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Goin' Back To Denver

So I took Sunday off to rest and forget about the Avalanche for a day, a recuperative break that was very much needed after their pathetic showing on Saturday afternoon.

I enjoyed watching the Penguins beat the Rangers 2-0, and enjoyed the almost-constant debate about whether or not Sidney Crosby is, in fact, a diver.  And then watching Chris Drury take an obvious dive on a weak holding call was icing on the cake.  Nobody even mentioned what was so clear on the screen: he dropped to the ice for no reason other than to secure a power play for his team.  And you know what?  It was the right move, because his team wasn't getting the chances they needed and another power play was better than nothing.  Is Chris Drury a bad hockey player?  No, he's a great hockey player, and his dive was strategically very smart, if ultimately futile.  If you believe a hockey game is as much a chess match as a battle of will and honor, then you probably agree with me.

But anyway, about the Avalanche.  I really find it strange that here (and elsewhere) there has been an ongoing debate (more like attack and defense) about which team---the Avs or the Wings---is more talented.  I fail to see how any of that talk matters at all.  Games aren't won on paper, they're won on the ice.  The Avalanche could have four or five hall of fame players in their lineup and have the best goaltender of all time, but if they get out-scored 5-1, none of it matters.  Or 7-0.  The only thing that matters is the scoreboard.

I may have academic tendencies (law school starts in the fall), but there's no academic argument to be had here.  I don't care how good or "deep" the Avs may be, they're still not winning games.  The Avs have gotten beat twice, and they're now down two games to none heading home for game 3 tomorrow.  

A truly deep team would shrug off injuries to its top offensive and defensive players and keep winning games.  The Avs have not done that.  They have lost (for various reasons, not just injury) Peter Forsberg, Wojtek Wolski, Scott Hannan and Jose Theodore, and they have lost the first two games of the series, one in pathetic fashion, to the hated Red Wings.

One could argue that the Avs have been disadvantaged in all six games they have played against the Red Wings this season, and one would be right.  Joe Sakic, Ryan Smyth, Paul Stastny, Marek Svatos, and the players I mentioned above have all missed time against Detroit.  But does that matter?  The only thing that matters is that the Avalanche, once equal to (or better than) their archenemies from Emptytown, are 0-6 against them this season.

0-6.  

By the end of the week they could be 0-8.  

There's nothing to argue with anyone about which team is better, or more talented, or deeper, or more hampered by injuries, or more prone to injuries, or dirtier, or whatever.  The only thing that matters is the score when the final horn sounds.  Is that a cop-out?  Who cares?  The winner of the series is determined by the scoreboard, and the scoreboard alone, and to argue otherwise is a waste of time and effort.

The Avs know they have to get it together.  They know that they have to turn at least some attention to freakin' Johan Franzen and his merry band of second-liners.  They're getting beat by the support staff, which is even worse than getting beat by Zetterberg and Datsyuk, because everyone expects them to score.  

I think it's telling that a guy named Mule, who had never had a hat trick in his professional life, scored one against the Avs in the playoffs.  If the Avs are to pull out of this series, that guy can never score again.

This isn't over, and a 2-0 deficit is not insurmountable, but things aren't looking good.  I have faith that the Avs can pull out a win in this series, because I love the team and want them to win the Cup.  The rest is up to them, whoever is healthy and on the ice in the Burgundy and Blue for the remainder of the series.

Go Avs!

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I don't get why
Dead Wing fans are making such a huge deal about which team is more talented, if it was the only way around and the Avs were up 2-0 in the series and 6-0 in the season then i'd just be sitting there going, yeah but guess what buddy, wer're winning so it doesn't matter.
Quenneville said Jose Theodore will start Game 3 for Colorado. He has allowed eight goals on 36 shots. Peter Budaj has stopped 39-of-40 shots. But Theodore deserves another start, Quenneville said.
"He's our guy, and he had a good stretch for us. I think these extra couple days of rest are going to do wonders for him," Quenneville said.
The playoffs are over, Why is Theo still starting, the week's rest did nothing and this couple of days won't either, he's hopeless against the Wings. WTF does Budaj have to do to get a game. As much as i hate to say this because Boots is my favourite player(plus i forked out $300 including postage on a home Budaj jersey last year) but he needs to be traded or not resign after his contract, he'll never be given a fair shot at the #1 while Q's there. Imagine if the Hurricanes stayed with Gerber in the '05-'06 playoffs or if Ottawa stayed with him in '06-'07 playoffs. The 'Canes wouldn't have a cup and the Sens wouldn't have a conference banner hanging from the rafters.

Also the strikeout in the title didn't work and it looks really wierd.

by Savage33 on Apr 28, 2008 8:42 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Huh

Weird about the title.  It looked fine in the preview.  Thanks for the heads-up.

by Joe Dunman on Apr 28, 2008 8:53 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

This thing's not over!
Was it over when the German's bombed Pearl Harbor?

by Bob in Boulder on Apr 28, 2008 10:34 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

You know

I think this is the best strategy for watching Avalanche games:

by Joe Dunman on Apr 28, 2008 10:51 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK

that's weird.  I just now saw that after finishing my post...

by Mike @ MHH on Apr 29, 2008 8:26 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

All kidding aside

You're right, it's not over.  Game 3 is the most crucial game of any seven game playoff.  If the Avs win this they are right back in the mix.  The last lost was certainly tough to watch, there can be little arguement there.  

