Game 77: Flames At Avalanche, Preview And Open Thread

Flames again. Phadouche will be back in The Can, up to his usual dirty tricks, but this time with an able-to-fight Lappy no doubt itching for a good scrap with him. Lappy fought in the Edmonton game for the first time in weeks now that his lacerated finger has healed, and he definitely had a good showing. Let's hope he wastes little time wrecking the Flame-Outs defenseman.
Now, lets talk about line combinations for the 150 millionth time, shall we? I know everybody is just dying to talk about them some more, so I don't have a choice.
Dater (who I owe some serious royalty checks to lately), says tonight's lines (at least for half of the first period) will appear as such:
Wolski-Sakic-Brunette
Smyth-Stastny-Hejduk
Forsberg-Arnason-Jones
McLeod-Guite-Laperriere
In his morning preview of tonight's game, Dater asked Coach Q about Wolski returning to the first line with Super Joe and Andrew Brunette. Quenneville said:
Asked about his line-juggling for tonight and in general, Quenneville responded: "All the lines have played together at some point. (Wolski) has played the way we were hoping he'd play the last little while, and he earned an opportunity to be back with Joe and (Brunette)."
Okay, let's see. First of all, saying "all the lines have played together at some point," doesn't say a lot, considering the vast multitude of combinations that have been employed this season. Saying "all the lines have played together at some point" as evidence that there will be some kind of chemistry is beyond absurd. Granted, the Sakic-Wolski-Brunette line has been reasonably successful (11 games, 7 goals, 13 assists), but it's not like they've played together for a while now, and I'm sure there's absolutely no pressure for Wolski's young shoulders to bear. I'm sure he's gotten nothing but support from his coach.
As for the second half of Q's sentence, what the hell? Wolski has "earned an opportunity to be back with Joe" and Brunette? This bizarre merit system of "earning" spots on special lines with talented players is for the pee wees, not for professional players who have already established their specific techniques and playing styles. You put guys on the same line who have complimentary temperaments and skill sets, not by who has the most gold stars for whatever arbitrary thing they did or didn't do a couple of games back. This ridiculous system of punishment and reward has poisoned team chemistry all season, and now the players are even admitting it in interviews.
Wolski should have "earned" the spot on a line with Sakic and Brunette because he's got excellent puck control and skates well, and because that line combo has been the second-most consistent for the team all season, with a points-per-game average of 1.82. This is not rocket science.
Luckily, the most-consistent line combination, the illustrious RPM Line of Paul Stastny, Ryan Smyth and Milan Hejduk, is finally back together. Sure, it took a while, but thanks to Wolski "earning" the chance to play with Sakic and Brunette, that gives room for Ryan Smyth to return to the only line he seems capable of scoring on.
Finally, Peter Forsberg is expected to return, and this time he'll be down on the third line with Tyler Arnason and David Jones. Sure, there's no reason for Arnason to ever play a game that isn't against Edmonton, but I'm sure he'll be just fine next to Foppa. Right. And poor Jones probably isn't even sure what city he's in right now, let alone who his linemates are. Conceivably, being on the third line will cut down on Forsberg's excessive ice time, but that's yet to be seen. I think it's worth noting that Peter The Great's average ice time over the four games he's played this season (20:16) is greater than his averages over the previous five years. In 2002-03, when he scored 106 points and won the Hart Trophy, he only averaged 19:20, including PP work. Now he's older, more injury-prone, and rusty as hell. What is the logic again in playing him so much?
Speaking of older and more injury-prone, Adam Foote and his 90 year-old hip will not play tonight. Rest up, Footer. Don't rush it---we've seen what kind of mistake that can be, just ask Son of Stastny.
Oh yeah, the Flames. I guess this game is kind of important, but at this point I'm not even sure I want the Avalanche to make the playoffs. I mean, I always want them to make the playoffs and win the Cup, but I fear a first-round sweep at the hands of the Red Wings and a new contract for Coach Q are burdens the team probably doesn't need to bear.
