Stastny's Value (Not what you think, and a little positive mojo about our team and where we are headed)
by CobraAcesS on Feb 8, 2012 9:00 PM MST
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PrintHonestly just about everywhere from here at MHH to HF-Boards and including periodic chatter from actual NHL insiders has speculated as to Stastny being on the trade block. His value has been discussed over and over as well..
Hopefully what comes next reminds us all how valuable and rare a top flight center can be. Him struggling (in my mind due to lack of a finisher since Stewy left) has everyone hoping they could pry him from our hands at a discount price. It's been going on so long that some of us fans are jumping on the bandwagon of destroying a core of center depth teams dream about.
Most of these stats people are probably fairly aware of.. but I am hoping that this reminds all of us to maybe be a little more patient as thankfully our GM has been.
Since his draft year he ranks 4th in production.. Let me give you the names ahead of him.
Paul Stastny (Even struggling the last couple of years his PPG. AVG. is still .887 and he has scored 11 in his last 10.)
I must give Kane and Toews credit because they are right behind him.. At the same time they have had each other or Hossa & Sharp the last couple of years. While Stastny has has Porter, Winnik & Hejduk along with a host of different people for different stints.
I recently read a blog on Hockeybuzz in which the guy talks about the most productive draft picks since 2005. Ive proposed a lot of trades in the past but Ive NEVER been on the band wagon for trading Stastny. I was even starting to get close to thinking about it before I read the post.
Along with actually taking a look at this for FYI compared to other names being thrown around. These guys have been talked about in a trade for Stastny or just shopped and compared to value wise. (Mind you they are both a year older as well. 27 vs 26)
Stastny's career PPG AVG - .887
Nash's career PPG AVG - .810
Carter's career PPG AVG - .734
Do you still want either of those two one dimensional players over Stastny? Also consider that as over paid as Stastny has been for his production as of late. Nash is -21 this year with one more point than Staz and one more game played. Carter?.. Well yeah 10 year contract and even worse than a one dimensional winger? He is a one dimensional center with an attitude.
Check my inspiration for this here, it's a pretty good. - http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Steven-Hindle/NextGen-The-Most-Productive-Draft-Picks-Since-2005/139/41990
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I am all for a move, but there are certain guys who are definite keepers. (In bold - Prospects are not included because they are not proven.)
Duchene, Stastny, O'Reilly, Landeskog, Johnson, Varly, and with the way the kid has been producing Mueller just maybe a part of this core for a very very long time. Honorable mentions are Hejduk, Jiggy. Then worth keeping because it's not going to be easy finding anyone better or more versatile if kept to their roles, Galiardi, Winnik & McClemment. After that for character purposes and my personal preferences O'Brien & Quincey. All of these guy after losing them we would just have to find other guys EXACTLY like them to fill their void. Look at what happened to Chicago when they gutted their bottom 6. We are seeing now we need two more wingers to give both Duchene and Stastny the support to succeed. We may get lucky and get it in Free agency big time or we may not but giving up and going for a true top 6 instead of a disgustingly deep and talented top 9 will not win us a cup against these teams with grit and depth.
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Hopefully this reminds us all to sit back. Drink some Kool aid and wait until we address our winger depth to really put a judgment on Stastny's value and this team. As well as shopping one of the best centers in the league. How many teams can say they have a two way center like Stastny plus another center (Duchene) who is on his way to being as good or better offensively. THEN add a center drafted in the 2nd round that will arguably be in the Selky discussion this year? There are a few teams with that kind of depth at center but not many. I can tell you this, they are all contenders.
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In all fairness
Stastny would be -21 if he were on C-bus too, but great write-up.
"I see now that the circumstances of one's birth are irrelevant; it is what you do with the gift of life that determines who you are." - Mewtwo
One name I would bold
Is Jay McClement. He is a great PKer and is one of the few veteran presences on this team.
"I see now that the circumstances of one's birth are irrelevant; it is what you do with the gift of life that determines who you are." - Mewtwo
I agree on one front.. But if we get to the point were he in the 4th line center he may become a little to expensive to keep around. Otherwise I totally agree as to how valuable he is. Once he clicked with the team hes been great in his role.
Also if injuries hit at center having him able to move so well into a 3rd line roll is just awesome.
Whatever we need to pay him, to keep our PK as good as it is, I’d dish out.