However, this isn't the Rockies nor the Nuggets we are talking about here where once the slide starts there's no hope in sight.  Hockey is a sport where the hardest working team can win on any given night with the right goaltending and the right opportunities.  We've seen this with the Kings and Oil in past years.  It's the one sport where talent descrapancies can be midigated when using the right approach.

I expect the Avs to come out with their A game tonight.  There should be plenty of guys finishing their checks (Hejduk and Arnason not(oh yes, wait for it!)withstanding). The hockey playoffs are an emotional rollercoaster and it's understandable that a lot of fans are dispondent.  But all that can change with a win tonight.

I think there's not only a lot of experience in the Avalanche lockerroom but there is a ton of pride in that room as well.  If the Avs are outclassed then I want to watch my team go down with a fight.  Herb Brooks would tell the boys to "play their game".  Foote is going to yell at anyone and everyone in the room to pull their heads out.  Lappy is going to skate through a brick wall and give everything he has to the club and you know that Sakic is going to play his quiet part and pull out his silent but deadly part in this play.

Keep your chins up boys, it certainly isn't over.

by Dario on Apr 28, 2008 11:36 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hopefully the Wings will show up tonight

but the Avs will show up tomorrow, for the actual game.  The Nugs will complete their quit job in the Can tonight.

by Bob in Boulder on Apr 28, 2008 11:46 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Hopefully

Be nice, I think you know that's what he meant.

by Joe Dunman on Apr 28, 2008 11:57 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Hopefully
I meant no derision towards Dario at all Net Nanny.  If my tone appeared otherwise, I certainly apologize.  I always appreciate Dario's takes.  I save my true belittlement towards RW fans ... although I currently don't have a groin ... errrrr ..... ankle ...... errrr .... leg to stand on in that department.

by Bob in Boulder on Apr 28, 2008 12:27 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Hopefully

Hey, I figured you weren't being a jerk, I just worried that sarcasm is hard to detect in typed form.

I care so deeply for you all, my little children.

by Joe Dunman on Apr 28, 2008 12:44 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, since your post was directed at me...

...you don't seem to have gotten my point in the first place.

The Avs are the more talented team, but the Wings are winning the series. Instead of wondering why I'd say the Avs are more talented (which really isn't debatable), the idea I was directing you to the question of why the less talented team is beating the more talented team.

You're right that a deep team should be able to shrug off injuries and still win. But we're not doing that. That's my point.

The fact that we haven't shrugged off the injuries and beaten the Wings anyway doesn't disprove the fact that we are both deeper and more talented than the Wings. The fact that we haven't shrugged off the injuries and won anyway proves that there's something else wrong with the team. It's coaching. It's leadership. It's effort. It's chemistry.

Think back to all those Davids who knocked off the Goliaths over the years...the 05-06 Oilers, the 02-03 Ducks, the 01-02 Hurricanes, so on and so forth. Teams that were lacking talent, but beat more talented teams along the way to Cup runs. What did they all have in common? Coaching. Leadership. Effort. Chemistry.

Those four things will take you further in this game than talent alone will.

But take any of those teams and any other so-called "Cinderella" teams over the years and put them up against the 84-85 Oilers or the 76-77 Canadiens...teams that had coaching, leadership, effort and chemistry as well as the best collection of talent in the league. Those so-called "Cinderella" teams don't stand a chance.

We're saddled with a Jeckyl and Hyde team. We have the best collection of talent in the league, but because of bad coaching and leadership, we have no effort. And because of bad coaching and injuries, we have no chemistry. It's frustrating as hell, because this team has the ability to win the Cup this year, but because we lack those four key ingredients, we're lucky to even be in the 2nd round.

I'm now seeing people focus on who the goalie is going to be next game. Bashing Q for going with Theodore over Budaj and ignoring the pink elephant in the room. It's silly.

by Neptune on Apr 28, 2008 4:29 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Well...

Instead of wondering why I'd say the Avs are more talented (which really isn't debatable),

We have the best collection of talent in the league, but because of bad coaching and leadership, we have no effort.

Wait, I know the lyrics to this song!

by Mike @ MHH on Apr 29, 2008 8:28 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Well...

You can sing along with the rest of us!

by Joe Dunman on Apr 29, 2008 9:31 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Franzen: Mule -or- Hinny?

From wikipedia:

In its common modern meaning, a mule is the offspring of a male donkey and a female horse, which is classified as a kind of F1 hybrid. The reverse, the offspring of a male horse and a female donkey, is called a hinny.

I think we need to change Franzen's nickname. Anything to ruin his mojo at this point would be just $%^&'n fantastic.  I would propose a rule much like those in the game threads if it were within my rights here, but either way, from now on our friend Johan is known as nothing more than the hinny to me.  

BTW, love the site and the threads.  Created an account just to share this one.  Don't expect to be hear form me often, but...

GO AVS

by jbaile38 on Apr 28, 2008 5:03 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

OK

first Texacogirl is 'Tacogirl' and I swear the first time I read your username it said 'Jailbait38'. Maybe I need to see somebody about that.

Still, welcome to the site, and jump in as much as possible.  It's the PLAYOFFS!

by Mike @ MHH on Apr 29, 2008 8:30 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

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