The game starts tonight at 7:30 PM Mountain time, 9:30 Eastern. I'll be here with bells on, but no pants. Never any pants.
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Those lines
look almost identical to the lineup I left in a comment of at Dater's blog. I even explained Forsberg on the 3rd. He's got the wrong Cody in there, IMO, but whatever.
I assume Theo's in net tonight?
Yep
Theodore back in goal in a half-decent coaching move (hopefully)
by Shane @ Mile High Hockey on Mar 24, 2008 11:51 AM MDT up reply actions
Re: Yep
True, but Dater said Theo looked pretty bad in practice. Hopefully he shakes off the cobwebs or whatever it is that's plaguing him.
Re: definitely
I agree.
I assume that Q thinks he needs some added enforcement because of the Godard factor---except that McLeod can't fight.
Phaneuf still douche'n it up
I watched the Wild-Flames game the other day and Phaneuf is possibly getting worse. Early in the first he skates in on Backstrom and gives him an obviously deliberate snow shower. Boogard (or Fedoruk) then got in his face in the ensuing scrum but he managed to weasel away, come around back and grab Nick Schultz from behind. What a tough guy.
Then of course Eric Godard has to fight Boogard to settle the score Phaneuf started. And then shortly after Boogard beat up on Godard, Jim Vandermeer ended up taking on Chris Simon and got absolutely pummeled. So two guys ended up paying for Phaneuf's doucheyness.
Oh, and then he scores a friggin' highlight reel goal. I think that's what pissed me off the most ;)
by Shane @ Mile High Hockey on Mar 24, 2008 11:51 AM MDT reply actions
Re: Phaneuf
Let's hope Lappy goes straight for Phadouche and manages to avoid Godard or Simon. Those guys are crazy, and Parker is still hurt.
Boogard and Lappy
Should take a page from Roy's son and just start throwing punches whether Phadouche wants to or not.
God that would be fun to see.
by Jibblescribbits on Mar 24, 2008 12:13 PM MDT up reply actions
Re: Boogard and Lappy
Is Patrick ready to make the jump to NHL head coach yet?
by Bob in Boulder on Mar 24, 2008 12:33 PM MDT up reply actions
Wow
Roy Jr. sure can throw down. Damn, he wailed on that guy's ass, lol. So what if Roy told him to go fight? Nothing wrong with that. Coaches do that all the time. It's not like he told him to go and pummel that guy while he's down.
by Mike the Avs Fan on Mar 24, 2008 1:04 PM MDT up reply actions
Re: Boogard
I think it's pretty pathetic that Little Roy went after the other goalie. Sure, it's entertaining, but it's about the most shameless, uncalled-for attack I've seen in a long time.
That kid (and he is a kid) didn't instigate or encourage the attack, and clearly didn't deserve a beat down.
Little Roy is a chump, if his behavior in this fight is indicative of his character as a whole.
Re: Roy jr
I agree that's pretty classless.
Why the hell did the refs throw down the kid in white who tried to protect his goalie? That made no sense to me
by Jibblescribbits on Mar 24, 2008 1:57 PM MDT up reply actions
Re: Roy jr
I want to assume that they were just overwhelmed by the chaos and didn't really know what to do.
Or Saint Patrick has deep pockets (he does) and greased a few palms...
Better fighter, worse goalie
Lil' Roy's a better fighter than his old man. But a worse goalie, as his team was getting tuned up 7-1.
A douchey move by Lil' Roy, but by the same token, the other goalie had plenty of warning and should have been ready to fight. Even that midget Chris Osgood knew he had to fight, and held his own against Patrick when the time came to it.
Actually, this is just anything to avoid having to think, much less write about the losing streak.
by Dan Winkler on Mar 24, 2008 2:50 PM MDT up reply actions
Re: Better fighter
Actually, this is just anything to avoid having to think, much less write about the losing streak.
I have a feeling that, depending on how the game goes, this entire thread might end up being about anything and everything other than the actual game.
And, as one more aside...
