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The Ax Rarely Falls In Denver, For What It's Worth

Jim Armstrong at the Denver Post looks at the strange coaching atmosphere in Denver professional sports in that it's almost impossible for anyone to get fired:

Denver has become the exception to the rule in pro sports. For whatever reason, local coaches are immune from the pressure felt by their contemporaries in other markets.

They say they're under pressure to win, but are they? If they don't win, it's not like they lose their jobs. Maybe they don't get a new company car or a ringing endorsement in the newspapers, but they don't lose their jobs.

The last coach of one of Denver's major pro sports franchises to get the gas? That would be the Avs' Tony Granato, who was replaced by Joel Quenneville in 2004 and promptly hired as an assistant coach.

So there you have it. Even when a coach gets fired around here, he doesn't get fired.

Presumably this piece has something to do with Coach Q's situation, except that not renewing an expired contract is not exactly the same thing as being fired.  So even if Q finds employment with a different NHL team this summer, he wouldn't technically have been given the ax by the Avalanche.

Details aside, what if Coach Q does pack his bags and take that manly mustache of his into the sunset?  Who would replace him?

Well, Tony Granato would be a top candidate, of course, having already briefly coached the Avs back in 2003 and 2004.  He's had three more years as assistant coach and presumably has further developed his skills behind the bench (minus the power play).  Don't forget, despite all the criticism he has faced, that he holds the best winning percentage of all four Avalanche coaches (.647) and a better playoff percentage than Joel Quenneville (.500 and .421, respectively).

Ron Wilson may be departing from sunny San Jose, so he could also be a candidate.  Rumor has it that anything less than a very deep run in the playoffs by the Sharks would mean Wilson's ouster, and you have to assume that he will be highly sought by various teams if he is indeed let go in the coming days/weeks.

Another coach facing possible unemployment is Tampa Bay boss John Tortorella, he of the fiery disposition and preference for run-and-gun offense.  He's currently coaching Team USA in the World Championships, but may find himself polishing his resume when he returns.  If the Avs were to hire him, he would maintain one coaching legacy (sweet facial hair) and rekindle another (bat shit craziness) that have defined the Colorado franchise.

Facing Tortorella in the World Championships is Canada's assistant coach Pat Burns.  Burns left the NHL in 2005 after a cancer diagnosis, but he's healthy again and showing the fire that drove him to three Jack Adams trophies and a Cup with the New Jersey Devils.  While it is rumored that Burns could be seeking another head coaching job in the big league, he's still employed by the Devils and may not want to leave.  

And let's not forget both Bob Hartley and Marc Crawford.  Hartley is currently unemployed but rumored to be talking to Ottawa.  Crawford's days in Los Angeles are surely numbered by now, even though you can't be expected to win many games when you have a junk lineup.  Considering Avalanche GM Francois Giguere's recent bout of nostalgia (see: Forsberg and Foote), it wouldn't be outlandish to suggest he'd try to bring back either of the two Cup-winning, former Colorado bench bosses.  

There is no doubt that Giguere would interview any of these individuals (and others) if Joel Quenneville were to depart from Denver.  But that's still a big IF, and not all the possible candidates are currently job hunting.  

Who would you prefer?  Did I leave out somebody particularly noteworthy?

ADDENDUM: It's a landslide.  The vast majority of respondents to Adrian Dater's call for a vote on Coach Q have chosen "nay."  So I guess Sandy Clough has a lot more people to dismiss and shit on.  Unfortunately for him, they all probably used to listen to his radio show.  His advertisers are going to be pissed.

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Crawford?

shudder

I could really handle anyone on that list but Crawford.  Tortorella is probably the most intriguing to me even though he is, as you say, completely insane.

by David Driscoll-Carignan on May 6, 2008 6:54 AM MDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Crawford?

Agreed. I am ready for coach Q to move on to other interests. Anyone on that list can hop along for our ride except Crawford. His part in the Bertuzzi incident is enough for me to hate him. What do you guys think our chances are for keeping Brunnette? What about other free agent this off season?

Lisserman

by lissd02 on May 6, 2008 6:58 AM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Crawford?

I'll be posting at length about free agents in June as the free agency period gets going on July 1st.

by Joe @ MHH on May 6, 2008 8:24 AM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No way

given Crawford's involvement in the Bertuzzi incident (which may or may not have even happened, based upon Vancouver sports writers articles), there is no way the Avs bring him back.... alot of the more casual fans (and some of the diehards) would abandon ship entirely.

by jd21 on May 6, 2008 8:38 AM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd rather have Crawford...

...than Idiot or Granato.

Rest assured though, Crawford left Colorado on bad terms. I can't imagine a scenario where he'd come back or where the Avs would want him back.

by Neptune on May 6, 2008 7:54 AM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A big "no" on Crawford

After I read Blood Feud and his the exact words of his famous exchange with Bowman between the benches I'm utterly convinced that Crawford is legally insane.

Hartley on the other hand would be a welcome change.  I think we now know how bad that Altanta team really was once he left.

by Dario on May 6, 2008 9:01 AM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Crawford may be insane...

...but at least he wants to win.

