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It's a trade. Calm down.

Rob Carr

I am reserving any judgment on the PAP for Briere trade for a while. I feel far too many people are jumping the gun while at the same time forgetting a number of other trades where the Avs were immediately noted as "getting fleeced" or generally confusing people as to the why. Many turned out pretty OK.

Case(s) in point:

July 1, 2011 - Avs trade a 1st and 2nd round draft pick to the Capitals for Semyon Varlamov. This is what Caps fans thought:

"Cannot believe this. GMGM is the goalie whisperer. Any overpaying he did on the skaters the last couple weeks has been absolved by the fleecing in this contract and the Varly trade." Rob Parker on Jul 2, 2011 | 4:58 PM

"I'm so happy I can't believe it. What great mentoring for Neuvy. And Olie for Holtby. What a great steal. And perfect turn of events from the Varly drama." capsyoungguns on Jul 2, 2011 | 4:46 PM

This is what became of the players involved:

  • The 1st round pick - Filip Forsberg. Never suited up for a game with the Caps because he was traded to Nashville for Martin Erat and Michael Latta.
    • Erat played 53 games the next season netting 1 goal and 23 assists. (Erat would be involved with a trade that brought in Rostislav Klesla, who would be flipped to Buffalo for Jaroslav Halak, whose rights were then traded to the Islanders for 4th rounder in this year's draft... which was again part of a trade to the Rangers: goalie Igor Shesterkin)
    • Latta has played a grand total of 17 games for the Caps (1g, 3a).
  • The 2nd round pick - was traded to Dallas for Mike Ribeiro who did well with 49 points in the 48-game shortened season. In the summer the Caps chose to let him walk to Phoenix as a UFA.
  • Varlamov - currently a Vezina runner-up posting the best season of his career.

Here's another take on the trade after the fact

February 27, 2012 - Avs send Daniel Winnik, T.J. Galiardi, and a 7th round pick to the Sharks for Jamie McGinn, Mike Connoly, and Michael Sgarbossa. Granted, there were many Sharks fans that did not like the trade, but this is what some thought:

"I like the trade. Cause McGinn peaked this year and DW traded him for as much as he could get." raphelo on Feb 27, 2012 | 3:27 PM

"I hate to say it, but I think this was a coup for the Sharks. Despite McGinn scoring 12 goals, he had a pretty poor CORSI despite going up against pretty sheltered competition. Sure, he potted goals for the 3rd line, but both Winnik and Galiardi have much better CORSI numbers despite having similar zone start numbers as McGinn. And Winnik and Galiardi apparently matched up against other teams' middle 6, wheras McGinn was deployed against mainly bottom 6 (or, at least that is what I can glean from the Quality of Competition numbers).

While McGinn is probably the best offensive talent in the deal, I think he is the 3rd best player overall. The Sharks are likely better today than they were yesterday." ruben398 on Feb 27, 2012 | 12:34 PM

...to which someone replied with:

"I think these are all valid points-and I think it could be argued that Galiardi is a better offensive talent (just hasn't shown it this year or last, when he dealt with injuries)." Timorous Me on Feb 27, 2012 | 12:46 PM

(Lolz) This is what happened to the players involved:

  • Galiardi - in a grand total of 50 games for the Sharks, Gali put up 6g, 9a. His rights where then traded to the Flames for a 4th round pick in 2015.
  • Winnik - 21 games with the Sharks (3g, 2a), they let him walk as a UFA to the Ducks the next season.
  • The 7th round pick - without Googling, which of these three names is the one the Sharks picked: Miles Liberati, MacKenzie Weegar, or Emil Galimov? Because they're picks #205, 206, and 207 of the 2013 draft.
  • Connoly - played a couple games with the Avs, played a total of 78 with LEM (12g, 18a), rights not retained by Avs. Currently playing in Germany.
  • Sgarbossa - has played 6 for the Avs (no points) and 106 for LEM over 2 seasons (24g, 40a). Still has one more year on his 2-way contract.
  • McGinn - has accrued 143 games for the Avs (38g, 35a). Recently signed a 2-year extension.

February 19, 2011 - Avs send Chris Stewart, Kevin Shattenkirk, and a conditional 2nd round pick to the St. Louis Blues for Jay McClement, Erik Johnson, and a conditional 1st round pick.

