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All Quiet On The Coach Q Front

One of the biggest question marks hovering above the Colorado Avalanche this offseason is the future of coach Joel Quenneville, who has been defended by the mainstream press as he's been attacked by me and the rest of the online Avalanche community.  

So far, there is no word from the team.

Our take is that he's simply the wrong coach for the Avs.  The lineup, at least on paper, was built for speedy, score-at-will offense.  Paul Stastny, Joe Sakic, Wojtek Wolski, Milan Hejduk, with Ryan Smyth and Andrew Brunette down low, were the foundation of a run-and-gun attack that could have led the league in goals scored.  Instead they spent most of the year below the goal line or dumping the puck and weakly chasing it into the corners.  

Sure, injuries played a big role in the lower productivity of the Avalanche offense, but the replacements---TJ Hensick, David Jones, Jaroslav Hlinka---are all quick, shoot-first-ask-questions-later kind of players.  They're skill guys.  And they suffered similar problems once injected into Coach Q's system of dump and give up.

For the most part, his defenders have only the horrendous amount of injuries to point to as reason to keep Coach Q around.  "It wasn't his fault" is pretty much their only line of argument.

From Kiszla:

With everything on the plate of general manager Francois Giguere, why hasn't a contract extension for Coach Q been signed, sealed and delivered already?

You can quibble about Quenneville's tinkering with his lines, slam the lack of productivity on the power play or decry the coach's history of impatience with goaltending. Passionate detractors can be heard grumbling from the cheap seats of the Pepsi Center.

But after Coach Q gutted out adversity the hockey gods seemed to take great pleasure in giving the Avs via nasty crosschecks and significant injuries to Sakic, rising star Paul Stastny and big free-agent acquisition Ryan Smyth, it seems to me that Quenneville's performance has earned another term on the Colorado bench.

Coach Q "gutted out adversity," but the team failed to win.  The best coaches are those that continue to win despite personnel losses.  Coach Q didn't do that.  In fact, at times the team seemed crippled by his line combinations, his atrocious power play strategies and the dreaded goalie carousel---the existence of which doomed the Avs in the early season and the non-existence of which doomed them in the post-season.  

For what it's worth, Terry Frei points out the major failures of the coach, even though he says later in the article that Coach Q will likely get a new contract:

In fact, the Wings might even have done the Avs favors by giving them such a rude face wash and making it obvious that Detroit's strengths — including speed, puck control and movement; an ability to make opposing forecheckers look silly; proficiency at setting up in the offensive zone; and then awe-inspiring passing throughout the zone, and not just down low — highlighted Colorado's shortcomings. And then there was Colorado's hard-to-explain ineptitude on the power play, a problem that needs to be aggressively addressed.

Was this problem a lack of skilled personnel or a lack of coaching ingenuity?

So far, there has been no word as to what Avalanche general manager Francois Giguere is going to do with Coach Q.  Says Dater:

I’m honestly a little baffled about what’s going on with Coach Q’s situation. Everybody is keeping real quiet about it, so I don’t have a great idea what’s going to happen at the moment. Coaches usually aren’t left hanging like this. I think he’ll be back, but it seems clear that Francois Giguere is at least still thinking about it some. The other question is, does Quenneville even really want to re-sign here? He’s not saying anything about it one way or the other, which is a little odd too.

If Giguere rehires Quenneville, he gets a coach who has led his team to the second round of the playoffs two years out of three (the other year they missed the playoffs altogether), but no division titles and a 2-13-1 record against traditional nemesis Detroit.  And both those second round appearances were embarrassing sweeps.  

On top of that, there's now word coming out that Coach Q had, to some extent, "lost the room" at times, at least with affable veteran Andrew Brunette.  Brunette, who has worn the A as an alternate captain for the Avs and is generally very well-liked and respected by fellow players, apparently had some major problems with his coach.

From Dater:

I think Andrew Brunette will be gone. I hope I’m wrong on that, too, because he’s a great guy to talk to about the game. He’d probably make a great coach some day. But I think he’s done here. He didn’t always see eye to eye with Joel Quenneville...

And from Kiszla:

Maybe a good player doesn't mesh with a smart coach's system. If Quenneville returns, it probably makes sense to let winger Andrew Brunette go as an unrestricted free agent.

If Coach Q's system was so smart, why couldn't Andrew Brunette, a good player who played well under a similar-minded coach (Jacques Lemaire in Minnesota), mesh with it?  Methinks the system wasn't so smart.

Hopefully Francois Giguere will do what's right for the team and seek a new coach, preferably one with a different background, mindset and style than Coach Quenneville.  And hopefully Quenneville moves on to a team more suited to him.

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great piece joe

I think it's a little nod to DD with the "cheap seats" comment from Kizla too.

As to the article, I agree wholeheartedly.  His style doesn't mesh with anything about this team -- let alone the kind of hockey I want to watch.  Please, if you read this blog FG, let him go!

by thedoctor on May 5, 2008 8:49 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I think Q's contributions

can best be summed up by how he utilized Ryan Smyth.  Smytty made his career in front of the net, both in Edmonton and with his brief stint in Long Island.  As soon as he put on the Burgandy and Blue, he was running his line from behind the net.  The devil's advocate in me might point to the lack of a hammer on the point that would help generate the rebounds and tips that Smyth feasts on as a reason to alter his style, and I could buy that if the altered style worked.  Unfortunately, it didn't. He had his lowest PPG (0.67) since the 99-00 season (0.66). Hell, he had almost a point-a-game last season with a horrible Edmonton team and an overachieving Isles team.  The change didn't work, and the team suffered for it, injuries or not.