...people never cease to amaze me. A few minutes ago there's a guy at work in the bathroom (presumably) taking a Bertuzzi. Stall door is closed, that's the big clue. Anyway, I hear a grunting noise from in there, which I immediately try to shut out - I figured he's "struggling" a bit, and I don't need to hear that, you know what I mean? But the noise keeps coming...and I realize that he is grunting, but he's grunting like he's saying "yeah," or "uh-huh." Then I hear this guy START TALKING - not loud or even at normal volume, but not at a whisper, either. And at that point I'm just thinking that this might be one of the Signs of the Apocalypse.
Seriously...what's so important that you've got to talk about it while you're taking a Chelios?
by Dan Winkler on Mar 24, 2008 3:13 PM MDT up reply actions
lol
roflmao!
Some guys just reeeeeeealy love taking their Drapers, maybe he was using a Phadouche? lmfao
by Mike the Avs Fan on Mar 24, 2008 4:30 PM MDT up reply actions
I thought you were going somewhere else with this
Thank Roy you didn't. Senior, not junior. I thought you were going to say he was spanking his Ott.
by Bob in Boulder on Mar 24, 2008 4:43 PM MDT up reply actions
Re: Aside
I really like when our talks digress to gratuitous pictures of half-naked smoking-hot women and not to bodily functions with asshole-players names...
So to get us going:

by Jibblescribbits on Mar 24, 2008 5:14 PM MDT up reply actions
Replace
I'd be happy to help Ms Miller upgrade to the smaller sleeker "Nano". Heck I'll even give her mine
by Jibblescribbits on Mar 24, 2008 5:38 PM MDT up reply actions
Hmmmmm
How bout an ipod shuffle? Oh yeaaah.
by Mike the Avs Fan on Mar 24, 2008 6:45 PM MDT up reply actions
Kittens fighting back
They've obviously had enough of this crap, and are fighting back:

by Jibblescribbits on Mar 24, 2008 5:16 PM MDT reply actions
Wooohooooo!
Yeaaaaah! Go kittens!!! Woooooohooooo! Show that stupid Avs powerplay!!! Do not be afraid, stand and fight!!!
THIS IS SPARTA!!!!!!
lmao
by Mike the Avs Fan on Mar 24, 2008 6:44 PM MDT up reply actions
Noooooo
Our power play has enough problems without even the kittens scoring on us shorthanded.
And Marissa....damn, is it ever too early?
by Americanario on Mar 24, 2008 7:19 PM MDT up reply actions
lol
They're not too bad, it's not like it's full nudity or something lol.
by Mike the Avs Fan on Mar 24, 2008 7:39 PM MDT up reply actions
Quick question
Is anybody rooting for the Avs to tank? Hoping Lacroix will get pissed, forcing normally mild-mannered Giguere to fire Q? Or, play for the playoffs despite seeing a very likely first round exit by Detroit, Dallas, or San Jose (maybe Anaheim), and possibly keeping Q?
Philisophical question
Is it ever okay to root for your favorite team to tank?
Re: Philosophical question
It depends on if you believe the whole "gotta break some eggs to make an omelet" statement.
Playoffs
I simply cannot root for the Avs NOT to make the playoffs. I do want Q gone, I just hope we can have that and the playoffs.
Iggy
is almost as big a douche bag as Phadouche
by Americanario on Mar 24, 2008 8:05 PM MDT up reply actions
I've said it before...
I'll say it again, the Avs can NOT miss the playoffs! Hockey in Denver will be dead!!!!!
btw, did I mentions Phaneuf is a douchebag? Where is Scott Parker dammit?
by Mike the Avs Fan on Mar 24, 2008 8:03 PM MDT reply actions
PK
Avs go on the kill, both teams are pushing and shoving. Forsberg goes to the box for a pretty blatant slash.
What the fuck is wrong with him?
Slashing on Foppa = BS
I've seen a least three penalties on the Flames not get called, and they call that?
Re: Slashing
You're right the Flames have gotten away with some bullshit, but Foppa was playing baseball with that guy's back.
Iggy on the radar
Lappy is now chirping at Iginla, and now he's yelling at the ref and mocking him for not calling a penalty when Stastny got leveled.