Can't say that for Idiot.

by Neptune on May 6, 2008 2:29 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Here's a point I'd like to make

Why are we limiting the list of potentials to guys with an NHL resume?  Didn't Coach Boudreau in Washington prove that the old boys club of coaching in the NHL kept him in the minors for too long when he obviously had the skills to coach in the Show?  Didn't Hartley have some success at the  minor league level when the Avs bootstrapped him up to the NHL?  Surely there are some quality coaches toiling in the minors because whenever a job opens up in the big league, the GM immediately short list the 4 or 5 guys that aren't working at the time.  It's like there's a pool of about 36 NHL coaches and everytime somebody is fired, they dip back into the same pool...

by Mike @ MHH on May 6, 2008 8:10 AM MDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Here's a point...

That's why I asked for suggestions.  Know of any minor league coaches specifically that could be in the running for a promotion?

Patrick Roy notwithstanding...

by Joe @ MHH on May 6, 2008 8:23 AM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Minor League

I think this is where the best coaches are. I'd rather take a chance on one of those guys than hire another retread NHL lifer. I'd give a big fat no on Torterella, even if it would be entertaining as hell.

by Jibblescribbits on May 6, 2008 9:13 AM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Point cont'd...

Here's a quick rundown of Calder and Kelly Cup coaches in the last 10 years:

Calder winners:

Don Lever Hershey Bears
Bruce Boudreau Milwaukee Admirals
John Stevens Chicago Wolves
Claude Noel W-B/Scranton Penguins
Todd McLellan Hamilton Bulldogs
John Anderson Bridgeport Sound Tigers
Jim Playfair W-B/Scranton Penguins
John Paddock Rochester Americans
Peter Laviolette Rochester Americans
Bill Barber Saint John Flames

Kelly winners:

Derek Laxdal Idaho Steelheads
Davis Payne Alaska Aces
Mike Haviland Trenton Titans
John Olver Idaho Steelheads
Mike Haviland AC Boardwalk Bullies
John Marks Greenville Grrrowl
Rick Adduono South Carolina Stingrays
Don Granato Peoria Rivermen
Bruce Boudreau Mississippi Seawolves
John Brophy Hampton Roads Admirals

A few of those guys have moved on to NHL jobs, like Boudreau, Playfair, Laviolette, and Stephens. Noel is an assistant at Columbus, McLellan in Detroit (so HE's off the list), Paddock was just fired from Ottawa this season, and Barber has a front office job with the Lightning.

Haviland is head coach for the Ice Hogs, Laxdal is still in Idaho, Payne is an assistant in Peoria, Olver is GM for Iowa, Marks is the head coach in Pensacola, Adduono was in Iserlohn, Germany last season as head coach, Don Granato did a stint as an assistant with the Blues a couple of years ago, and Brophy is retired.

From this list, I'd interview Haviland, Laxdal, and definately Paddock.

 

by Mike @ MHH on May 6, 2008 9:26 AM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wait

Why is McLellan off the list. Detroit has had tremendous success, let's hire their assistant away.

by Jibblescribbits on May 6, 2008 9:44 AM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Come on Jibbles

Hensick passed the traitor test, but do you really think someone brainwashed by the RW higher-up wouldn't bench Theo and play Wall in a WCF matchup against Detroit next year after 'accidentally' breaking Super Joe's hip in a convenient training room mishap, and ordering Leoprone to lay off the vitamins?

Think man, THINK!!

by Mike @ MHH on May 6, 2008 10:04 AM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Point

I'm now trying to figure out how in the world Bruce Boudreau's success in Washington this season took everybody by surprise.  He's won the Kelly and the Calder.

I guess I should pay more attention to the minor leagues.

by Joe @ MHH on May 6, 2008 10:01 AM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It didn't surprise me

I mean, anyone who can win a championship with the Mississippi SeaWolves (my first, local minor-league team) HAS to have skilz that killz.

(too far with that last bit?  Yeah, I thought so...)

by Mike @ MHH on May 6, 2008 10:06 AM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not the minors, but...

...one guy who has had a ton of success, has the mentality we need, and has ties to the organization is Dale Hunter.

Please oh please, if we can't get Burns or Tortilleria, can we please have Hunter?

by Neptune on May 6, 2008 2:32 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cunneyworth

If Q is let go, I don't want a retread.  Look for a hungry AHL coach; Randy Cunnyworth would be a good choice.  Rochester's talent was stripped due to all the departures in Buffalo, but he's a guy that's looking for a chance.

As for Roy, love the man, but wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole.  If you thought he was a hot head as a goalie, you should see some of his act since he's been behind the bench for the Remparts.  I know he has a Mem Cup under his belt, but he's still too much of a risk at this point.

by Angélique C. Murray on May 6, 2008 3:44 PM MDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I love The Onion

This may as well be ESPN's current level of hockey coverage:

Ovechkin heading to NFL

by Bob in Boulder on May 6, 2008 5:26 PM MDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hehe

That was pretty funny.  I say no Q, NO Crawford.  Gawd I hate Crawford.  Not for any educated reason, mind you, I just hate him.  I think at this point, Granato is part of the problem, not the solution.  The last thing we need is a Ron Wilson coach to come in and demoralize the players even more than they are.  I vote for a minor league coach or Hartley.  At least the Avs showed up, played, and won titles year after year with Hartley, although he may have lost the locker room at some point.

by texacogirl on May 6, 2008 5:59 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Breaking Rumors from AD about Q

All just speculation, putting 1+1 together and getting 3, but still a few interesting tidbits in AD's latest blog, if net nanny will keep my post around:

Q to Toronto?

by Bob in Boulder on May 7, 2008 2:31 PM MDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i do believe

this is the best news I've had all day!

by thedoctor on May 7, 2008 2:50 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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