by GeorgeInLimbo on Feb 8, 2012 12:24 AM MST up reply actions
Forsberg wasn’t exactly “allowed to go”. The Avs got screwed by the CBA (bonuses to Sakic and Blake), they didn’t have any money left to sign Foote or Forsberg unless each signed for about 1Mil. The organ-I-zation would have loved to have kept both those guys around (pretty obvious due to the fact that they brought both back when given the chance).
Datsyuk may have done it first, but he learned it from Peter Forsberg.
Thanks for everything Foppa!
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Duke has a NMC
The only business decision is whether or not Milan wants to commute to work or not.
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OH MY GOD BLEACHER REPORT!!! MY EYES!! MY EYES!!!
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I like the way they make you go through a slide presentation to read their drivel.
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by Bob in Boulder on Feb 7, 2012 4:18 PM MST up reply actions
I like the way the pretend they are actual journalists. Or reporters. Or intelligent people.
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for whom? sherman about to get robbed again.
by the cool breeze on Feb 7, 2012 4:24 PM MST up reply actions
Please, No More Salty Trades
Does anybody actually think Sherman’s Lagoon is capable of reeling in a truly favorable trade? Any bait that gets thrown out there always gets taken advantage of. And I know we here at MHH like to rationalize,and justify moves with our great reef of prospects, or demands for that certain position, but how about a nice trade that doesn’t send any waves our way for once? The codlings and fingerlings of the Avalanche organization need to grow and understand that it’s possible to get things down without any “overextending.” Because the longer the winds blow the more our mountains become eroded, and image of the Colorado Avalanche belongs to the Mile High City — not to the waters below where the league’s minnows swim.
Meow-valanche. Prrr-valanche.
Are you asking for a one sided trade in our favor? Do you know how often those actually happen?
"I see now that the circumstances of one's birth are irrelevant; it is what you do with the gift of life that determines who you are." - Mewtwo
I’m just asking for the inexperienced organization to grow up more quickly. At this point “favorable trade” is defined as a trade where the Avs don’t lose out that badly. The young Kroenke and Ujiri are doing a good job with the Nuggets more or less, I wish we saw more of that for the boys
Meow-valanche. Prrr-valanche.
Well, the fact of the matter is, whether you believe we won or lost out on the EJ and Varly trades (I assume you mean these) has yet to be seen. Honestly it may take 5 years to see who “wins”. It’s possible both teams could win. Our first pick to the Caps has to pan out, Siemens and Rattie need to pan out, Varly and EJ and Shatty need time to develop and Stewie may end up being traded for all we know. So opinions aside, it may end up being way beyond Sherman’s stay on actually telling if there were winners in these trades.
"I see now that the circumstances of one's birth are irrelevant; it is what you do with the gift of life that determines who you are." - Mewtwo
I agree for sure. I guess I’m trying to say that I don’t like the image the Avs fans with my friends here in DC. They aren’t taken seriously (understandably), but I don’t harbor any grudges against them…. Gone were the days of greatness. Where we made blockbuster trades without all this speculation league-wide. I grew up with a winning team and I’m spoiled, so I’m just not used to this rebuilding nature
Meow-valanche. Prrr-valanche.
I understand, me too, but part of the reason that we are here is because a lot of those block buster trades.
"I see now that the circumstances of one's birth are irrelevant; it is what you do with the gift of life that determines who you are." - Mewtwo
And voila, you just answered why I began with “salty trades” and not “paralyzing trades.” Nothing but a bad taste soon to go away, one way or another
Meow-valanche. Prrr-valanche.
hor says I hate the GM so I guess he thinks, yes, that Sherman is capable of bondoggling all the other gms like he did with varly.
by the cool breeze on Feb 7, 2012 4:49 PM MST up reply actions
mueller is absolutely untouchable
any jostling could cause another brain scramble
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by Cole D Hamilton on Feb 7, 2012 5:25 PM MST up reply actions
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