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Coach Q Keeps Losing Rooms

When a coach loses the respect of his players and they start tuning him out, willfully ignoring his commands and decisions, it is said that he has "lost the room."  Well, Coach Q lost the biggest room of all a while back when he lost the respect of the fans.  But it's becoming more clear that Q lost the players, too.

Even though Ralph Routon contends:

Many fans and observers feel Quenneville deserves most of the blame, and it's true the Avs have been postseason underachievers the past three years, never advancing past the second round. But unlike the Nuggets players, whose frustration with Karl is well-documented, the Avs don't appear to hold Quenneville responsible.

Really?  It's already been noted (twice) that Andrew Brunette is no fan of Quenneville and will probably not be offered a new contract by the Avalanche if they retain Coach Q, but now Dater confirms that it was more than just one guy:

"Desire to compete" is a thing tough to prove, and I don’t think this team lacked that. But, again, the constant switching up of personnel is something the fans - and some players, I can assure you - had ringing in my ears all year.

So it wasn't just Brunette that was frustrated by the lack of team chemistry caused by Quenneville's bizarre punishment and reward system of line changes.  You would have to assume that there was a lot of grumbling in the locker room, just as there was grumbling among the fans.  Anyone who has ever played or even just watched hockey for any extended amount of time knows the importance of team chemistry and how consistency fosters it and inconsistency weakens it.  Those of us who complained about frequent changes didn't have to be in the Avalanche lineup to know they weren't helping anyone.  

Not that we didn't take some serious heat for those observations (which are now proven to have been quite accurate and insightful).

If you'll remember back to late February, a certain Denver radio host had this to say about our concerns:

Again, you have to come with something beyond saying that the coach is incompetent because he changes lines during games, but our standards aren't terribly high.

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As to the line-juggling, tell me how that could conceivably affect the power play or penalty kill units?  It would only have an impact in even-strenth, five-on-five situations, wouldn't it?  An area in which the Avs have won the most favorable working margins across the entire league.  I understand that this kind of analysis is rarely practiced by the "elite bloggers" because it requires the application of fairness, intelligence, and knowledge.  None of which they have in abundance.

Ouch.  That would have hurt a lot more if it hadn't been so ridiculously wrong.  If something negatively affects the ability of the players on the ice to win games, it's important, and I think we can all rest assured that we had it right from the start.  The players---we now know---agreed with us, and that's all that matters.  Nobody but the players can win a game.

With the opening in Toronto, the obvious lack of loyalty among the players, and the painful sweep at the hands of the Red Wings, I'm really starting to doubt that Joel Quenneville will be back next season behind the Avalanche bench.  Francois Giguere, the Avs' GM, is probably still pondering his options, but I'd imagine the Reign Of The 'Stache is just about over in Denver.

I named a few possible replacements in a recent post, but Mark Kiszla (sorry guys) offers a couple more:

Kevin Dineen, a former NHL player from a strong hockey family, has been touted as a man ready to make his mark as a coach. Grassroots supporters would shout it's time to see if George Gwozdecky could transfer his huge success at the University of Denver to the pro ranks.

I guess we'll find out before long.

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is a widget in the upper fight hand corner titled "Coach Q Watch!" to keep us abreast of all the Q-related speculation and hope.

by Mike @ MHH on May 8, 2008 7:59 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Gwozdecky & Dineen

I know little to nothing about them, but if they are suggestions from Kiszla, I am starting in the "no" camp.

I don't know how college hockey coaches have faired in the pro's but almost universally across other sports college coaches fail in the pro's. (I don't know about baseball managers either). It has little to do with knowledge of the sport and more to do with the difference between college kids and professionals, and how you can treat them as players.

by Jibblescribbits on May 8, 2008 9:53 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Gwozdecky...

Two recent local examples: Rick Pitino and Bobby Petrino.

Rick was ace in Kentucky when he left for the Celtics, and then found out how hard it is to coach a bunch of jerks who have no incentive to improve their game.  That and the fact that nobody plays defense in the NBA just didn't work for a defensive genius like him.  He left quickly and now is ace in Louisville.

Bobby was ace at Louisville and jetted for the Falcons, where he quickly found out that pro football players are a giant pain in the ass and you pretty much can't coach them if you're not a truly sick bastard.  So now he's in the SEC with Arkansas.

I wonder, though, if hockey is different.  A lot of the distractions and attitudes that hurt the NBA and NFL don't exist in the NHL, and hockey players are universally known for their reserved, all-for-one-and-one-for-all mindsets.  There are exceptions, of course, but I have a feeling a college hockey coach would have the least traumatic transition to the pros than a coach in one of the other "big four" sports.

by Joe Dunman on May 8, 2008 10:29 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another example

I don't think God could make the Nuggets play defense, push the tempo, move on offense, and pass the ball.  Let alone some college coach.

by Bob in Boulder on May 8, 2008 10:37 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not in this case

Hockey is different. But College coaches use motivation techniques like "Play well or I'll pull your scholarship". they are totalitarian. College athletes have no real say in anything.

The only way I could see college hockey coaches as different is because college hockey players can say "screw you I'll just join the minors" so the college coach doesn't wield the same amount of power as a college basketball or football coach over a kids life.

Still i just don't see it as enough of a difference to translate well.

by Jibblescribbits on May 8, 2008 10:49 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Please.

Please, don't hire some local college schmuck just to appease Denver fans. I want to see the coach with the best possible chance of motivating and guiding this team given the job, not some schmuck whose name is only being mentioned because he's known locally.

The Forsberg and Foote acquisitions were made mainly to appease fans and sell tickets, but at least those guys had proven to be amongst the best at their craft. The DU and CC coaches are okay for their competition, but there are nearly a dozen leagues at a higher level of competition from which to pull coaches (NHL, AHL, ECHL, WHL, OHL, QMJHL, SEL, RHL, FNL, etc.)

by Neptune on May 8, 2008 10:59 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Dineen

I forgot about Kevin as a potential candidate.  He does have local ties; two years at DU in the early 80s.  Gwozdecky is more suited to coach the college game imo.

by Angélique C. Murray on May 8, 2008 4:11 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

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