"I see now that the circumstances of one's birth are irrelevant; it is what you do with the gift of life that determines who you are." - Mewtwo
by ProfessorOak on Feb 9, 2012 11:50 PM MST up reply actions
Guess we’ll just have to hold our breath. Could you imagine if we kept Stastny and traded for Stewart? Reuniting that line? All we would need after that is another winger for Duchene and the Avs are an offensive powerhouse team again.
(Winger)-Duchene-Mueller
Stewart-Stastny-Galiardi
Landeskog-O’Reilly-Hejduk
Winnik-McClement-Kobasew
Hejduk eventually is replaced by Joey Hishon and a couple of defensemen would be shipped away and probably Jones unless you put him with Mueller and Duchene.
I would be satisfied with watching this team lose 3 then win 5.
"It's not my fault I never learned to accept responsibility."-Woody Paige
Also, I doubt this happens.
I don’t think Sherman wants Stewart, and the fact that he is on the block again may a sign that the GM made the right move. I think Stastny is over the front office, too. But may stick around for a playoff run, but ultimately will end up finding a home elsewhere.
"It's not my fault I never learned to accept responsibility."-Woody Paige
by GeorgeInLimbo on Feb 9, 2012 11:43 AM MST up reply actions
Assuming that this second blurb was all speculation. For your lines up there, I’d put hejduk with Duchene and Mules to reunite that line.
"I see now that the circumstances of one's birth are irrelevant; it is what you do with the gift of life that determines who you are." - Mewtwo
by ProfessorOak on Feb 9, 2012 12:58 PM MST up reply actions
boo ya.
"It's not my fault I never learned to accept responsibility."-Woody Paige
by GeorgeInLimbo on Feb 9, 2012 2:43 PM MST up reply actions
It would look something like…
Hejduk – Duchene – Mueller
Winger – Stastny – Stewy
Landeskog – O’Reilly – Galiardi
Kobasew/DVG – McC – Winnik
I think Galiardi would be better for that line considering they would probably have some seriously tough matchups. Again we need two wingers by next year regardless if it’s for Stastny or Duchene..
How about Parise - Stastny - Stewy?
Just thought of that.. lol Could you imagine Parise and Stastny setting up Stewy? Besides Stastny setting up Parise? Scary.. I would take Stewy in that case (A poor mans Ryan?)
While Stewy is not my favorite option the point stands. We NEED to either get lucky in free agency with Parise or Semin or I could see our 1st in 2013 being moved + to acquire a first line winger at the deadline that year.
I have to wonder what Duchene is thinking right now. “Where the fuck do I get to play when I get back into the lineup?” Even with Jones this year we need at least one winger and ideally another one between now and next season. I would rather Galiardi NOT have to play in the top 6 on a consistent basis.
That does show how blatantly we have One top flight center with ZERO wingers to compliment him.
I wouldn't get too caught up in Parise
He probably isn’t coming to the Avs. He wants to go to a contender. Semin is about as close as you’re going to get, but I doubt the Avs wanna take a chance on him. Maybe though. Parise and Duchene would be frikken awesome though.
"It's not my fault I never learned to accept responsibility."-Woody Paige
by GeorgeInLimbo on Feb 9, 2012 10:32 PM MST up reply actions
While I agree, I think Parise could make this team into a viable team to beat, if not a contender quite yet. Does he want to be on a contender and have the team already made for him or does he want to be an integral part of a powerhouse for years? (I don’t think he’s coming here either, I’m just sayin)
"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck" -Obi Wan Kenobi
O'Reilly works harder than you
ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ
He’s expected to test the FA market. Let’s see if the Avs wanna start spending some money.
"It's not my fault I never learned to accept responsibility."-Woody Paige
by GeorgeInLimbo on Feb 10, 2012 10:44 AM MST up reply actions
Could you imagine if we kept Stastny and traded for Stewart?
Stewart was never the player we want to remember. He was a floater in both zones, scored most of his goals off the rush, and flew the defensive zone at the first hint of possession. Yes, he was/is big, but he really didn’t use his size in front of the net. He was a terrific fighter, but then broke his hand doing it which, cost the team quite a few games, and he wasn’t the same when he came back.
He was a good player for the style the team played in ‘09-’10, but he doesn’t fit in St. Louis where they play possession hockey, and he doesn’t fit here.