Holy shitte!!!!
wtf wtf wtf was that????? Stastny just got totally harassed by Huselius and it wasn't called??? That was bs!!!!!!
by Mike the Avs Fan on Mar 24, 2008 8:11 PM MDT reply actions
First Period
Hockey-wise, that was a pretty even period. 7 shots for Calgary, 6 for the Avs.
Physically, the Flames were getting away with all kinds of crap, and both teams look ready to brawl. Lappy, McLeod and even Jones have been giving Iginla an earful all night long.
And Padouche has his running shoes on
just waiting to run away from anyone who tries to go after him face-to-face.
by Americanario on Mar 24, 2008 8:17 PM MDT up reply actions
Oh no!
Those poor elementary school kids were exposed to an Avalanche trainer! I'm sure half of them left with strained groin muscles.
Poor things...
if any of them need surgery
for a hernia or the likes, we'll know something is seriously wrong
by Americanario on Mar 24, 2008 8:26 PM MDT up reply actions
Yappy Lappy
Laperriere is still giving the Flames crap. He's trying to get Phadouche to go, but the coward won't drop the gloves.
Oh snap
Liles nearly cut Kippers' feet off with that sliding crash into the net.
The Avs are finally shifting the momentum away from the Flames, who have dominated the period so far.
PP time
Phadouche hits McLeod for no reason, goes to the box for interference. Avs get a power play for what it's worth.
PP again
Avs go on another PP after another interference call against the Flames. Owen Nolan was the culprit.
load another kitten
The Avs can't score twice on the power play can they? isn't that like lightning striking twice?
COWARD
Phadouche takes a run on Theodore, Hannan tosses him down, and roughs him up, and Phadouche was trying desperately trying to get away.
Seriously, what a waste.
And now Iginla and Finger go to the box for roughing after the play.
Another coward move
Phadouche goes to the box for ANOTHER interference penalty. He shoved an elbow into Stastny from behind for no reason.
Somebody needs to wreck him---now.
not only that
but know Smyth going to the box? not sure if that isn't a make-up call for something.
by Americanario on Mar 24, 2008 9:00 PM MDT up reply actions
PK
And now, to keep things interesting, the Avs go on the PK for something dumb Ryan Smyth did, I think.
Ridiculous
Now it's just getting ridiculous with all the pushing and shoving. The Flames are totally riled up.
Lappy gets a star of the game for making them lose their focus. Good work.
Marissa's just hanging out, waiting for the final frame.

flames announcers suck
Wow, Roger Millions and Charlie Whoopdiefuck just plain suck. And they are even less annoying today than usual. What a bunch of a-holes.
McNabb and Haynes
I would rather have two guys that just love the game of hockey than two douchebags who think only their team knows how to play the game.
PK again
Smyth gets two minutes, Avs go on the PK again.
And McNab just jinxed them by noting how excellent they've been at killing penalties so far. Thanks, Peter.
One timer
Wolski made a superb pass to Sakic in the deep slot for a skating one-timer, but Kipper was cool and stopped it cold.
Uh oh
The Avs are starting to look suspiciously like a team trying to sit on a lead.
Calgary is getting too much puck time.
I was thinking the same
at least they aren't just waiting for Calgary to bring it to them...they are trying to shut the Flames down in the NZ.
by Americanario on Mar 24, 2008 9:42 PM MDT up reply actions
Nice play by liles,
Though about the shot but passed it down low to work more time off the clock.
by Americanario on Mar 24, 2008 9:43 PM MDT up reply actions
Theodore down
Yelle crashed into Theodore hard, Theo was donw on the ice and grimacing. The trainer was rubbing his shoulder and neck, but he appears okay.
That's teh second time
Yelle has crashed Theo this period!
by Americanario on Mar 24, 2008 9:46 PM MDT up reply actions
Goal
Smyth with the other assist. He totally jobbed Phadouche in the corner and got the puck up front.
Dion gets a - 1 on that play.
MILAN!
MILAN HEJDUK!