This one created much havoc on both sides. Blues fans thought they had lost a defender who you could just feel was going to eventually turn the corner. But how long was the organization willing to wait? McClement was a fan-favorite, defensive specialist who was noted for his consistent, though never flashy play.

Similarly, Avs fans saw a potential blueline-scoring machine in Capt. Kirk and a developing, prototypical power forward in Chris (GODDAMN) Stewart.

Too many quotes to choose from, but no one was really happy, no one was really aghast... both sides knew that this trade would take a few seasons to let the pieces fall where they may.

(Come, time-travel with me! You can go here for MHH's reaction and here for STLGameTime's)

This is where those pieces are:

  • Chris Stewart - impressed right away in St. Louis finishing the season with 23 points (15g, 8a) in 26 games. The good news is that he put up identical numbers the next year (15g, 15a). The bad news is that he did that over 79 games. He was often a healthy scratch during the Blues' playoff run that year. He signed a one-year bridge deal with the hopes that he could return to initial-impression form. In many ways he did. 36 points in the shortened 48 games (18g, 18a). Less so in the 6 playoff games that year (0g, 1a). Still, it was enough to earn him a nice raise of $8.3m over 2 years! Then, after a disappointing 26 points (15g, 11a) in 58 games, he (along with the above mentioned Jaroslav Halak, William Carrier, a first-round draft pick in 2015, and a conditional draft pick in 2016) was traded this year to the Sabers for Steve Ott and Ryan Miller. (Miller was not given a renewal offer at the conclusion of this season and Ott still has one more year with a AAV hit of $2.95m)
  • Kevin Shattenkirk - has had a much more productive outcome for the Blues. In 236 regular season games, Shatty has 128 points (26g, 102a). He also has a respectable 9 points in 21 playoff games (2g, 7a). He just finished his first year of a 4-year $4.25m AAV contract. While there's no denying his offensive abilities, I'll leave to others here to decipher all the advanced stats to show if how skewed his TOI is while leaving the harder opposition to J-Bow and Pietrangelo.
  • 2nd round pick - Ty Rattie. By all accounts he appears to be a good prospect for the Blues. He hasn't yet claimed his place with the main team playing only 2 games this past year, but that probably says more about his teammates than it does about him.
  • Jay McClement - Played 104 games for the Avs (11g, 10a), but if you were looking for points from Silent Jay, you were looking in the wrong place. The Avs chose not to re-sign Jay after 2012 and he went to the Leafs for 2 years at $1.5m per. Personally, I thought he was a reliable defensive specialist and had the financial reigns not been so tight at the time, would have been a great player to have for 2 more years for a shade less than Johnny Malkin or Tal-Butt ($1.8m and 1.75m per respectively).
  • Erik Johnson - EJ started slowly. For a while it looked like we had just bought a lemon. In his first 2 and a half seasons with the Avs he only put 7 goals and meager 33 assists. Over 126 games. No es bueno. Then, Saint Patrick and Andre Tourigny came onto the scene like the fucking Kool-Aid Man and Johnson said "Oh, yeah!" by netting 9 goals and 30 assists in just 80 games. Nearly the same number of points in 40 fewer games? *toothless grin*
  • 1st round pick - Duncan Siemens. Pure evil. Seriously, do a Google Image Search for "Duncan Siemens Smile" (you don't have to use the quotation marks).

This is the best result you'll find. And this is moments after being the 11th overall picked player (and the 4th defender). This is him happy. Granted, I haven't seen him feasting on the souls of his opponents. It's possible that when he does there's some bright green bile that drips down his chin as he shows you his piercing teeth after laying out a speeding winger trying to go around him...I just haven't personally seen it happen yet. There are high hopes for Duncan. He's struggled with some injuries this past year, but he's still just 20. He has room to develop (much in the way that Rattie does).

Look, I'm not saying Briere is a sure-bet for 30 goals, or that PA was useless and the Habs will see that eventually. My only point is: be happy. Be frustrated. Be concerned. But, damn... stop talking like this one trade is the end of the world or that it will set the Avs back 3 years. You don't know. I don't know. It's something different, let's give it a shot.

If you only put Kraft singles on your grilled cheeses you'll never know of the awesomeness that is Gruyere. Seriously, that shit's amazing. And it kinda rhymes with Briere, so... you know... transitive properties and stuff.

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