The unwillingness to adapt (as evidenced by the PP throughout the season and the utilization of players) is my biggest beef against Q.  It was apparent that throughout the injuries, the style he prefered was more effective with the slightly-less-skilled/experienced, more grind-it out players he was forced to utilize than it was with the high-caliber offensive talent he had when the team was healthy.  The fact that he tried to have both groups play the same way is evidence of his horrible fit with this team, IMO.

And don't even get me started on the goalies...

by Mike @ MHH on May 5, 2008 9:03 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: I think Q's...

I think "adaptation" is the real theme here.  Q constantly "adapted" when there was no reason to do so: line combination and goalie changes.  And then when specific aspects of his system didn't work, he failed to adapt and change them and instead benched the players that couldn't adapt to him.

In sum: changes to things that worked and no changes to things that didn't.

by Joe Dunman on May 5, 2008 10:09 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Inside Job

Q is going to get an extension, I can feel it. The Lobby effort from GMC will be too strong. Get ready for another year of recycled "Its time for a line change" quotes. Except the line change Q is talking about is actually that you should change out your car for a big GMC! Get it? Its a play on hockey words.

Never trust the lunch lady.

by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on May 5, 2008 9:37 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Inside Job

Oh man!  I didn't get that at all!  

That Q sure is clever!

by Joe Dunman on May 5, 2008 10:06 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

The way I feel about the Avs today...

...is the same way I felt about my alma mater for so many years. I love Michigan football. Always did, throughout my whole childhood. But while I always supported the team, I was often torn as to whether I wanted them to win or lose, because losing might expedite the firing of Llloyd Carr.

On the surface, Carr and Quenneville are both viewed as really good coaches. If you don't actively follow the teams, you would assume that the fans love them. But Carr and Quenneville both had the same problems - they couldn't adapt to situations, they made decisions that made absolutely no logical sense, they didn't get anything out of the immense talent they were given, and you knew that the team was going to take a major dump at some point in the season due to the coach. You also knew they were going to get destroyed by their arch rival.

I've been on the "Fire Q" bandwagon since 1/4th of the way through his first season as head coach. I kept thinking this year that the sweep was a blessing in disguise if it meant that this asswipe was finally going to get fired.

This year, Michigan told Carr not to let the door hit him in the ass on the way out (he resigned, but everyone knew he would have been canned anyway), and we replaced him with a coach who will play a much more exciting, adaptable, 21st-century version of the game.

Here's hoping the Avs do the same.

I want Pat Burns, and I want him two seasons ago.

by Neptune on May 5, 2008 12:42 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Rich Rodriguez

I must admit that I'm only a casual college football fan (at the very most), but I can attest to the talents of Rodriguez as coach of the Mountaineers.  Over the last three seasons the one team Louisville (my hometown) has feared the most is West Virginia, their number one Big East rival.  

I have a feeling he'll be just as good at the helm of the football colossus that is Michigan as he was in Morgantown.

by Joe Dunman on May 5, 2008 12:59 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

He also

He also has the advantage of it being Michigan in recruiting. We are amongst the best in the nation in recruiting right now as is, and he's been very good at DubVee with the marginal talent he has had over the years. I imagine with a good, smart coach and with him having big time facilities, alumni and tradition behind him, this will end up working out really well.

And hey, if it doesn't, at least we finally got rid of Carr.

Now, let's get rid of Q.

by Neptune on May 5, 2008 3:27 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

But can he

..beat Tressel?

/tOSU grad

by Jibblescribbits on May 5, 2008 3:56 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey...

John Cooper was just inducted into the College Football Hall of Fame.

RichRod will probably begin his annual beating of Tre$$el in either 2009 or 2010.

by Neptune on May 5, 2008 8:32 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

After

The "Pac-Man"'s and Chris Henry's come to Ann Arbor

by Jibblescribbits on May 5, 2008 9:34 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Michigan doesn't...

Michigan doesn't go after the criminals. That's more of an Ohio $tate thing.

by Neptune on May 6, 2008 7:53 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Criminals

I thought it was official NCAA policy that college coaches recruit only players with prior felonies.

by Joe Dunman on May 6, 2008 8:29 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's only in the SEC.

Florida State, Miami and O$U are given a grandfather there as well.

by Neptune on May 6, 2008 2:28 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

WV

Is in the Big East

by Jibblescribbits on May 6, 2008 3:03 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, Hey

Everybody knows felons don't attend Ole Miss.  Only inbred retards (exhibit A: Eli Manning).

Also, my alma mater actually kicked players off the team for getting in a bar fight.  And they voluntarily suspended the starting quarterback for buying tires from a booster.

Just because R-Kansas and LSU recruit heavily from the juvinile and state pens doesn't mean ALL SEC schools do.  Plus Vandy thinks they're an Ivy League institution and thier football team reflects it.

by Mike @ MHH on May 6, 2008 3:16 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now

They do, under Rodriguez

by Jibblescribbits on May 6, 2008 9:06 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

What criminal...

...has Rich Rodriguez recruited while serving as the Head Coach at Michigan?

by Neptune on May 6, 2008 2:28 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well

It's only been like 2 months.. give him time

by Jibblescribbits on May 6, 2008 3:03 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good God Joe

You quoted Kiszla not once, but twice!

by Rookie14 on May 6, 2008 1:50 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Good God Joe

It's only because I have my finger on the pulse of the Denver media.

by Joe Dunman on May 6, 2008 5:23 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

well then

you had better damn well wash your hands.  

by Bob in Boulder on May 6, 2008 9:48 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

and

wear gloves next time...

by Mike @ MHH on May 6, 2008 3:17 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

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