I think this is because my 6 year old nephew got a new Hejduk jersey today. He lives in California, but I've brain-washed him well.
Good for you
My daughter has a sakic jersey
by Americanario on Mar 24, 2008 9:48 PM MDT up reply actions
What?
Keenan pulls Kipper, puts Curtis Joseph in net. That's only two goals against, Keenan, what's up with that?
RE: WHAT?
that is a little strange...hoping it will shock his team into a goal? It's not like they've played bad?
by Americanario on Mar 24, 2008 9:51 PM MDT up reply actions
Wait?!?
Wait, you mean there re other teams in this league with coaches that make mind-boggling decisions?
Keenan
is the dean of the fucking-with-your-goalie-for-no-apparent reason school of hockey coaching.
by andrew @ Mile High Hockey on Mar 24, 2008 10:01 PM MDT up reply actions
Does that mean Q's
the assistant dean/head boy(Whatever's just below him, they don't have deans in Australia so i wouldn't know. That plus i didn't go to University)
Calgary PP with a minute left
Sauer for hooking.
by andrew @ Mile High Hockey on Mar 24, 2008 9:58 PM MDT reply actions
Stupid
Sauer gets called for a minor, the Flames will finish the game on the power play.
55 seconds left---Calgary time out.
And I don't like that call
Yes it is hooking, but when the opposing players tries to step over your stick and then high centers himself on it, you should get whistled.
by Americanario on Mar 24, 2008 9:59 PM MDT up reply actions
Fake out
Dater said Theodore looked rotten in practice yesterday, but he looked freakin' superb tonight.
A huge shut out for him, and a huge win for the Avs.
He won't get one, but Ian Laperriere deserves a star for his tireless pestering. The Flames were pissed and playing poorly at times.
The Avs stay in eighth place in a tie with Vancouver, who have played one less game (at least as of right now).
Stars of the Game:
- Jordan Leopold
- John-Michael Liles
- Jose Theodore
Re: Fake out
The mic died during the Theodore interview, so we don't get to hear any hockey cliches from him.
Oh well. I'm out. See you guys/gals in the recap tomorrow.
Pimp Cane in Full Effect
Second shutout of the year, right?
by andrew @ Mile High Hockey on Mar 24, 2008 10:01 PM MDT reply actions
3rd
1st against Tampa Bay
2nd against Ducks
and #3 Tonight
by Americanario on Mar 24, 2008 10:04 PM MDT up reply actions
Avs win one
They will maintain their lead over Nashville and Edmonton at least for another night. They also tie Vancouver who plays Calgary tomorrow before coming to Denver on Wednesday.
Did you guys notice something?
There was absolutely NO line juggling tonight! With the exception of some lines being out due to players not being able to get off the ice, the lines stayed the same throughout! They were the RPM line, Sakic-Wolski-Brunette, Arnie-Foppa-Jones, and Guite-Lappy-McLeod. Unbelievable! I thought the day would never come! So, does this mean that not juggling lines is actually a good thing?? Who'd a thunk it?!
by Mike the Avs Fan on Mar 24, 2008 10:05 PM MDT reply actions
No way...
had to have been a fluke, and no it can not be a good thing. Q is a Jack Adams candidate after all, he must know what he's doing.
by Americanario on Mar 24, 2008 10:17 PM MDT up reply actions
So
It was not an especially special game. Really, the Avs decided to show up and play. But I guess this makes it easier to write a more positive* game recap.
Nothing personal to anyone, really. Phadouche sucks! Our PP still sucks. 5-3 and no shots, please!!! But whatever. We won and are still, for now, in the race for the playoffs. Go Avs!!!
I'm a fan, now matter how much it hurts.
They need to get rid of the instigator penalty
and bring more physicality back into the game. I'm not talking about all in brawls like the "Fight Night at the Joe" although that was cool and is good in big rivalries like the Avs/Wings at the time. I'm talking about crap where Phadouche starts cheapshotting people(especially star players) and you can't really do anything about it because of all these rules, plus the fact he's a little bitch,