OK Shermie, time to be the shepherd
by Busted Twigg on Feb 10, 2012 8:20 AM MST up reply actions 2 recs
Bloody well said.
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by MalachiConstant on Feb 10, 2012 10:04 AM MST up reply actions
You're probably right.
In my head, I have a physical forward that was great around the net and had a nice slapper. He used to skate around with a swagger because he knew he was a bad ass. He was streaky but well liked, suspect defensively but a force up front.
Thank God we traded him.
"It's not my fault I never learned to accept responsibility."-Woody Paige
by GeorgeInLimbo on Feb 10, 2012 10:47 AM MST up reply actions
With that being said, I’m a big EJ fan.
"It's not my fault I never learned to accept responsibility."-Woody Paige
by GeorgeInLimbo on Feb 10, 2012 10:48 AM MST up reply actions
Maybe...
I’m the only one here, but I’d get Stewie back. He is still young, and power forwards take a bit longer to bloom then others (or, so I’m told).
Go Avs.
Go Blues.
by Tony Trujillo on Feb 10, 2012 1:27 PM MST up reply actions
Once Hishon and Olver shake of the post concussion blues...
they should both be viable top 9 NHLers and possibly top 6 wingers for the Avs. It is funny how many people on sites like HF that consider Hishon a throw in or they are doing us a favor taking the concussion collecting Hishon in trade suggestions. He is a top prospect who was blindsided by a cheap shot. He has his entire career in front of him.
Languishing for Landeskog
long time no see, welcome back!
"I see now that the circumstances of one's birth are irrelevant; it is what you do with the gift of life that determines who you are." - Mewtwo
The main reason Stastny gets so much shit thrown his way is his contract. He is not an elite player but a very good one, and when complemented with finishers he is one of the best set up guys in the league.
by Do Not Feed the Octopus on Feb 9, 2012 7:14 PM MST reply actions
Look gang, I’ve never been in favor of trading Stastny… I love the kid, and I think that he is better than almost any other option available to us at center. That being said, he is our most valuable trading asset aside from Duchene. I would love to see him stay, but if we can work a top-two-center setup without him (Duchene, O’Reilly), then he is our best bet to net us a good return. Its pragmatics more than anything else.
I am a little unsure right now if Duchene can really be a bonafide top center in this league, but for a kid who’s not yet 21 I am willing to give him a bit of time to work it out. Lets sit tight and see what happens, this year and next.
Thanks, Joe... Thanks, Peter.... Thanks, Adam....
I just say let’s keep him, he is our stastny
"I see now that the circumstances of one's birth are irrelevant; it is what you do with the gift of life that determines who you are." - Mewtwo
by ProfessorOak on Feb 9, 2012 11:57 PM MST up reply actions
Very nice article
I have never agreed with trading Stastny. The team plays much better with him in and I think he is hacked on unfairly.
If you think that Scott Gomez is being paid about a mil plus more than Stastny and has precisely zero goals for the last year – That guy is overpaid and underperforming.
"Wisdom requires a flexible mind" - Dan Carlin
Until last night…
GOMEZ SCORES!!!!The $7.5M goal. Worth waiting for. Worth every penny.
OK Shermie, time to be the shepherd
by Busted Twigg on Feb 10, 2012 8:41 AM MST up reply actions
we gotta hit the cap floor i guess.
"It's not my fault I never learned to accept responsibility."-Woody Paige
by GeorgeInLimbo on Feb 10, 2012 10:49 AM MST up reply actions
Keep Stastny
I’d like to see us move Quincey/Wilson + something small for a top 6 guy preferably from the East so they stop haunting this team in H2H matchups.
by Mapletreemarty on Feb 10, 2012 10:26 AM MST reply actions
Stastny and O’Reilly are similar in that each produces an above average all-around game; defense, assists, goals and effort….you don’t trade away those types unless you get a greater value back….
"Hey man, don't bogart that puck."
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by GeorgeInLimbo on Feb 12, 2012 9:48 AM MST up reply actions
Thanks George….i enjoy many genres of music and thought this was pretty cool.
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anytime.
"It's not my fault I never learned to accept responsibility."-Woody Paige
by GeorgeInLimbo on Feb 15, 2012 1:18 PM MST up reply actions
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